The Biblical Contradiction Thread

[Brownie]

Rose is right about Jewish interpretation, Jews always say, ''Where there are two Jews there will be three opinions'', hence the myriad of sects and sects within sects.  No one way is the 'right' way, they have different approaches, most of which are considered to be valid.  Very healthy, we can learn a lot from them.

[Shaker]

Rose is right about Jewish interpretation, Jews always say, ''Where there are two Jews there will be three opinions'', hence the myriad of sects and sects within sects.  No one way is the 'right' way, they have different approaches, most of which are considered to be valid.  Very healthy, we can learn a lot from them.

You wouldn't hear any Orthodox Jew saying that for a start - they're very definitely of the "We're right; the rest of you are wrong" camp because they see themselves and only themselves as being true to Torah.

[Khatru]

You wouldn't hear any Orthodox Jew saying that for a start - they're very definitely of the "We're right; the rest of you are wrong" camp because they see themselves and only themselves as being true to Torah.

They're the superstitious types who want nothing to with women.

Their particular ju-ju necessitates avoiding contact with women at all costs.  Right down to refusing to sit next to a woman and even deleting pictures of female world leaders from their newspapers.

[jeremyp]

Do you think the disciples wrote all the same things in the same order as they were remembered?

So you are not denying there is a contradiction but you are explaining it on the grounds that one of the authors got it wrong.

[Bubbles]

You wouldn't hear any Orthodox Jew saying that for a start - they're very definitely of the "We're right; the rest of you are wrong" camp because they see themselves and only themselves as being true to Torah.

Yes you would, and they are often tolerant of different groups who are stricter.


http://www.torah.org/features/spirfocus/tolerance.html#


https://www.ou.org/torah/parsha/rabbi-weinreb-on-parsha/rabbi-weinrebs-parsha-column-korach-two-jews-three-opinions/

[Bubbles]

They're the superstitious types who want nothing to with women.

Their particular ju-ju necessitates avoiding contact with women at all costs.  Right down to refusing to sit next to a woman and even deleting pictures of female world leaders from their newspapers.

No they are not.

Most Orthodox Jews have no issue with women in newspapers and I've sat next to one.

I think you are spreading misinformation.

[Bubbles]

Rose is right about Jewish interpretation, Jews always say, ''Where there are two Jews there will be three opinions'', hence the myriad of sects and sects within sects.  No one way is the 'right' way, they have different approaches, most of which are considered to be valid.  Very healthy, we can learn a lot from them.

Yes, and my experience is that they are mindful of the different approaches between the Sephardic and the Ashkanazi, so they often specify what rules the kitchens are set up for, so not to upset anyone who follows different criteria.

( the two groups are slightly different)

Sometimes a particular Jew might belong to a different group and may have personally taken on further adherence.

What happens in my experience is the other Orthodox Jews accommodate where possible.

 

[Khatru]

No they are not.

Most Orthodox Jews have no issue with women in newspapers and I've sat next to one.

I think you are spreading misinformation.

My mistake. I just checked and it turns out I was thinking about ultra-Orthodox Jews.

Ultra-orthodox Jewish newspaper edits Angela Merkel out of Paris solidarity march photograph

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ultra-orthodox-jewish-newspaper-edits-angela-merkel-out-of-paris-solidarity-march-photograph-9975364.html

Groups of ultra-Orthodox Jewish men keep delaying flights by refusing to sit next to women

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/groups-of-ultra-orthodox-jewish-men-keep-delaying-flights-by-refusing-to-sit-next-to-women-9949866.html

[Shaker]

That's what I was thinking of too - such as the ... individual who presided over the funeral of a family friend a few years ago, shook hands with all the men present and refused to shake the hand of the grieving widow.

[Bubbles]

My mistake. I just checked and it turns out I was thinking about ultra-Orthodox Jews.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ultra-orthodox-jewish-newspaper-edits-angela-merkel-out-of-paris-solidarity-march-photograph-9975364.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/groups-of-ultra-orthodox-jewish-men-keep-delaying-flights-by-refusing-to-sit-next-to-women-9949866.html

 

Yes, those are the ones you generally hear about.

On the whole they don't mix much.

 

[Bubbles]

That's what I was thinking of too - such as the ... individual who presided over the funeral of a family friend a few years ago, shook hands with all the men present and refused to shake the hand of the grieving widow.

Hopefully he spoke respectfully to her instead?

I have met one ultra orthodox rabbi who I was warned wouldn't shake hands, but he did talk to me politely and got his young daughter to take me under her wing, while I was at the synagogue.

I've shaken hands with a conservative Rabbi.

I usually wait until a hand is offered and if not just acknowledge them politely.

You can find yourself treated differently because you are a women at biking events ( as in MC clubs).

Some bikers shake hands with women, others ignore women altogether.

I tend to nod politely at both events 

Some women do get upset about it, but life is too short IMO.

[Sassy]

There is absolutely no evidence the guy did any of the things claimed for him!

Till you can prove it... you should remain quiet. Millions disagree with you. But that should not be a surprise...

[Sassy]

Hopefully he spoke respectfully to her instead?

I have met one ultra orthodox rabbi who I was warned wouldn't shake hands, but he did talk to me politely and got his young daughter to take me under her wing, while I was at the synagogue.

I've shaken hands with a conservative Rabbi.

I usually wait until a hand is offered and if not just acknowledge them politely.

You can find yourself treated differently because you are a women at biking events ( as in MC clubs).

Some bikers shake hands with women, others ignore women altogether.

I tend to nod politely at both events 

Some women do get upset about it, but life is too short IMO.

Just remember not to offer them your pump if they forget theirs and have a flat tyre. LOL!

It is rather silly isn't it.

[Shaker]

Till you can prove it... you should remain quiet. Millions disagree with you. But that should not be a surprise...

Negative proof fallacy and argumentum ad populum -  a veritable twofer of fallacies.

[Sebastian Toe]

Till you can prove it... you should remain quiet. Millions disagree with you. But that should not be a surprise...

That's keeper.......

[Brownie]

You wouldn't hear any Orthodox Jew saying that for a start - they're very definitely of the "We're right; the rest of you are wrong" camp because they see themselves and only themselves as being true to Torah.

Shaker there are many Orthodox sects and their beliefs vary quite a bit.  Some Orthodox believe in Heaven, others don't.  Lubavichers believe their Moshiach to have come in the form of the Rebbe Menaḥem Mendel Schneersohn, no-one else does.  The Haredi, who are similar, do not believe the same.  There are subdivisons within each of those communities - and several other Orthodox communities.  They all believe they are true to the Torah but they are united as Jews.

[Brownie]

They're the superstitious types who want nothing to with women.

Their particular ju-ju necessitates avoiding contact with women at all costs.  Right down to refusing to sit next to a woman and even deleting pictures of female world leaders from their newspapers.

Not at all and Jewish women are extremely powerful across the board.

[floo]

Till you can prove it... you should remain quiet. Millions disagree with you. But that should not be a surprise...

And millions don't see it your way  either, maybe you should shut up!

[Brownie]

Addendum:  Regarding the shaking of women's hands, or not, that would be a custom of an individual group or sect but does not mean women are considered to be in any way inferior.  Viva la difference!

[Leonard James]

And millions don't see it your way  either, maybe you should shut up!

Hear, hear! 

[Bubbles]

Not at all and Jewish women are extremely powerful across the board.

Yes they are.

  🌹

[Sassy]

Negative proof fallacy and argumentum ad populum -  a veritable twofer of fallacies.

Have any of the scholars found the historians who wrote about Christ to be proven wrong?

There is absolutely no evidence the guy did any of the things claimed for him!

Floo wrote this and my answer was correct

Till you can prove it... you should remain quiet. Millions disagree with you. But that should not be a surprise...

You saying you few here and in general know more that the Millions? If you could prove anything about Christ false then we would not be here would we discussing him and Christianity?

There are different types of evidence and one might be forgiven for your ignorance that Millions of believers receiving miracles today are not evidence. But the fact remains those miracles happen in the name of Jesus to the Glory of God. There is no escaping that evidence. Truth is you don't go seek out because you cannot live with that truth. It turns what you say on it's head.

[Sassy]

And millions don't see it your way  either, maybe you should shut up!

I know what I am talking about... you don't.  So I can speak about Christ but you don't know enough to make the decision about actual proof. You never looked for any and don't understand the bible, Christ or God.

[Sassy]

Hear, hear! 

Are you asking for the ability to hear or just admitting you can't?
Your hearing is like your truth...selective.

[Shaker]

Have any of the scholars found the historians who wrote about Christ to be proven wrong?

Simply repeating the negative proof fallacy doesn't make it not-a-fallacy; it does however indicate that you don't know what it is.