You've already claimed this on the Ole Miss thread.
Are you going to dodge questions about what these supposedly scientific arguments are here, or over there?
I made no reference to political parties and their stance on homosexual relationships on the 'Ole Miss' thread Shakes:
: Shaker on April 07, 2016, 05:47:49 PM
Non-religious homophobia really is a puzzle, since the non-religious (unlike the religious) don't even have the pseudo-excuse of so-called sacred scripture to hide behind.
They don't need to, Shaker - they use scientific and other objective arguments, which many religious people use as well.
As you may have noticed, I have not been on the boards that much the last few days. This is partly because I have started a new part-time (3 days a week @ 8 hours a day) job which - after nigh-on 9 years of unemployment and a year of ill-health - and I have had other things to attend to when I get home, all of which has left me fairly tired by the end of the day.
Regarding the science - stats suggest that the percentage of gay couples getting divorced is about the same as heterosexual couples.
About 1% of the total number of currently-married or registered same-sex couples get divorced each year, in comparison to about 2% of the total number of married straight couples. Note that the percentage of couples that get divorced eventually is close to 50%, but only 1% or 2% of them get divorced in any particular year. ...
Third, the divorce rate is lower for same-sex couples than straight couples. It would be wonderful to proclaim that this shows that gay folks are more committed to their marriages than straight folks — and given the recent rash of near instantaneous divorces (think Kardashian) this wouldn’t seem that crazy. However, I suspect that this can be attributed to the types of couples getting married in these early years of same-sex marriage, and not a testament to the stability of lesbian and gay relationships. There’s no statistical data out yet on this particular dynamic, but in my experience as a lawyer working with same-sex couples, the partners getting married tend to be those who have already been together for some time. They already have weathered the stormy middle years of coupledom, and they are consciously committed to being a family. For that reason, we should not be surprised that they are not rushing to get divorced so quickly. Of course, there are a fair number of such couples whose relationships don’t last, but on the whole it’s a rather select group. Think about it — the couples with shakier relationships are not likely to travel across state lines to get married — and there certainly aren’t any “shotgun” marriages in the gay community!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frederick-hertz/divorce-marriage-rates-fo_b_1085024.htmlWe are often told that gay marriages are more stable than heterosexual ones - but as the writer of this report points out, that is currently based on the fact that most gay couples getting married have been co-habiting for many years already.
Gay and lesbians who view the legalization of same sex marriage as the answer to all their relationship problems would do well to take a serious look at the shocking statistics on gay and lesbian infidelity.
Infidelity in one form or another, now affects close to 80% of all marriages or committed relationships today, regardless of sexual orientation.
Gay and lesbian couples are not immune – in fact, based on the statics and research below, same sex couples may be more susceptible to infidelity than heterosexual couples. ...
Precisely accurate infidelity statistics are hard to come by, since not all infidelity studies, polls, and surveys are measuring the same things. ...
Statistics on infidelity among same sex couples are even more difficult to come by, because most infidelity studies do not include lesbians and gays.
However, there at least four studies from which to cite.
Study #1
The book Sex in America: A Definitive Survey, by authors Michael, Gagnon, Laumann, and Kolata, cites a study of homosexual male couples conducted by gay researchers.
The couples who participated had been together between 1 and 37 years.
Findings were as follows:
100% (all) of the couples experienced infidelity in their relationship within the first 5 years. (a proportion that is not reflected in heterosexual couples - ed)
Couples who remained together past the 10-year mark were able to do so only by accepting the painful reality of infidelity in their relationship
More than 85 percent of the couples reported that their greatest relationship problems center on issues related to outside relationships
NOTE: Data from the Gay/Lesbian Consumer Online Census shows that only 29% of gay/lesbian relationships last more than 7 years.
http://www.examiner.com/article/same-sex-marriage-alert-shocking-statistics-on-gay-and-lesbian-infidelity (I haven't referred to the other 3 studies mentioned, only the last of which suggests that things are improving).
The article also points out that
Same Sex Couples Should Educate Themselves about Infidelity
Despite the recent decrease in infidelity among gay and lesbian couples, it obvious from the statistics above that same sex couples, especially gay males, are particularly susceptible to infidelity.
Given the strong likelihood that most gay and lesbian couples, are likely to have to deal with the issue of infidelity at some point in their relationship, whether they are in same sex marriages or not, they would do well to educate themselves about infidelity.
I'm also aware that this last item dates from 2012, whereas the first was updated in 2014, but I believe that the figures are still worrying for those who support gay relationships. That is not to say that the heterosexual picture is rosy - it isn't - but that doesn't mean that the gay option is necessarily correct.
A consistent finding is that gay men differ from both lesbian and heterosexual couples in their attitudes and behavior about sexual exclusiveness. Data from the large American Couples study conducted by Philip Blumstein and Pepper Schwartz are illustrative. Only 36 percent of gay men said it was important to them to have a sexually monogamous relationship, compared with 71 percent of lesbians, 75 percent of heterosexual husbands, and 84 percent, of wives. In actual behavior, only a minority of lesbians (28 percent), husbands (26 percent), and wives (21 percent) had engaged in sex outside their primary relationship, compared with 82 percent of gay men. Sexual fidelity is positively related to relationship satisfaction for lesbian and heterosexual couples, but not for gay male couples. One reason is that some gay male couples have agreements permitting sex outside their primary relationship.
http://bit.ly/1Ynq1paNone of the articles I've referred to are all bad news - but I believe that the issues I've highlighted are of concern - as they would be/are within the heterosexual community.
