Is the non existence of God true for everyone.

[Stranger]

When someone sits on the throne of their own lives and sees nothing but what they want to see in front of them.

Sound like those with religious faith....

[Sassy]

How is accepting Christ working out for you?

You life seems a disaster area with people dead and dying all around you.

Where is your god?

My God is here helping me through it...
The world is full of disasters and people dying. All eventually die, don't they?
Is there really any logic in saying because sad things happen it lessens Gods reality.

The fact is God exists. That truth does not lessen because of grief or sorrow. But it is heightened and it increases knowing that my loved ones will be in eternity with my Father and I. When the time comes and everyone dies, they are not lying in the grave all that time knowing about time. As they close their eyes in death they are already awake on the other side to our heavenly Father. Because whilst they decay they know nothing about the time. It is literally like falling asleep and waking up no time lapse in between. My family will all arise together at the same time and no time lapse known.

Life has been difficult but I have a promise from my heavenly Father.

King James Bible
For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.
New International Version
For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.

All things will work for my good. The truth of God is not dependent on what is happening in the world.
As a believer, what happens in my life does not affect the fact God exists. Whilst most of the world blame God for all the sad things. We really should be thankful he is real and we can know it. It makes sense that though sad things happen that good things still lie ahead. Both in this world and the next.

I have been torn at heart and laid very low at times. But rather than being the object of blame. Knowing the truth that God is real, I have someone to cling to and whom I know gives me light and reason to go on in this world.

For myself, speaking personally, God gets me through the bad times he isn't the blame for them.
 

[Shaker]

The fact is God exists.

That's a belief, not a fact.

[Sassy]

That's a belief, not a fact.

Had you walked in my shoes you would know it is a fact.

The thing is, if you loved truth you could know it for yourself.

When you have gone through the things my family and I, have gone through. Then and only then can you say what we claim to be fact any different.

Whilst you can claim it true for yourself, you can by no means claim it true for anyone else.

[Shaker]

Had you walked in my shoes you would know it is a fact.

The thing is, if you loved truth you could know it for yourself.

When you have gone through the things my family and I, have gone through. Then and only then can you say what we claim to be fact any different.

Whilst you can claim it true for yourself, you can by no means claim it true for anyone else.

Belief, not fact.

[BeRational]

Had you walked in my shoes you would know it is a fact.

The thing is, if you loved truth you could know it for yourself.

When you have gone through the things my family and I, have gone through. Then and only then can you say what we claim to be fact any different.

Whilst you can claim it true for yourself, you can by no means claim it true for anyone else.

If your god is what you say he is, why has your family and those around you gone through so much?

[Shaker]

If your god is what you say he is, why has your family and those around you gone through so much?

He does indeed seem to be, as Rhiannon observed only yesterday, a bit rubbish to say the least.

[Sassy]

He does indeed seem to be, as Rhiannon observed only yesterday, a bit rubbish to say the least.

Well explain remember that death and disease are part of life. That accidents happen to everyone.
So tell us why God is rubbish... Because I see eternal life, forgiveness, healing and being kept in his love as not rubbish at all.

[Shaker]

Well explain remember that death and disease are part of life. That accidents happen to everyone.
So tell us why God is rubbish... Because I see eternal life, forgiveness, healing and being kept in his love as not rubbish at all.

Death, disease and accidents ... could this God character have constructed a universe without these things?

[Maeght]

Belief and acceptance of Christ, is the individuals choice.

No its not. I can't just choose to believe in something.

[Bubbles]

No its not. I can't just choose to believe in something.

Have you tried? Otherwise it's a self fulfilling prophecy 

 

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[Ricky Spanish]

We hear atheists and pagans mewling that they are tired of Christians thinking that God might be true for everyone.

Does the atheist who thinks God probably doesn't exist think that is just true for them or would that be true for everyone.

Can you come up with an argument to prove/show that god is not just speaking to/through you

That those of us here without faith will understand, without you having to reference the so-called "New Testament" which is only really a book, like the Sherlock Holmes, Narnia and LOTR books!!

[Maeght]

Have you tried? Otherwise it's a self fulfilling prophecy 

 

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How can you try to believe in something exactly?

[Bubbles]

How can you try to believe in something exactly?

You learn about it, usually a good start   

That's what that alpha course was trying to do.

I think a person can be swayed by being involved with people who believe.

It's a bit like picking up an accent.

Its like the saying birds of a feather flock together and I think we very often pick up things from the people around us.
That can be attitudes or even beliefs.

It's a survival thing, so we fit in.

Apparently we all do it to a degree, some more than others.

I read that somewhere, that we unconsciously mimic each other.

[Bubbles]

I reckon some do it more than others.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/7931299/Humans-subconsciously-mimic-other-accents-psychologists-claim.html

I think that sometimes people pick up on beliefs as well, depending on who they mix with.

In that sense, perhaps you can choose your beliefs.

But the ability to choose might be determined on a subconscious level.

So some can, while others can't.

( in the same way some people pick up accents really quickly and another person doesn't )

[Ricky Spanish]

We hear atheists and pagans mewling that they are tired of Christians thinking that God might be true for everyone.

Does the atheist who thinks God probably doesn't exist think that is just true for them or would that be true for everyone.

The Existence of a "God" is true for many, their God fits the ideology of the people who believe in that God.

Does that mean that these Gods exist?

[Maeght]

You learn about it, usually a good start   

That's what that alpha course was trying to do.

I think a person can be swayed by being involved with people who believe.

It's a bit like picking up an accent.

Its like the saying birds of a feather flock together and I think we very often pick up things from the people around us.
That can be attitudes or even beliefs.

It's a survival thing, so we fit in.

Apparently we all do it to a degree, some more than others.

I read that somewhere, that we unconsciously mimic each other.

The wiring of the brain can be changed by study and exposure to influences over a long period of time. This I think could make someone a believer who wasn't. I don't think that is trying to believe though exactly, but I know what you mean.

I grew up in a nonimally Christian household and am aware of the message but it means nothing to me - it doesn't chime with my way of thinking (how my brain is wired).

[Bubbles]

The wiring of the brain can be changed by study and exposure to influences over a long period of time. This I think could make someone a believer who wasn't. I don't think that is trying to believe though exactly, but I know what you mean.

I grew up in a nonimally Christian household and am aware of the message but it means nothing to me - it doesn't chime with my way of thinking (how my brain is wired).

  thanks Maeght interesting post 🌹

[Stranger]

Just wondering, do you think atheists dislike talking about how atheism affects their lives?

Do you think some theists dislike talking about their concept of god?

[Gonnagle]

Dear Stranger,

Do you think some theists dislike talking about their concept of god?

Not this one old chap

Gonnagle.

[Stranger]

Not this one old chap

Well, I did ask and I still don't have much of a clue. Like pantheism but "more" and some "walking with Jesus" but not literally (I think)....

[Gonnagle]

Dear Stranger,

Discuss or deride?

Gonnagle.

[Stranger]

Discuss or deride?

Is it worthy of derision? Thing is, fundamentalist types are always telling us about their versions of god but whenever I've tried to get to the bottom of what more liberal Christians actually think god is, they don't seem to want to talk about it. I've noted this on several occasions. I'm curious.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Stranger,

Liberal Christians!! I don't see myself as a "liberal" Christian, I am a back to basic type Christian, before organised Churches got its grubby hands on it.

The problem with Christianity? Christians!

Gonnagle.

[Owlswing]

Dear Stranger,

Liberal Christians!! I don't see myself as a "liberal" Christian, I am a back to basic type Christian, before organised Churches got its grubby hands on it.

The problem with Christianity? Christians!

Gonnagle.

Care to name a few in particular Gonners?