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Walt Zingmatilder

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No more parental governance in schools
« on: March 17, 2016, 06:28:02 PM »
Could hardly believe this. Why do people enjoy being treated with this level of contempt from the Government. What with that and Ofsted being circumscribed.

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Re: No more parental governance in schools
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2016, 06:29:34 PM »
Could hardly believe this. Why do people enjoy being treated with this level of contempt from the Government. What with that and Ofsted being circumscribed.
Who says anybody enjoys it?

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Re: No more parental governance in schools
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2016, 07:35:43 PM »
Could hardly believe this. Why do people enjoy being treated with this level of contempt from the Government. What with that and Ofsted being circumscribed.
Having been a governor of our local infant school for 5 years back in the noughties (not as a parent governor, though both my daughters had attended the school in the past) two of the interesting things I noticed are that we struggled to get parents to volunteer for the role iin the first place, and often, when they did volunteer, they were often fixated on the aspects of the school that their child interacted with, to the exclusion of other issues.  Yes, having them can be a good idea, but I'm not sure that they are always a good idea.

In a sense, the 'contempt' is sometimes on the part of a parent governor as they aren't really interested in the wider picture.
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Re: No more parental governance in schools
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2016, 07:43:49 PM »
Having been a governor of our local infant school for 5 years back in the noughties (not as a parent governor, though both my daughters had attended the school in the past) two of the interesting things I noticed are that we struggled to get parents to volunteer for the role iin the first place, and often, when they did volunteer, they were often fixated on the aspects of the school that their child interacted with, to the exclusion of other issues.  Yes, having them can be a good idea, but I'm not sure that they are always a good idea.

In a sense, the 'contempt' is sometimes on the part of a parent governor as they aren't really interested in the wider picture.

I have no difficulty believing that, having known several parent-governors.
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Re: No more parental governance in schools
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2016, 07:44:19 AM »
Having been a governor of our local infant school for 5 years back in the noughties (not as a parent governor, though both my daughters had attended the school in the past) two of the interesting things I noticed are that we struggled to get parents to volunteer for the role iin the first place, and often, when they did volunteer, they were often fixated on the aspects of the school that their child interacted with, to the exclusion of other issues.  Yes, having them can be a good idea, but I'm not sure that they are always a good idea.

In a sense, the 'contempt' is sometimes on the part of a parent governor as they aren't really interested in the wider picture.
On the main point, the thread title isn't correct. The change allows schools to choose whether or not to have parent governors, it doesn't abolish them.

But it does worry me if a school has no democratically elected parents on the governing body - there is a risk that a completely cosy relationship develops whereby the governing body is entirely made up of people either selected by the Head (community governors) or line managed by the Head (teacher governors). This isn't appropriate in my view as the Head needs to be accountable to the governing body, rather than the governing body being a group of 'yes' men and women for the Head.

I do, however, recognise that in some places it is very difficult to get people to stand and to ensure that those who do stand and are elected take the role and their responsibilities seriously. I am fortunate that the schools my kids go to there is a highly engaged parental body and the election of governors is a pretty serious process. I am, myself a  parent governor, and when I was elected in 2014 there were 6 highly credible candidates for 3 vacancies. Today is the closing date for a further round of elections, with 5 excellent candidates for 2 vacancies.

Fortunately too, I don't recognise Hope's characterisation of parent governors as only interested in the narrow aspects of the school that directly affected their own child. None of the parent governors on my governing body are like that - they are absolutely focussed on the full role. Indeed of the three groups of governors (parent, community and teacher) the parent governors are probably the most effective in the role. By contrast I struggle with many of the teacher governors, who turn up to meetings but contribute very little.

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Re: No more parental governance in schools
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2016, 06:30:54 PM »
But it does worry me if a school has no democratically elected parents on the governing body - there is a risk that a completely cosy relationship develops whereby the governing body is entirely made up of people either selected by the Head (community governors) or line managed by the Head (teacher governors). This isn't appropriate in my view as the Head needs to be accountable to the governing body, rather than the governing body being a group of 'yes' men and women for the Head.
Not sure about in England, but here in Wales we have Local Authority governors - appointed by the council.

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Fortunately too, I don't recognise Hope's characterisation of parent governors as only interested in the narrow aspects of the school that directly affected their own child.
I ddn't say all of them were like this - just some that I've had dealings with.
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Re: No more parental governance in schools
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2016, 06:43:27 PM »
Not sure about in England, but here in Wales we have Local Authority governors - appointed by the council.
Not in academies - there are three types of governor, parent, teacher and community. The latter is sort of the equivalent of local authority governor but the appointment is largely driven by the existing governing body - so if that is already in the pocket of the Head then the Head can ensure the appointment of a passive 'yes' person.

Actually the current term is 'co-opted' not community governor.
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Re: No more parental governance in schools
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2016, 07:05:54 PM »
Not sure about in England, but here in Wales we have Local Authority governors - appointed by the council.
Actually given that it has been announced that all schools will be required to become academies in the next few years the type of governor that will vanish isn't the parent governor (even though some schools might choose not to have them), but the local authority governors. They still exist in local authority controlled schools, but those will be no more once the academisation programme is complete.

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Re: No more parental governance in schools
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2016, 02:46:56 PM »
Just an update on our parent governor elections.

Two vacancies and five people standing - two excellent candidates successful, both of whom were being re-elected.

But ... the number of votes case was woeful - this is a school with over 1000 pupils, so at least that number of eligible parents/guardians able to vote (factoring in siblings). Less than 70 appear actually to have voted, and I gather this is pretty well par for the course. And this is a very good school with lots of middle class, highly engaged parents. Maybe there lies the problem, not just getting parents to be prepared to stand for election to serve on the governing body, but to get parents to actually vote!