Seek ye first the Kingdom of God.

[SqueakyVoice]

Sass never questions herself, she is always right.

Well let's see you substantiate that... I bet you can't on what is written.

I managed to mangle these two posts together and was just thinking 'Yeah Len! I bet you can't....', when I realised what I'd done.

[Leonard James]

She believes she is right, so do many of us, including yourself Len.

Shakes has already explained the difference, so I won't bother.

[ippy]

Shakes has already explained the difference, so I won't bother.

Sass, I hope the second coming doesn't happen untill after the England v Wales rugby this afternoon.

ippy

[floo]

Sass, I hope the second coming doesn't happen untill after the England v Wales rugby this afternoon.

ippy

OH MEGA YAWN, I hope the second coming occurs before that boredom begins!

[Sassy]

Pitiful excuses and cover ups. What is it, the atheists do best when they cannot answer what was asked...
That's right they insult and move the goal posts. What you have proven is that everything said about yourselves is correct.
When you are on the ropes you cannot produce arguments to defend yourselves.

You cannot hold onto the ropes till the bell goes.
Typical how it takes so many of you to gang up and say absolutely NOTHING useful or in line with the issues raised.
What epic failures we have witnessed when it comes to actually verifying your own claims and accusations...

Thanks Brownie, they have to be smarting at such an epic dismal failure by a gang of atheists.
Numbers do not make something right and they certainly don't hide the epic failing as being unable to justify the claims they make.. We have to smile and yet cannot pretend they don't see it.. The atheists are in the altogether, their altogether naked as the day they were born...

[floo]

Sass, if the day ever come when you say something meaningful, instead of your usual crazy garbage, then maybe us terrible godless folk might take notice!

[ippy]

OH MEGA YAWN, I hope the second coming occurs before that boredom begins!

I've now ordered even more rain Floo, to your already rain sodden homeland especially to the most northerly parts.

I only need to look as though I'm going in a easterly direction, to make all of the taps turn themselves on.

ippy

[floo]

I've now ordered even more rain Floo, to your already rain sodden homeland especially to the most northerly parts.

I only need to look as though I'm going in a easterly direction, to make all of the taps turn themselves on.

ippy

Our bit isn't sodden at all, in fact we have had less rain this winter than usual!

[ippy]

Our bit isn't sodden at all, in fact we have had less rain this winter than usual!

Yeaaa but we've had three times less rain than whatever you say you've had.

Now get out of that if you can.

Regards ippy

[ippy]

Seek ye first the Kingdom of god.

Now how about that for a really long job.

Sass you can live a perfectly good life without all of that fictious nonsense you keep coming out with and do something more usefull as well with all of the time you'll save yourself.

ippy

[Sassy]

Seek ye first the Kingdom of god.

Now how about that for a really long job.

Sass you can live a perfectly good life without all of that fictious nonsense you keep coming out with and do something more usefull as well with all of the time you'll save yourself.

ippy

Good... give your definition of a perfectly good life. Does your life match up to Mother Theresa and her life?
Given your own life and definition of good where does your selflessness match hers?

MT did good by being selfless are you planning to go and live where she lived and do good for selfless reasons?

There is good and their is goodness. But your good has no place in the form of true goodness. Where it is done for benefit of others at the cost of yourself.

Christ... a perfect example of selflessness.. dying for you and for many for their sins. Giving up his life without sin for you.

I think your understanding of living a good life is not the same as the believers living a selfless life for the good of others.
You are comfortable and you need not do anything but for yourself. God is selfless and so is Christ doing good to us even when we do not deserve it.

May be one day you will see that your good is based on things being good for you. The conditions MT lived in and the things she saw was not about herself but about the love and care for others.

You know nothing of the selfless goodness for the benefit of others.

[Rhiannon]

Sass, you know nothing of Ippy's life or that of any of the other people you enjoy attacking here. Fuck knows what you get out of it but your endless bile makes this forum an impossible place to be at times.

[Sassy]

Sass, you know nothing of Ippy's life or that of any of the other people you enjoy attacking here. Fuck knows what you get out of it but your endless bile makes this forum an impossible place to be at times.

 I know you and he are not doing what MT did. Do you have a point or are you just here to try and carry on your pointless attack. That which you blame everyone else but yourself for.
No bile in my post just false accusations by yourself. Are you proud of yourself writing such posts to people who have done you no harm?
My post to Ippy is clear it contains the difference between selfless goodness and the other good where everything is fine as long self is ok.

You have no basis and right to make the false claims you just did. That is the truth.

[Shaker]

Good... give your definition of a perfectly good life. Does your life match up to Mother Theresa and her life?
Given your own life and definition of good where does your selflessness match hers?

MT did good by being selfless are you planning to go and live where she lived and do good for selfless reasons?

It's by now widely acknowledged that the nun of that name had a very far from selfless life. She had a distinctly worrying predilection, for instance, for cosying up to some of the most brutal tyrants and dictators of the day (the Duvalier dynasty and Enver Hoxha amongst them). She enjoyed all the blandishments that the high life could offer. She was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize despite having done nothing discernible for the cause of world peace and used her acceptance speech as a platform for one of her tedious diatribes about abortion. She offered the most meagre of care to the truly suffering and needy - her theology ensured that she was a friend of poverty, not of the poor.

That might be your idea of a selfless hero, but it's not mine.

[ippy]

Sass, you know nothing of Ippy's life or that of any of the other people you enjoy attacking here. Fuck knows what you get out of it but your endless bile makes this forum an impossible place to be at times.

Cheers Rhi, Sass is OK, I think I'm making some progress with, her winding up, her overdone belief syndrome.

Sass you can't get away from Medicene Without Frontiers doing their work in an as near as you can get to pure altrustic reasons, where as M T, was doing her works with the brownie points waiting there in the wings and in the back of her mind, carrot/stick/religion never apart from each other.

Says it all Sass.

ippy

[floo]

There was nothing loving about the way MT withheld pain relief because suffering was good for the 'soul', the evil b*tch! I have that on good authority from someone I met who had worked with the woman!

[Brownie]

I heard that too floo though she started off well enough.  I was very impressed many, many years ago after reading Malcolm Muggeridge's 'Something Beautiful for God' (I must have been about 20 then), but her ethos seemed to change.

It's evident that, if people have power for too long, they believe they can walk on water.   is a good example of that and there are many others.  They seem to lose sight of their original ideals.  The Mother Theresa organisation was/is huge and, frankly, those who worked for it could have put checks in place - maybe they did.   

[ippy]

Good... give your definition of a perfectly good life. Does your life match up to Mother Theresa and her life?
Given your own life and definition of good where does your selflessness match hers?

MT did good by being selfless are you planning to go and live where she lived and do good for selfless reasons?

There is good and their is goodness. But your good has no place in the form of true goodness. Where it is done for benefit of others at the cost of yourself.

Christ... a perfect example of selflessness.. dying for you and for many for their sins. Giving up his life without sin for you.

I think your understanding of living a good life is not the same as the believers living a selfless life for the good of others.
You are comfortable and you need not do anything but for yourself. God is selfless and so is Christ doing good to us even when we do not deserve it.

May be one day you will see that your good is based on things being good for you. The conditions MT lived in and the things she saw was not about herself but about the love and care for others.

You know nothing of the selfless goodness for the benefit of others.

Sass it's a posibility there was a Jesus bloke, nothing solid that would nail his existance at 100%.

The magic mystical and supernatural parts of the workshop manual, well that' about all they are, not much is it Sass, why do you allow yourself to be so taken in with this stuff?

Look at what Richard Dawkins is doing for the world, waking up all of those dulleyed religionists to the wonders of the world with all of the rationality of how these beautifull things have developed, into the present day and the money from his book sales going into this selfless foundation of his, how about that for doing good Sass?

His foundations are in the U S and for us here in the U K and there's a lot of selfless work involved with him devoting a lot of his time to do the necessary travelling, it's a good job there's people like him about.

ippy

[Sassy]

It's by now widely acknowledged that the nun of that name had a very far from selfless life. She had a distinctly worrying predilection, for instance, for cosying up to some of the most brutal tyrants and dictators of the day (the Duvalier dynasty and Enver Hoxha amongst them). She enjoyed all the blandishments that the high life could offer. She was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize despite having done nothing discernible for the cause of world peace and used her acceptance speech as a platform for one of her tedious diatribes about abortion. She offered the most meagre of care to the truly suffering and needy - her tehology ensured that she was a friend of poverty, not of the poor.

That might be your idea of a selfless hero, but it's not mine.

A few hours a few words. But who did she really look after the rest of those days, weeks, months, years and decades?

Jesus Christ was known to have associated with thieves and adulterers. What did that make him guilty of?

10 And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples.

11 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners?

12 But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.

13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

We don't know her purpose of her reasoning... But it does not lessen her service to the poor for many years.

[Sassy]

There was nothing loving about the way MT withheld pain relief because suffering was good for the 'soul', the evil b*tch! I have that on good authority from someone I met who had worked with the woman!

Someone who also withheld pain relief?
Good authority.... what authority has hearsay?

[Shaker]

Good authority.... what authority has hearsay?

You live your life by it, so you evidently accord it great authority.

[Sassy]

Cheers Rhi, Sass is OK, I think I'm making some progress with, her winding up, her overdone belief syndrome.

Sass you can't get away from Medicene Without Frontiers doing their work in an as near as you can get to pure altrustic reasons, where as M T, was doing her works with the brownie points waiting there in the wings and in the back of her mind, carrot/stick/religion never apart from each other.

Says it all Sass.

ippy

The first healing from herbs and medicinal purpose was also in the bible.
MT got no Brownie points... unless of course you believe her life to be an example of proof that God exists and so she lived accordingly.
Sorry Ippy has nothing to do with the  being able to live a perfectly good life. As I said, "
Good... give your definition of a perfectly good life." You have not done what I asked. 

[ippy]

The first healing from herbs and medicinal purpose was also in the bible.
MT got no Brownie points... unless of course you believe her life to be an example of proof that God exists and so she lived accordingly.
Sorry Ippy has nothing to do with the  being able to live a perfectly good life. As I said, "
Good... give your definition of a perfectly good life." You have not done what I asked. 

Sass I think you must have missed the underlined part of my previous post:

"Sass you can't get away from Medicine Without Frontiers doing their work in an as near as you can get to pure altruistic reasons, where as M T, was doing her works with the brownie points waiting there in the wings and in the back of her mind, carrot/stick/religion never apart from each other".

We all do it Sass, you just missed it.

It's well known that herbs can be a help with all sorts of ailments, no need for any mysticism there.

Isn't M S F isn't a good example of living a good life? A lot of people you refer to as atheists on this forum all trying to help you with your misplaced loyalties and apart from the odd murder or two, I haven't got a police record yet, they haven't caught me, I live a reasonable life much like most decent non-believers, you seem to need a book to tell you how to be good, I behave myself mostly without even thinking I need some kind of text book, or do in fact need one, to tell me how, you're the sad one Sass.

ippy     

 

[Dicky Underpants]

It's by now widely acknowledged that the nun of that name had a very far from selfless life. She had a distinctly worrying predilection, for instance, for cosying up to some of the most brutal tyrants and dictators of the day (the Duvalier dynasty and Enver Hoxha amongst them). She enjoyed all the blandishments that the high life could offer. She was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize despite having done nothing discernible for the cause of world peace and used her acceptance speech as a platform for one of her tedious diatribes about abortion. She offered the most meagre of care to the truly suffering and needy - her theology ensured that she was a friend of poverty, not of the poor.

That might be your idea of a selfless hero, but it's not mine.

As I understand it, Shaker, all that is too true. Providing a rubber mat for an extremely ill person to die on may be marginally better than allowing the suffering to die in the street, but hardly counts as compassionate medical care. In fact she appears to have actively opposed the provision of certain readily available drugs which could have cured and controlled a number of the diseases which her 'patients' presented.
As for that old mountebank Malcolm Muggeridge's apologias - he may have been a witty political commentator, but on any other subject he seems to have been a complete ignoramus (didn't even believe in evolution). As for his Christian 'conversion' - it seems to have come along just as his insatiable sexual appetite was beginning to wane. Definitely a case of "oh Lord, make chaste, but not yet".

[Sassy]

Sass I think you must have missed the underlined part of my previous post:

"Sass you can't get away from Medicine Without Frontiers doing their work in an as near as you can get to pure altruistic reasons, where as M T, was doing her works with the brownie points waiting there in the wings and in the back of her mind, carrot/stick/religion never apart from each other".

I think it was you who didn't get it...

You cannot have a carrot/stick/religion unless you believe/know it is true.

So my point was that she was an example that her faith was that God was real. There were some writings she asked to be destroyed after her death. Which some people disregarded and published some of them. (Only an atheist money grabbing person could do that)  What I asked you for was VERY CLEAR and you did not supply the answer.
It was clearly YOU who never did as asked.

We all do it Sass, you just missed it.

It's well known that herbs can be a help with all sorts of ailments, no need for any mysticism there.

Isn't M S F isn't a good example of living a good life? A lot of people you refer to as atheists on this forum all trying to help you with your misplaced loyalties and apart from the odd murder or two, I haven't got a police record yet, they haven't caught me, I live a reasonable life much like most decent non-believers, you seem to need a book to tell you how to be good, I behave myself mostly without even thinking I need some kind of text book, or do in fact need one, to tell me how, you're the sad one Sass.

ippy   

No, I didn't miss anything... You moved the goal post. Try to bring something else into it. Like here now. the above


I did not ask you about your life. I asked you....

As I said, "
Good... give your definition of a perfectly good life." You have not done what I asked.

So using your own words. Please do as I asked.