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Re: Why is there no verifiable evidence?
« Reply #75 on: March 17, 2016, 06:36:57 PM »
I still cannot see how Hope has been hypocritical, merely that he puts forward his views which others cannot verify scientifically.  No believer can produce hard and fast facts to back up their beliefs.

You are right and if all believers were as honest about their beliefs as you are, there would be no problem.

Hope, however, is claiming his belief is founded on objective principles as sound as the scientific method. One of the main principles of the scientific method is transparency. Hope is not being transparent. Hope refuses to divulge his alleged method while taking the rest of us to task for not being able to prove a negative.

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Re: Why is there no verifiable evidence?
« Reply #76 on: March 17, 2016, 06:39:55 PM »
Hope refuses to divulge his alleged method ...
In fairness he says that he's done it before ... on other forums ... somewhere ... once ... what more do you need?
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Re: Why is there no verifiable evidence?
« Reply #77 on: March 17, 2016, 06:42:31 PM »
You are right and if all believers were as honest about their beliefs as you are, there would be no problem
What a load of cobblers .The people with a problem over beliefs is you guys!
Try getting them to fess up to believing anything which has a title. More shifty than the secret societies if you ask me.

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Re: Why is there no verifiable evidence?
« Reply #78 on: March 17, 2016, 06:52:10 PM »
What a load of cobblers .The people with a problem over beliefs is you guys!
Try getting them to fess up to believing anything which has a title. More shifty than the secret societies if you ask me.

No that is bollox^2.

As Brownie and I discussed yesterday her beliefs are hers alone and she doesn't insist they are true for me as well. Hence no problem with her beliefs.

QED

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Re: Why is there no verifiable evidence?
« Reply #79 on: March 17, 2016, 07:03:28 PM »
No that is bollox^2.

As Brownie and I discussed yesterday her beliefs are hers alone and she doesn't insist they are true for me as well. Hence no problem with her beliefs.

QED
I don't think you believe that Atheism is just true for you though do you Hot Shot?

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Re: Why is there no verifiable evidence?
« Reply #80 on: March 17, 2016, 07:13:06 PM »
I don't think you believe that Atheism is just true for you though do you Hot Shot?

I have never heard an argument for God that I found convincing. Its as simple as that.

Other people might be convinced. So what?  I will defend their right to believe it, but once you try to impose it then you can expect a reaction.


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Re: Why is there no verifiable evidence?
« Reply #81 on: March 17, 2016, 07:17:02 PM »
I have never heard an argument for God that I found convincing.

There isn't one ... that's why it's called 'faith'.

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Re: Why is there no verifiable evidence?
« Reply #82 on: March 17, 2016, 07:42:11 PM »
I don't think you believe that Atheism is just true for you though do you Hot Shot?

Dear me, Vlad - have you not yet learned that atheism isn't 'true' as such: it is simply a current absence of holding any beliefs in the existence of gods, largely because the proponents of these gods have offered no good reasons for thinking otherwise, although they do specialise in bad reasons (which they seemingly never tire of).

I'm sure this has been pointed out to you many times before.

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Re: Why is there no verifiable evidence?
« Reply #83 on: March 17, 2016, 07:54:48 PM »
Dear me, Vlad - have you not yet learned that atheism isn't 'true' as such: it is simply a current absence of holding any beliefs in the existence of gods, largely because the proponents of these gods have offered no good reasons for thinking otherwise, although they do specialise in bad reasons (which they seemingly never tire of).

I'm sure this has been pointed out to you many times before.
Congratulations Gordon you've just proved reply#77

Come off it Gordon you believe there is no God and that that is true for everyone, don't you?

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Re: Why is there no verifiable evidence?
« Reply #84 on: March 17, 2016, 08:02:28 PM »
Congratulations Gordon you've just proved reply#77

Come off it Gordon you believe there is no God and that that is true for everyone, don't you?

Nope: currently I see no good reasons to take the god idea seriously because to date the arguments offered in support are so poor: but who knows, perhaps you'll come up with a new one that will convince me.

Since I'm not a philosophical naturalist I have to allow for unknown unknowns.

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Re: Why is there no verifiable evidence?
« Reply #85 on: March 17, 2016, 08:47:59 PM »
Nope: currently I see no good reasons to take the god idea seriously because to date the arguments offered in support are so poor: but who knows, perhaps you'll come up with a new one that will convince me.

Since I'm not a philosophical naturalist I have to allow for unknown unknowns.
Expertly dodged. But I think we all know you and the rest believe God probably doesn't exist and if true it would be true for all.

Other than that all you are saying on the subject is no comment.

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Re: Why is there no verifiable evidence?
« Reply #86 on: March 17, 2016, 08:55:47 PM »
Expertly dodged. But I think we all know you and the rest believe God probably doesn't exist and if true it would be true for all.

Other than that all you are saying on the subject is no comment.

I did comment though: I said that I had no beliefs about gods since I've yet to encounter a good argument in support of there being gods.

I'd have thought I was clear on that point.

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Re: Why is there no verifiable evidence?
« Reply #87 on: March 17, 2016, 09:21:47 PM »
What a load of cobblers .The people with a problem over beliefs is you guys!
Try getting them to fess up to believing anything which has a title. More shifty than the secret societies if you ask me.

Nobody is asking you!
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Re: Why is there no verifiable evidence?
« Reply #88 on: March 17, 2016, 09:23:34 PM »
I don't think you believe that Atheism is just true for you though do you Hot Shot?

Is your moniker Refuse Collecting c'cos you talk unending rubbish?
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Re: Why is there no verifiable evidence?
« Reply #89 on: March 17, 2016, 09:26:42 PM »
There isn't one ... that's why it's called 'faith'.

As I have said before - it will take one hell of a lot of work to get the Christians to admit that fact - that Christianity is FAITH NOT FACT!

Just like every single other religion on Earth - including mine!
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Re: Why is there no verifiable evidence?
« Reply #90 on: March 17, 2016, 10:14:00 PM »
Nobody is asking you!
Come on now Mr Angry........You take great exception to Christians who believe in God and who think God might be true for everyone but are silent towards atheists who don't believe in God and who think his absence might be true for everyone......in other words pure humbug from you Owlswing.

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Re: Why is there no verifiable evidence?
« Reply #91 on: March 17, 2016, 10:26:17 PM »
Is your moniker Refuse Collecting c'cos you talk unending rubbish?
Congratulations you managed a sentence without the word fuck.

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Re: Why is there no verifiable evidence?
« Reply #92 on: March 17, 2016, 10:29:34 PM »
... although you didn't.
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Re: Why is there no verifiable evidence?
« Reply #93 on: March 17, 2016, 10:39:20 PM »
... although you didn't.
Are you saying I can't write a sentence without using the word fuck?

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Re: Why is there no verifiable evidence?
« Reply #94 on: March 17, 2016, 10:43:17 PM »
Well, so far ...
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Re: Why is there no verifiable evidence?
« Reply #95 on: March 17, 2016, 10:50:36 PM »

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Re: Why is there no verifiable evidence?
« Reply #96 on: March 17, 2016, 11:07:23 PM »
Come on now Mr Angry........You take great exception to Christians who believe in God and who think God might be true for everyone but are silent towards atheists who don't believe in God and who think his absence might be true for everyone......in other words pure humbug from you Owlswing.

Rubbish - the atheists are not trying to tell anyone that if they do not believe as Atheists do they are damned to Eternal Hellfire! The do not hang around in Houslow High Street trying to grab people and proselytise the hell out of them - they leave you to make up their own minds.

There is a certain logic to atheism - there is none to any religion, not even to the religion that I follow - why? - because mine, like all religions, is a matter of Faith not Fact!
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Re: Why is there no verifiable evidence?
« Reply #97 on: March 18, 2016, 04:17:51 AM »
To see what I (and Shaker) mean about Hope being hypocritical you need to read more than just one or two threads and read them from start to finish.

I do not call anyone hypocrite without fair cause (Bashful Anthony - another Christian who would brook no argument against his religion being the one true way and anyone who was NOT Christian was delusional - I more than most as I am pagan - used the word for just about anyone who dared to argue with him or his version of his religion - as a for instance - I am a hypocrite, according to him, because, as a pagan, I send Christmas cards to my Christian friends and Yule cards to my pagan ones.) and Hope is, in calling Floo out as running away because she does not like answers given her, most certainly a hypocrite of the first water.

Try reading the "Put me out of my misery (appeal to Hope)" thread on the Christian Topic for a start!

On the subject of taking a break - I have just returned from a one month enforced (by the medical people) break in which I was able to read the posts here but not contribute. It was an eye opener.

Pot calling Kettle black applies more to you and Shaker. Plus the others adding their two penneth worth.
For a start miracles done in the name of Christ do have proof including medical proof people have been healed. The fact you are all too lazy to search shows the real hypocrites around here are the atheists.
In the refusal of your own ignorance of what to have faith means you make false accusations against people like Bash and Hope. Bash not being here to defend himself. As for hypocrite .... calling yourselves open minded is a myth which is dispersed by the posts you have written about others and their beliefs in God and Christ.
We all know you cannot disprove Christ and God. But if honest and truly seeking truth and to understand believers you would be watching things like the 700 club where evidence can be obtained of healing and doctors real medical doctors who have confirmed such healing's.

The only real hypocrites around here are the one throwing stones like yourself and Shaker to name but two. Atheists who say one thing and mean another. Who talk and profess to be open minded then posts the posts that show how closed minded and how unfair they really are... Double standards and without any real basis but your own guilt being transferred onto others.

Either research the evidence available or admit, there is nothing open minded about the things you believe.
And stop trying to call Kettle black when the pot is the same colour and you are colour blind serving your own purpose.
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Re: Why is there no verifiable evidence?
« Reply #98 on: March 18, 2016, 07:20:26 AM »
Rubbish - the atheists are not trying to tell anyone that if they do not believe as Atheists do they are damned to Eternal Hellfire!
Surely that's the type of thing that only disturbs if you feel there might be something in it.

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Re: Why is there no verifiable evidence?
« Reply #99 on: March 18, 2016, 07:43:16 AM »
Pot calling Kettle black applies more to you and Shaker. Plus the others adding their two penneth worth.
For a start miracles done in the name of Christ do have proof including medical proof people have been healed. The fact you are all too lazy to search shows the real hypocrites around here are the atheists.
In the refusal of your own ignorance of what to have faith means you make false accusations against people like Bash and Hope. Bash not being here to defend himself. As for hypocrite .... calling yourselves open minded is a myth which is dispersed by the posts you have written about others and their beliefs in God and Christ.
We all know you cannot disprove Christ and God. But if honest and truly seeking truth and to understand believers you would be watching things like the 700 club where evidence can be obtained of healing and doctors real medical doctors who have confirmed such healing's.

The only real hypocrites around here are the one throwing stones like yourself and Shaker to name but two. Atheists who say one thing and mean another. Who talk and profess to be open minded then posts the posts that show how closed minded and how unfair they really are... Double standards and without any real basis but your own guilt being transferred onto others.

Either research the evidence available or admit, there is nothing open minded about the things you believe.
And stop trying to call Kettle black when the pot is the same colour and you are colour blind serving your own purpose.

Let's pretend for a moment we did have some evidence of a "miraculous" looking cure. Say you invited 10 amputees onto stage, prayed and the missing limbs grew back instantaneously. I would admit that this would be an absolutely amazing phenomena. It would be all over the world in minutes.

However, if you want to claim that the reason for the re-growing limbs is divine intervention then you need a method that allows us to investigate this type of claim.

What is it?