The Biblical Contradiction Thread

[Leonard James]

Are you asking for the ability to hear or just admitting you can't?
Your hearing is like your truth...selective.

It was just a request to you to hear what was being said, dearie. Unfortunately on this subject you are stone deaf.

[floo]

Sass is the fount of all knowledge, in her mind only!

[Leonard James]

Sass is the fount of all knowledge, in her mind only!

Indeed she is in her own eyes. Unfortunately most of what she considers knowledge is bullshit.

[jjohnjil]

Indeed she is in her own eyes. Unfortunately most of what she considers knowledge is bullshit.

Sassy knows  much more about the Bible and Christianity than I do ... but then again, my old friend Danny knows a lot more than me about Star Trek and Mr Spock.  What they don't seem to realise is that both are the product of fiction writers who have far fetched ideas and both are full of bullshit.   

[Leonard James]

Sassy knows  much more about the Bible and Christianity than I do ... but then again, my old friend Danny knows a lot more than me about Star Trek and Mr Spock.  What they don't seem to realise is that both are the product of fiction writers who have far fetched ideas and both are full of bullshit.

A truth as big as a mountain! 

[Spud]

There is absolutely no evidence the guy did any of the things claimed for him!

Much of what is recorded about Jesus' life fulfills prophecy, which is how we know it's true.

[Shaker]

Much of what is recorded about Jesus' life fulfills prophecy, which is how we know it's true.

No it doesn't.

What you're describing is a process known as retrofitting, with a whole lot of confirmation bias thrown in.

[Spud]

No it doesn't.

What you're describing is a process known as retrofitting, with a whole lot of confirmation bias thrown in.

In your opinion, Zippy. 

[Shaker]

In your opinion, Zippy. 

It's not exactly merely opinion that people retrofit obscure and ambiguous texts to make them mean what they have a prior desire for them to mean, aided and abetted by a highly selective technique of concentrating on the allegedly supportive hits and ignoring the misses.

[Gordon]

Much of what is recorded about Jesus' life fulfills prophecy, which is how we know it's true.

Spud

Beyond logical or lucky guesses, 'prophecy' is yet more superstitious nonsense - unless of course you can describe how it works via a methodology which we can then use to test some predictions: then, of course, in relation to the Christian stuff, we have to take into account the problems of translation and 'interpretation'.

Therefore, these prophetic claims show nothing to be 'true', especially since the bits we've seen mentioned in threads as being confirmation of prophecies being fulfilled are indistinguishable from fiction: so I'd say that only the hopelessly gullible who are suckers for fallacies would be persuaded by 'prophecy'.

[jjohnjil]

Spud

Beyond logical or lucky guesses, 'prophecy' is yet more superstitious nonsense - unless of course you can describe how it works via a methodology which we can then use to test some predictions: then, of course, in relation to the Christian stuff, we have to take into account the problems of translation and 'interpretation'.

Therefore, these prophetic claims show nothing to be 'true', especially since the bits we've seen mentioned in threads as being confirmation of prophecies being fulfilled are indistinguishable from fiction: so I'd say that only the hopelessly gullible who are suckers for fallacies would be persuaded by 'prophecy'.

Would you be suggesting anyone, Mr Gordon?

Spud, Spud & Bakedbeans.  Solicitors at Law

[floo]

Much of what is recorded about Jesus' life fulfills prophecy, which is how we know it's true.

More likely the gospel writers created the life of Jesus around those so called prophesies. Even his own family didn't see the guy as any sort of Messiah, as well as most of the Jews!

[Brownie]

Mary and Joseph did, according the Scriptures, floo.  They couldn't have known exactly how it would all pan out but they knew He was sacred.  Of course if anyone doesn't believe the Scriptures are God-breathed, what I have said will mean nothing to them, but Christians certainly think that Jesus's immediate family, his aunt, Elizabeth and cousin John the Baptist were in the know.

[Hope]

Even his own family didn't see the guy as any sort of Messiah, ...

His mother did, and his brother, James, became an important leader in one paert of the early church - so must have regarded him as something 'out of the ordinary'.

[Hope]

Therefore, these prophetic claims show nothing to be 'true', especially since the bits we've seen mentioned in threads as being confirmation of prophecies being fulfilled are indistinguishable from fiction: so I'd say that only the hopelessly gullible who are suckers for fallacies would be persuaded by 'prophecy'.

Is this why you don't believe in 'prophetic' references to scientific discoveries made 50 or more years before the event?

[Hope]

Unfortunately most of what she considers knowledge is bullshit.

D.Y.H.A.E.F.T.A?

[Hope]

No it doesn't.

What you're describing is a process known as retrofitting, with a whole lot of confirmation bias thrown in.

Shakes, you're entitled to your own opinion, but then 'opinion' holds limited clout.

[Shaker]

Shakes, you're entitled to your own opinion, but then 'opinion' holds limited clout.

Feel free to pick any of these alleged prophecies and demonstrate it/them to be such.

[Nearly Sane]

Is this why you don't believe in 'prophetic' references to scientific discoveries made 50 or more years before the event?

Why are you using two different meanings of a word to lie about Gordon's opinion?

[Gordon]

Is this why you don't believe in 'prophetic' references to scientific discoveries made 50 or more years before the event?

Be careful with all that straw.

Scientists would tend to extrapolate from the current evidence or theory, which is how new theories and hypotheses are developed, tested using relevant methods and refined or rejected:of course they may be wrong, but then they acknowledge this possibility.

This seems very different from what Spud is alluding to.

[Dicky Underpants]

Mary and Joseph did, according the Scriptures, floo.  They couldn't have known exactly how it would all pan out but they knew He was sacred.

According to the scriptures, they seem have completely forgotten the astonishing events which attended Mary's conception and Jesus' birth. The amnesia seems to have set in before his presentation at the Temple, and then later in his ministry when his family truly considered him to be unhinged. That's quite a downward trend from believing him to be "the Son of the Highest", conceived of the Holy Spirit.

[Nearly Sane]

Be careful with all that straw.

Scientists would tend to extrapolate from the current evidence or theory, which is how new theories and hypotheses are developed, tested using relevant methods and refined or rejected:of course they may be wrong, but then they acknowledge this possibility.

This seems very different from what Spud is alluding to.

So different that Hope effectively headlined his lying here by putting prophetic in commas. There was a tiny sliver of him desperately trying to distance itself from yet another lie.

[Hope]

According to the scriptures, they seem have completely forgotten the astonishing events which attended Mary's conception and Jesus' birth. The amnesia seems to have set in before his presentation at the Temple, and then later in his ministry when his family truly considered him to be unhinged. That's quite a downward trend from believing him to be "the Son of the Highest", conceived of the Holy Spirit.

Yet, the information we have is that Mary, his mother, seemed to hold those early events close to her heart.  Furthermore, many parents of even the most gifted try to give their children as normal a childhood as they can (I know that this isn't a universal attitude, though).  It doesn't mean that they have 'forgotten' what that child is capable of.

[Hope]

So different that Hope effectively headlined his lying here by putting prophetic in commas. There was a tiny sliver of him desperately trying to distance itself from yet another lie.

Yet there are discoveries that have occurred over the years which, when researched, are found to have been prophesied by long-dead peole - be that Leonardo de Vinci or Einstein.  Even the scientific community will sometimes refer to the original references as prophetic

[Nearly Sane]

Yet there are discoveries that have occurred over the years which, when researched, are found to have been prophesied by long-dead peole - be that Leonardo de Vinci or Einstein.  Even the scientific community will sometimes refer to the original references as prophetic

Which is a different use of the word, and that's known by you hence the use of quotation marks when you replied to Gordon. Stop this lying!