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Re: Do you think there is life on other planets?
« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2016, 02:25:22 PM »
Quote from: L.A. on March 19, 2016, 11:49:06 AM
I think it is very likely microbial life will be found elsewhere in our Solar system, possibly Mars, in the next few decades.

Personally, I feel certain that intelligent life must also exist somewhere 'out there' but could be so far away that we will never have evidence.

Mind readers can be very annoying.

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Re: Do you think there is life on other planets?
« Reply #26 on: March 19, 2016, 04:17:06 PM »
Quote from: Shaker on March 18, 2016, 09:44:55 PM
How remiss of him.
Why?  Is it frustrating you because he doesn't tell us whether there is life outside the earth's atmosphere?
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Re: Do you think there is life on other planets?
« Reply #27 on: March 19, 2016, 04:30:17 PM »
Quote from: Hope on March 19, 2016, 04:17:06 PM
Why?  Is it frustrating you because he doesn't tell us whether there is life outside the earth's atmosphere?

I think Shaker was making an ironic comment on the ridiculous notion that the views of a middle-eastern Jew who supposedly lived 2,000 or so years ago, as portrayed by his fans, would represent an authoritative view on extra-terrestrial life.
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Re: Do you think there is life on other planets?
« Reply #28 on: March 19, 2016, 05:47:55 PM »
Quote from: Gordon on March 19, 2016, 04:30:17 PM
I think Shaker was making an ironic comment on the ridiculous notion that the views of a middle-eastern Jew who supposedly lived 2,000 or so years ago, as portrayed by his fans, would represent an authoritative view on extra-terrestrial life.

Unless of course, he was himself,  an alien.

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Re: Do you think there is life on other planets?
« Reply #29 on: March 19, 2016, 05:52:09 PM »
Quote from: Gordon on March 19, 2016, 04:30:17 PM
I think Shaker was making an ironic comment on the ridiculous notion that the views of a middle-eastern Jew who supposedly lived 2,000 or so years ago, as portrayed by his fans, would represent an authoritative view on extra-terrestrial life.
Well, at least one person here gets irony. Certainly sorts out those who do from those who don't.
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Re: Do you think there is life on other planets?
« Reply #30 on: March 19, 2016, 06:43:40 PM »
I'm still mourning the loss of Sooty  :(

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Re: Do you think there is life on other planets?
« Reply #31 on: March 19, 2016, 07:15:25 PM »
Quote from: Rose on March 19, 2016, 06:43:40 PM
I'm still mourning the loss of Sooty  :(

 ;)

The clangers would have the answer to this thread, your post reminded me Rose.

My mum was a Rose, long gone unfortunatly

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Re: Do you think there is life on other planets?
« Reply #32 on: March 19, 2016, 07:17:11 PM »
Quote from: ippy on March 19, 2016, 07:15:25 PM
The clangers would have the answer to this thread, your post reminded me Rose.

My mum was a Rose, long gone unfortunatly

ippy


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Re: Do you think there is life on other planets?
« Reply #33 on: March 19, 2016, 08:22:39 PM »
Quote from: Rose on March 19, 2016, 07:17:11 PM

🌹 :)

Come to think of it Rose there's a lot of people that don't even believe in the Clangers.

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Re: Do you think there is life on other planets?
« Reply #34 on: March 20, 2016, 06:56:53 AM »
Quote from: Shaker on March 18, 2016, 06:12:48 PM
On the other hand I have heard some people state, apparently in all seriousness, that should humanity ever encounter intelligent extraterrestrial life, the first thing that needs to happen is that the aliens are saved by hearing the good news of Jesus ::)

Ray Bradbury wrote a short story about that. It's rather good as I remember, it involves a priest meeting aliens who look like balloons, so he has to rethink the image of the crucifixion since obviously one cannot crucify a balloon.
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Re: Do you think there is life on other planets?
« Reply #35 on: March 20, 2016, 07:09:50 AM »
Quote from: Shaker on March 18, 2016, 06:12:48 PM
On the other hand I have heard some people state, apparently in all seriousness, that should humanity ever encounter intelligent extraterrestrial life, the first thing that needs to happen is that the aliens are saved by hearing the good news of Jesus ::)
When what will happen is that antitheists will try to SELL them copies of The God Delusion.
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Re: Do you think there is life on other planets?
« Reply #36 on: March 20, 2016, 07:50:30 AM »
Quote from: Diversity in refuse collecting. on March 20, 2016, 07:09:50 AM
When what will happen is that antitheists will try to SELL them copies of The God Delusion.

Why are theists so obsessed with Richard Dawkins and The God Delusion? It's far from Dawkins' best work IMO and I thought Breaking the Spell by Daniel Dennett was a better critique of religion.
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Re: Do you think there is life on other planets?
« Reply #37 on: March 20, 2016, 09:47:33 AM »
Quote from: Some Kind of Stranger on March 20, 2016, 07:50:30 AM
Why are theists so obsessed with Richard Dawkins and The God Delusion? It's far from Dawkins' best work IMO and I thought Breaking the Spell by Daniel Dennett was a better critique of religion.
I'd agree with your initil observation re. 'The God Delusion', SKoS.  Not sure about the bit that proceeds it, though.  This is just about the only forum I've been involved with where the book is even referenced (apart from when it first came out) and, I'd suggest, in fairly equal measure by theists and atheists.  Haven't read the Dennett book, but friends who have - both religious and non-religious have told me that it 'ain't much cop' (to quote one non-religious person).
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Re: Do you think there is life on other planets?
« Reply #38 on: March 20, 2016, 09:58:32 AM »
Quote from: Hope on March 20, 2016, 09:47:33 AM
I'd agree with your initil observation re. 'The God Delusion', SKoS.  Not sure about the bit that proceeds it, though.  This is just about the only forum I've been involved with where the book is even referenced (apart from when it first came out) and, I'd suggest, in fairly equal measure by theists and atheists.  Haven't read the Dennett book, but friends who have - both religious and non-religious have told me that it 'ain't much cop' (to quote one non-religious person).

The 'equal measure' can be reduced to
a) Vlad constantly mentions him (albeit because he likely both fears and has a crush on him)
b) other people respond to a)
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Re: Do you think there is life on other planets?
« Reply #39 on: March 20, 2016, 10:10:26 AM »
Quote from: Sebastian Toe on March 20, 2016, 09:58:32 AM
The 'equal measure' can be reduced to
a) Vlad constantly mentions him (albeit because he likely both fears and has a crush on him)
b) other people respond to a)
Fear Dawkins? You wish.
Crush? Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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Re: Do you think there is life on other planets?
« Reply #40 on: March 20, 2016, 11:05:54 AM »
Quote from: Some Kind of Stranger on March 20, 2016, 07:50:30 AM
Why are theists so obsessed with Richard Dawkins and The God Delusion? It's far from Dawkins' best work IMO and I thought Breaking the Spell by Daniel Dennett was a better critique of religion.
Atheism: The Case Against God by George H. Smith remains the single best demolition job on theism that I've ever read, however. Excellent book; wish it was better known.

http://goo.gl/ibi4KV

Dawkins's best book IMO is the little-read (because difficult) The Extended Phenotype.
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Re: Do you think there is life on other planets?
« Reply #41 on: March 20, 2016, 11:15:56 AM »
I must admit I'm not sure how reading anything can convince one way or the other as to the existence of God, although I am sure there are some fine books on the subject. For me the most important things are personal experience and honest inner searching, whatever conclusion you reach.
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Re: Do you think there is life on other planets?
« Reply #42 on: March 20, 2016, 11:53:12 AM »
Quote from: Rhiannon on March 20, 2016, 11:15:56 AM
I must admit I'm not sure how reading anything can convince one way or the other as to the existence of God, although I am sure there are some fine books on the subject. For me the most important things are personal experience and honest inner searching, whatever conclusion you reach.
Exactly - although IME reading widely around a subject can introduce you to points or arguments you'd never thought of before.
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Re: Do you think there is life on other planets?
« Reply #43 on: March 20, 2016, 01:26:53 PM »
Quote from: Shaker on March 20, 2016, 11:05:54 AM
Atheism: The Case Against God by George H. Smith remains the single best demolition job on theism that I've ever read, however. Excellent book; wish it was better known.

http://goo.gl/ibi4KV

Dawkins's best book IMO is the little-read (because difficult) The Extended Phenotype.

I haven't read the George H. Smith but I'll check it out - thanks!

I thought The Extended Phenotype was good too. More accessible (but longer) is The Ancestor's Tale which I also enjoyed.
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Re: Do you think there is life on other planets?
« Reply #44 on: March 20, 2016, 01:31:50 PM »
Quote from: Shaker on March 20, 2016, 11:53:12 AM
Exactly - although IME reading widely around a subject can introduce you to points or arguments you'd never thought of before.
Which might well explain why I find the argument put forward by folk like yourself, Shakes, to be so limiting.  For instance, it doesn't take many pages of reading books like Ehrman's 'How Jesus Became God' or 'Lost Christianities' to see flaws in his arguments; or books by the likes of Grayling, Hitchens or Dawkins to see inconsistencies in their arguments.  As I've mentioned before, although I was brought up ina Christian family, I didn't become a Christian until I was nigh-on 18.  The school library was full of philosophical and other material that I read quite avidly.  It was as I understood the emptiness of so much that I turned 'back', first to Hinduism and Buddhism and then to Christianity.
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Re: Do you think there is life on other planets?
« Reply #45 on: March 20, 2016, 01:32:49 PM »
Quote from: Hope on March 20, 2016, 01:31:50 PM
Which might well explain why I find the argument put forward by folk like yourself, Shakes, to be so limiting.  For instance, it doesn't take many pages of reading books like Ehrman's 'How Jesus Became God' or 'Lost Christianities' to see flaws in his arguments; or books by the likes of Grayling, Hitchens or Dawkins to see inconsistencies in their arguments.
Haven't noticed any. Name some.
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Re: Do you think there is life on other planets?
« Reply #46 on: March 20, 2016, 01:39:13 PM »
Quote from: Shaker on March 20, 2016, 01:32:49 PM
Haven't noticed any. Name some.

Yes, Hope, please do. Perhaps a new thread so we can discuss these flaws and inconsistencies...?
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« Reply #47 on: March 20, 2016, 01:44:09 PM »
Quote from: Shaker on March 20, 2016, 11:53:12 AM
Exactly - although IME reading widely around a subject can introduce you to points or arguments you'd never thought of before.

Well, yes - it was reading books on theism that were completely nonsensical that started me questioning.

Not sure that was their intended purpose mind.
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Re: Do you think there is life on other planets?
« Reply #48 on: March 20, 2016, 01:44:32 PM »
Very likely not!
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Re: Do you think there is life on other planets?
« Reply #49 on: March 20, 2016, 01:54:54 PM »
Quote from: Shaker on March 20, 2016, 01:32:49 PM
Haven't noticed any. Name some.

Try Michael Onfray Shakes, if you haven't already done so, Hope would probably not like it that much, so that on its own would be inclined to award his books at the very least 5 or 6 merit points.

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