The dark side of human nature

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Yes.

Some Kind is a sophisticated Bonobo..........Nice chap but don't get too close when you meet him for the first time.

[Sassy]

Yoiu couldn't recognise a fact if it hit you squarely between the eyes!

I guess I am more honest than you... You have no facts in this argument and have no independent proof of what you claim.
But even a dummy would not put themselves in the same class of the animals when they are caretakers.
Nothing in comparison of life on this planet even suggests we are the same as animals.
We grow our own food and feed the animals. If we were animals we would have died out by now along with the animals.
We have been caretakers of this planet since God created it, and us. The intelligent amongst us, do not need to be educated as to why we are not animals.

[Sassy]

Wrong.

http://animaldiversity.org/accounts/Homo_sapiens/classification/
http://www.learner.org/courses/essential/life/session2/closer4.html
http://www.biocab.org/Homo_sapiens_Class.html
http://anthro.palomar.edu/animal/table_humans.htm
http://eol.org/pages/327955/names?all=1
http://www.uniprot.org/taxonomy/9606

There all OPINIONS but the FACTS show we are not animals.
If animals all would be dead by now. The truth is life of animals did not come from the same place as humans.

God breathed the life into human beings. A big difference. And all the above have absolutely NOTHING that has evidence or proof we are animals. See they are men too. But you claim to be animal because you don't want to admit there is a God.
But clearly we are not animals....

Just in case googled something to show we can find anything we want on the internet.


http://archive.larouchepac.com/node/31972

Truth is, and always will be, Mankind is Mankind and Animals are just Animals.

http://archive.larouchepac.com/node/31972

[Sassy]

La Sass - I've never seen any of those but I have to say, I did once have a cat that did impersonations.  No lie.

Did they go to work or did they talk about the future with you?
I would never insult God by calling him a liar or lumping his creation together. Like saying a tree is an animal or venus flytrap.

Doesn't work.

[Aruntraveller]

Sass.

Animals can and do survive in the wild without input from the human animal. In fact there is some sad irony to the fact that the human animal is causing the extinction of other animals.

[torridon]

There all OPINIONS but the FACTS show we are not animals.
If animals all would be dead by now. The truth is life of animals did not come from the same place as humans.

No evidence for such a claim though, therefore this is just a fantasy belief born of psychological needs rather than epistemic truth.  All the evidence suggests we share a common biological ancestry with every other living thing on this planet

[Maeght]

There all OPINIONS but the FACTS show we are not animals.
If animals all would be dead by now. The truth is life of animals did not come from the same place as humans.

God breathed the life into human beings. A big difference. And all the above have absolutely NOTHING that has evidence or proof we are animals. See they are men too. But you claim to be animal because you don't want to admit there is a God.
But clearly we are not animals....

Just in case googled something to show we can find anything we want on the internet.


http://archive.larouchepac.com/node/31972

Truth is, and always will be, Mankind is Mankind and Animals are just Animals.

http://archive.larouchepac.com/node/31972

Clearly to someone like yourself who lives their life according to what the Bible says and sees science as the work of man therefore inferior to the word of God as you consider it, then you won't consider man as animals. There are many intelligent people who do not see it that way however and accept that humans are part of the animal kingdom. Accusing people of ignorance isn't helpful - it is not ignorance but rather that many people do not see the bible as being what you see it to be. Trying to say things like 'if we are animals we'd all be dead by now' makes no sense since many animals exist without human support. Better just to say that the Bible distinguishes between man and animals, I believe the Bible to be totally accurate word of God, so I don't accept that humans are animals.

On a general point it is very difficult for many non-believers to understand the mind set of someone who takes the Bible as being the accurate word of God, and this tends to lead to the often pointless debates on here. I do sometimes see your point Sassy once I try to put myself in to your way of thinking, and can even see why you respond as you do on occasions too. I disagree with you and much of what you post as I have no belief in God and do not take the Bible as my guide - but I do see where you are coming from sometimes.

[Owlswing]

I disagree with you and much of what you post as I have no belief in God and do not take the Bible as my guide - but I do see where you are coming from sometimes.

. . . and I sometimes wish she would go back there P D Q!

[Brownie]

Quote from: Brownie on May 24, 2016, 04:26:46 PM
La Sass - I've never seen any of those but I have to say, I did once have a cat that did impersonations.  No lie.

Did they go to work or did they talk about the future with you?
I would never insult God by calling him a liar or lumping his creation together. Like saying a tree is an animal or venus flytrap.

Doesn't work.

Only just seen this.  Nope, I can assure you my pets did neither of the things you ask  .

[Aruntraveller]

Quote from: Brownie on May 24, 2016, 04:26:46 PM
La Sass - I've never seen any of those but I have to say, I did once have a cat that did impersonations.  No lie.

Only just seen this.  Nope, I can assure you my pets did neither of the things you ask  .

Well there you have it. Cats have more sense than to go out to work

[Rhiannon]

Most felines live with cat slaves to look after them.

Tbey also happen to be psychopaths who plot our death and consumption daily but who are too small to make much headway. Just saying.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/10/31/cat-lion-psychological-traits/74941388/

[Brownie]

If that's true I'd say they are perfectly capable of going out to work and earning a crust.  Why should we have to keep them?

[Owlswing]

If that's true I'd say they are perfectly capable of going out to work and earning a crust.  Why should we have to keep them?

Because they don't like bread?

[Sassy]

Clearly to someone like yourself who lives their life according to what the Bible says and sees science as the work of man therefore inferior to the word of God as you consider it, then you won't consider man as animals. There are many intelligent people who do not see it that way however and accept that humans are part of the animal kingdom.

You are wrong on two accounts. Intelligence has absolutely nothing to do with seeing ourselves not as an animal. .Nor do I see science as inferior to the word of God because Science is a lot of theory and without any proof in regards to God or the bible. In fact scientist are always correcting themselves. A lot of intelligent and Christian scientist do not accept that humans are animals.

There have always been humans and always been animals. None changing or becoming something else.

Accusing people of ignorance isn't helpful - it is not ignorance but rather that many people do not see the bible as being what you see it to be. Trying to say things like 'if we are animals we'd all be dead by now' makes no sense since many animals exist without human support. Better just to say that the Bible distinguishes between man and animals, I believe the Bible to be totally accurate word of God, so I don't accept that humans are animals.

For man to evolve there would have been a lot of mutations needed and the force required to cause them would have destroyed this planet. Man has cultivated the earth without it animals would not have lived. I know animals cannot and never have done what humans do.

Ignorance and pride makes man make the error in his thinking. What type of idiot makes himself the equal of animals. Animals are not aware of their own mortality we are.

On a general point it is very difficult for many non-believers to understand the mind set of someone who takes the Bible as being the accurate word of God, and this tends to lead to the often pointless debates on here. I do sometimes see your point Sassy once I try to put myself in to your way of thinking, and can even see why you respond as you do on occasions too. I disagree with you and much of what you post as I have no belief in God and do not take the Bible as my guide - but I do see where you are coming from sometimes.

Man hasn't produced any evidence. Without God there is absolutely no evidence as to why we exist.

[Leonard James]

You are wrong on two accounts. Intelligence has absolutely nothing to do with seeing ourselves not as an animal. .Nor do I see science as inferior to the word of God because Science is a lot of theory and without any proof in regards to God or the bible. In fact scientist are always correcting themselves. A lot of intelligent and Christian scientist do not accept that humans are animals.

There have always been humans and always been animals. None changing or becoming something else.

For man to evolve there would have been a lot of mutations needed and the force required to cause them would have destroyed this planet. Man has cultivated the earth without it animals would not have lived. I know animals cannot and never have done what humans do.

Ignorance and pride makes man make the error in his thinking. What type of idiot makes himself the equal of animals. Animals are not aware of their own mortality we are.

Man hasn't produced any evidence. Without God there is absolutely no evidence as to why we exist.

Sassy, this is probably the daftest and most juvenile rubbish you have ever posted.

[Brownie]

There were animals on the earth before humans.  Some became extinct (some humans became extinct later on too, Neanderthals), others flourished and are still with us.  They may not have been able to generate electricity, develop medicines or build bridges but they'd have survived quite well, as they did before we came along.

[torridon]

There were animals on the earth before humans.  Some became extinct (some humans became extinct later on too, Neanderthals), others flourished and are still with us.  They may not have been able to generate electricity, develop medicines or build bridges but they'd have survived quite well, as they did before we came along.

Not just some, the vast majority of species that have ever lived have since gone extinct.  Extinction is very much part of the evolutionary process in an ever changing world.

[Brownie]

True.  When will it be our turn I wonder?  (Don't answer that!!!)

[torridon]

Ignorance and pride makes man make the error in his thinking. What type of idiot makes himself the equal of animals.

You've got that the wrong way round.  It is a position of ignorance and pride that elevates Man above other creatures. Conversely, it shows proper humility to be accepting of Man's real place with the broader tree of life, and not as something 'special'.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

You've got that the wrong way round.  It is a position of ignorance and pride that elevates Man above other creatures. Conversely, it shows proper humility to be accepting of Man's real place with the broader tree of life, and not as something 'special'.

Fancy that ........a combination of extreme reductionism with natural mystical piety.

[floo]

(((((Without God there is absolutely no evidence as to why we exist.)))))

Sass, there is no verifiable evidence god exists.

[Brownie]

You've got that the wrong way round.  It is a position of ignorance and pride that elevates Man above other creatures. Conversely, it shows proper humility to be accepting of Man's real place with the broader tree of life, and not as something 'special'.

Fancy that ........a combination of extreme reductionism with natural mystical piety.

I liked it too Vlad, thought it was spot on actually.

[wigginhall]

You've got that the wrong way round.  It is a position of ignorance and pride that elevates Man above other creatures. Conversely, it shows proper humility to be accepting of Man's real place with the broader tree of life, and not as something 'special'.

Very good.  It's hubris, (understandable in a prescientific age), which led humans to see the earth as the centre of the universe, and humans as the natural apex of life.  But we have learned differently.    Ironically, we have also created a new mass extinction, so poor are we at taking care of life. 

[Owlswing]

There is one fact that seems to shiow that humanity is not superior to bacteria,

we rely on bacteria in our gut to prevent us falling foul of more than a few diseases, and, as we are finding to our cost, bacteria and similar microscopic organisms can kill humans far more effectively than humans can kill these microscopic orgaisms.

The common cold anf flu viruses, in all their many varieties, have shown that they can evolve to circumvent our efforts to erdicate them, humans have shown, so far, very limited ability to evolve immunity to those micro-organisms.

[Udayana]

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The common cold anf flu viruses, in all their many varieties, have shown that they can evolve to circumvent our efforts to erdicate them, humans have shown, so far, very limited ability to evolve immunity to those micro-organisms.

We are evolving all the time, but unfortunately the spineless cold and flu viruses aren't killing off the non-immune fast enough for it to be appreciable!