Even a Tory thinks the Tories are going too far

[jeremyp]

Iain Duncan Smith resigns

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35848687

[Nearly Sane]

Even a Euro Sceptic will pretend that the policies he has implemented might be something that he can resign in principle if he thinks it will put him in a better place post referendum.

[Nearly Sane]

If Ian Duncan Smith's resignation helps stop the witless stuff on PIP in the budget, good! But it is a personal calculation by a politician that has happily implemented policies such as the bedroom tax, happily lied about the policies, and is happily lying now about his reasons for resigning, if you don't think so then why did he wait post budget and post indications that the policy was doing badly? This isn't principle it's a piece of autofellation by a spunksock.

[Nearly Sane]

Not sure I agree with this entirely but the narrative is currently awry


https://medium.com/mosquito-ridge/scratch-one-tory-1efdada64080#.7famytu76

[Udayana]

If they weren't in the process of wasting £15.8b on an IT system they would have enough to keep the disability payments, with plenty to spare.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/03/16/universal_credit_internal_reviews_disclosure_order/

[Gonnagle]

Dear Lost in Politics, ( that's me Sane, not you )

That happened while Thatcherism was in its ascendant. This happens while Cameronism — whatever that actually is — has descended into ideological and governmental disarray.

I have to agree with this Paul Mason guy, Is it just me or do others agree, when other world leaders see Cameron approaching do they snigger, do they think, poor Britain being led by such a weak chinned wonder, is it shallow of me to think that our leader should have some kind of charisma, a back bone.

All this austerity bull shit and we are in it together nonsense, I doubt Cameron will be remembered for anything monumental, he just seems like a puppet, but whose puppet??

Gonnagle.

[ProfessorDavey]

I doubt Cameron will be remembered for anything monumental,

Depending on what happens in June he may well be remembered for something monumental - but not positive - the break up of the UK.

If the UK votes for out, Scotland is likely to vote for independence. But it will also destabilise Northern Ireland massively, which could break the peace process or even lead to NI joining with the republic within the EU.

[Gordon]

The whole thing with the Tories is now shambolic - this would never had happened had Malcolm Tucker been around.

[Nearly Sane]

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/government-to-struggle-on-without-duncan-smiths-warmth-and-charm-20160319107321

[Rhiannon]

Dear Lost in Politics, ( that's me Sane, not you )

I have to agree with this Paul Mason guy, Is it just me or do others agree, when other world leaders see Cameron approaching do they snigger, do they think, poor Britain being led by such a weak chinned wonder, is it shallow of me to think that our leader should have some kind of charisma, a back bone.

All this austerity bull shit and we are in it together nonsense, I doubt Cameron will be remembered for anything monumental, he just seems like a puppet, but whose puppet??

Gonnagle.

Gonners, I've long thought that Cameron is the face and Osborne the brains.

I agree with PD that Cameron could preside over the disintegration of GB & NI; the seeds of that were sown by previous administrations but he has mishandled it spectacularly.

Something else I agree with - I have no idea what Cameron stands for. The economic policies that drive just about everything are Osborne's; the only thing I can think of that appears to come close to a principled stand on his part was the introduction of marriage equality.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

The whole thing with the Tories is now shambolic - this would never had happened had Malcolm Tucker been around.

Tis true, they have crashed the car.

What happened to days when the budget was just about a bit on fags, a bit off a pint of beer.

Why do Osborne feel driven to budgets which are either Busby fucking Berkeley or Armageddon?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Gonners, I've long thought that Cameron is the face and Osborne the brains.

I agree with PD that Cameron could preside over the disintegration of GB & NI; the seeds of that were sown by previous administrations but he has mishandled it spectacularly.

Something else I agree with - I have no idea what Cameron stands for. The economic policies that drive just about everything are Osborne's; the only thing I can think of that appears to come close to a principled stand on his part was the introduction of marriage equality.

You're fooling yourself, that was to get an section of the vote antipathetic to his party to vote for him.

[ProfessorDavey]

You're fooling yourself, that was to get an section of the vote antipathetic to his party to vote for him.

I disagree - I think he genuinely believed in it - from a purely political perspective is wasn't a smart electoral move, on the basis that many of those most opposed were his own elderly right wingers - who always vote and were easy targets for UKIP.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Rhiannon,

Gonners, I've long thought that Cameron is the face and Osborne the brains.

You may well be right, which answers my question, Cameron is Osborne's puppet, you know!! I really should spend less time on this forum, I was shaving this morning and thought, I wish I could grow a beard like Gordon's and then having my fry up I thought, wonder what Shaker and Rhiannon with their vegetable terrorism think about my two slice of bacon

Gonnagle.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Profdavey,

I have to agree with Vlad, listening to the man in the House of Commons, watching him in the media, he doesn't come across as a man who is interested in anybodies human rights.

Gonnagle.

[SusanDoris]

Dear Profdavey,

I have to agree with Vlad, listening to the man in the House of Commons, watching him in the media, he doesn't come across as a man who is interested in anybodies human rights.

Gonnagle.

If you're referring to David Cameron here, I hope you bear in mind that this is a man who had a disabled child who died.

[L.A.]

Iain Duncan Smith resigns

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35848687

I don't think his actions have anything to do with benefits cuts - his actions are those of a suicide bomber attempting to destroy the IN campaign.

[floo]

I suspect Cameron might have his arm up his back to resign sooner rather than later. I believe he said at the beginning of this parliament he didn't intend to see it all the way through.

[Jack Knave]

Dear Lost in Politics, ( that's me Sane, not you )

I have to agree with this Paul Mason guy, Is it just me or do others agree, when other world leaders see Cameron approaching do they snigger, do they think, poor Britain being led by such a weak chinned wonder, is it shallow of me to think that our leader should have some kind of charisma, a back bone.

All this austerity bull shit and we are in it together nonsense, I doubt Cameron will be remembered for anything monumental, he just seems like a puppet, but whose puppet??

Gonnagle.

I think that is true for all Western leaders, they are a farce!

[Jack Knave]

Even a Euro Sceptic will pretend that the policies he has implemented might be something that he can resign in principle if he thinks it will put him in a better place post referendum.

And think this is probably it that he sees Osborne's PIP more as a death nail for the Cameron team and that after the referendum he can join the new PM's outfit. It could also be that the venom that has been going on behind closed doors over the years has added to his move.

[Hope]

I think the thread title is somewhat mistaken.  There would appear to be many more than one Tory who believe this.

[Hope]

Dear Lost in Politics, ( that's me Sane, not you )

I have to agree with this Paul Mason guy, Is it just me or do others agree, when other world leaders see Cameron approaching do they snigger, do they think, poor Britain being led by such a weak chinned wonder, is it shallow of me to think that our leader should have some kind of charisma, a back bone.

From what I've heard from many world leaders, Cameron is regarded pretty highly. Possibly more so than any of the previous Labour administration's leaders.  As for Scotland, it will be interesting to see what EU and other leaders think of whoever is leader of the SNP if and when Scotland ever decide to become independent.

All this austerity bull shit and we are in it together nonsense, I doubt Cameron will be remembered for anything monumental, he just seems like a puppet, but whose puppet??

The Tory Party's?

[jakswan]

I know many of you are hard lefties and can only demonise the Tories but IDS has dealt labour a pack of top trumps, you ought to be celebrating.

Perhaps now we'll get some proper opposition.

[Hope]

Perhaps now we'll get some proper opposition.

The SNP aren't strong enough on their own, jaks 

[wigginhall]

It is quite comical to see IDS complaining that the govt have been hurting the poor and the vulnerable.   Well, yes, you could say that.   It makes me think that there is more going on than disability benefits - well, obviously.   A power struggle, I suppose.   

If Remain win the referendum, then IDS was probably for the chop in any case, so he has jumped before being pushed.  If Leave win, presumably, IDS will be a top man.