Is the non existence of God true for everyone.

[Sassy]

Death, disease and accidents ... could this God character have constructed a universe without these things?

He did, but YOU man, invited Satan into the equation and you handed yourself, your life and destiny over to someone who loves to see you suffer.

Now the bible is clear. You like Adam the first man always blame your own failings on someone else.

12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

Ever since man has never owned up to his own failings and being the cause of the suffering for all mankind.
The truth is in Gods garden of Eden and the World it was all SAFE till Adam ate that fruit.

God put's us right with him through faith and even that you cannot get right as a man.
So why are you so surprised that you deliberately ignore the fact you and YOU alone are responsible for your own destiny.
Like Adam, you have a choice to obey God and live or ignore him and die.

What is it with men not taking responsibility for their own actions or believing that they can ignore the truth and it will go away.
You live with the consqeuences of your actions. If you get into a car drunk and kill someone. Whose fault is the accident?
A force of nature is not an accident it is the earth in it's fallen state,. BUT you think that you somehow have an argument.

God made a good world and everything good. Read Genesis chapters 1-3. But man disobeyed and made it what it is today.
So instead of complaining about God look in the mirror. Your ancestors chose for you today and you keep on ignoring the fact you live the life you choose.

[Leonard James]

He did, but YOU man, invited Satan into the equation and you handed yourself, your life and destiny over to someone who loves to see you suffer.

Now the bible is clear. You like Adam the first man always blame your own failings on someone else.
Ever since man has never owned up to his own failings and being the cause of the suffering for all mankind.
The truth is in Gods garden of Eden and the World it was all SAFE till Adam ate that fruit.

God put's us right with him through faith and even that you cannot get right as a man.
So why are you so surprised that you deliberately ignore the fact you and YOU alone are responsible for your own destiny.
Like Adam, you have a choice to obey God and live or ignore him and die.

What is it with men not taking responsibility for their own actions or believing that they can ignore the truth and it will go away.
You live with the consqeuences of your actions. If you get into a car drunk and kill someone. Whose fault is the accident?
A force of nature is not an accident it is the earth in it's fallen state,. BUT you think that you somehow have an argument.

God made a good world and everything good. Read Genesis chapters 1-3. But man disobeyed and made it what it is today.
So instead of complaining about God look in the mirror. Your ancestors chose for you today and you keep on ignoring the fact you live the life you choose.

 

You really are a character, Sassy!

[Shaker]

He did, but YOU man, invited Satan into the equation and you handed yourself, your life and destiny over to someone who loves to see you suffer.

Pretty sure I didn't do anything of the kind - I'm sure I would have remembered.

And then this Satan character (I use the word character advisedly) existed/s at all only due to God and can do nothing and have no influence over anyone or anything but with God's say-so - if you regard God as omnipotent, that is. Do you or don't you? Hope always dodges the question; let's see if you'll fare any better.[/quote]

[Leonard James]

Pretty sure I didn't do anything of the kind - I'm sure I would have remembered.

And then this Satan character (I use the word character advisedly) existed/s at all only due to God and can do nothing and have no influence over anyone or anything but with God's say-so - if you regard God as omnipotent, that is. Do you or don't you? Hope always dodges the question; let's see if you'll fare any better.

She probably won't dodge it, but be prepared for some idiotic, half-baked diatribe of buybull quotations that "explain it". 

[Owlswing]

Pretty sure I didn't do anything of the kind - I'm sure I would have remembered.

And then this Satan character (I use the word character advisedly) existed/s at all only due to God and can do nothing and have no influence over anyone or anything but with God's say-so - if you regard God as omnipotent, that is. Do you or don't you? Hope always dodges the question; let's see if you'll fare any better.

I seem to remember, during my investigations at the British Library, somewthing about God allowing Satan to operate in the  world to test people's faith in him (God) so that he9god) would know which ones to send to Hell! I will have to look up the exact references, but as they are literary and written by so-called divines and not biblical Sassy will reject them out of hand anyway!

What kind of right bastard does that?

[Leonard James]

I seem to remember, during my investigations at the British Library, somewthing about God allowing Satan to operate in the  world to test people's faith in him (God) so that he9god) would know which ones to send to Hell! I will have to look up the exact references, but as they are literary and written by so-called divines and not biblical Sassy will reject them out of hand anyway!

What kind of right bastard does that?

The imagined Christian God?

[Owlswing]

The imagined Christian God?

Three points and a bonus mark to LJ.

[jeremyp]

Well explain remember that death and disease are part of life. That accidents happen to everyone.

But they seem to happen to you and your loved ones far more than most of the rest of us on this board. It's almost as if your god doesn't care about you.

[Leonard James]

But they seem to happen to you and your loved ones far more than most of the rest of us on this board. It's almost as if your god doesn't care about you.

I confess that the same thought had occurred to me. The family gene pool sounds rather negative.

[BeRational]

I confess that the same thought had occurred to me. The family gene pool sounds rather negative.

I think I noted somewhere that her life is a disaster area with people dead or dying all around.

I would prefer to keep my distance.

[Owlswing]

I think I noted somewhere that her life is a disaster area with people dead or dying all around.

I would prefer to keep my distance.

You have nothing to worry about BR - her problems are nothing more than her god testing her faith and her attachement to his tyrannical rule!

[jeremyp]

her problems are nothing more than her god testing her faith and her attachement to his tyrannical rule!

Yes but her problems seem to mostly take the form of bad things happening to her loved ones. Imagine how Sassy's friends and relations must feel going up to Heaven at the end of a debilitating and painful illness to find out that God put them through it only to test Sassy's faith.

[Owlswing]

Yes but her problems seem to mostly take the form of bad things happening to her loved ones. Imagine how Sassy's friends and relations must feel going up to Heaven at the end of a debilitating and painful illness to find out that God put them through it only to test Sassy's faith.

Do you honestly think that the god of the Christians gives a tuppenny damn what anyone thinks about anything he does to whomsoever he pleases?

He allowed his own son to be crucified, why would he cars about anyone else? And his son was crucified for our sins, which we commit at the incitement of Satan whom the selfsame god let loose on this world to test our faith by inveigling us into sin - if you look at it in one way, Jesus died so Daddy could still have his fun playing with mere mortals because mortals think thay can sin as much as they like 'cos Jeus diesdto "take away the sins of the world" - isn't that the wording used?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Do you honestly think that the god of the Christians gives a tuppenny damn what anyone thinks about anything he does to whomsoever he pleases?

He allowed his own son to be crucified, why would he cars about anyone else? And his son was crucified for our sins, which we commit at the incitement of Satan whom the selfsame god let loose on this world to test our faith by inveigling us into sin - if you look at it in one way, Jesus died so Daddy could still have his fun playing with mere mortals because mortals think thay can sin as much as they like 'cos Jeus diesdto "take away the sins of the world" - isn't that the wording used?

But God raised him from the dead Swing since you have invoked God as Jesus' daddy.

As for the rest of what you put......are you remembering to take the tablets before your meals and the green and white capsules after food?

[Owlswing]

But God raised him from the dead . . .

Clearly Jesus did not know that he was to be raised from the dead. Wlse why would he ask "Father, why hast thou forsaken me?"

Swing since you have invoked God as Jesus' daddy.

WTF does this piece of garbage mean?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Clearly Jesus did not know that he was to be raised from the dead. Wlse why would he ask "Father, why hast thou forsaken me?"

I think he may have believed it at one point but you are right to point out that he ceased to believe he would be anything but abandoned by God on the cross.

[Bubbles]

I think I noted somewhere that her life is a disaster area with people dead or dying all around.

I would prefer to keep my distance.

Why?

Do you think it's contagious?

[Leonard James]

Why?

Do you think it's contagious?

Depressing is more the word.

[BeRational]

Why?

Do you think it's contagious?

The closer you get, the more in danger it seems you are.