Even a Tory thinks the Tories are going too far

[Jack Knave]

It is quite comical to see IDS complaining that the govt have been hurting the poor and the vulnerable.   Well, yes, you could say that.   It makes me think that there is more going on than disability benefits - well, obviously.   A power struggle, I suppose.   

If Remain win the referendum, then IDS was probably for the chop in any case, so he has jumped before being pushed.  If Leave win, presumably, IDS will be a top man.

I saw IDS on the Marr show and I believed what he said, that he resigned because of what Osborne has been doing at No. 11, which has derailed his departments efforts to reorganise the welfare state.

What is also obvious to me is that IDS is a victim of his own myopic, one-track-mind pet project carried out to an analistical degree. A project devoid of any connection with reality of today's circumstances. His demeanour came across to me as being similar to the manic ideological Leftie keeno's implementation of socialist's projects where they have lost touch with what is actually going on at ground level.

And I would have a similar analysis of Osborne too. Two deluded keenos with projects that jar against each other have finally moved the inner tensions to the outside world.

As someone has said the title of this thread is wrong, it is many Tories who disagree with the budget, and don't like Osborne, and with the tensions of the referendum the Tories look likely to a full blown civil war.

[Hope]

If Remain win the referendum, then IDS was probably for the chop in any case, so he has jumped before being pushed.  If Leave win, presumably, IDS will be a top man.

I'd disagree, wiggs; I think that if Remain win, Cameron would be wanting to populate any post-referendum cabinet with a wide selection of Tories, so as to help keep the party together.  In fact, several commentators seemed to be saying this on Radio 5's Piennar's Politics this morning (or at least the 20 minute segment I heard).

[Jack Knave]

I'd disagree, wiggs; I think that if Remain win, Cameron would be wanting to populate any post-referendum cabinet with a wide selection of Tories, so as to help keep the party together.  In fact, several commentators seemed to be saying this on Radio 5's Piennar's Politics this morning (or at least the 20 minute segment I heard).

I think it depends on the margin of the win. Even with a slight win I think Cameron is out or at least a battle for domination will take place. I forget how many Tory MPs are required for a leadership contest but with around 140 Outers there are plenty to choose from.

[jeremyp]

If Leave win, presumably, IDS will be a top man.

Who can forget the last time he was top man? Well, practically everybody, which was the whole problem.

[Jack Knave]

Listening to all the talk about this issue in the media it could be that IDS actually planned this whole adventure before the budget. There have been rumours that he had thought about resigning about a year ago, so the dislike of Osborne has at least been brewing from then, or reached near breaking point. Also it is thought that his pet project was pretty much over and he could get the chop after the referendum, especially if the Inners win.

He knew that Ossy was using the Welfare budget as a cash cow and could have offered him these latest plans as bait; knowing that he couldn't resist such an offer and that after the tax credit farce this would heap even more disgrace on the guy. As Cameron is tied in with Osborne and are both Remainers he could, by this move, try to kill two birds with one stone - stab Ossy in the back and get him to lose all credibility, and to stain the two big voices of the Remain campaign by showing them to be heartless to the poor and vulnerable, thereby, making people react against them and the EU when ever they speak on the subject.

A third possible bonus would be that if the Leavers win then he could get back into the cabinet and power. Of course this would mean Cameron would have to stand down early.

[wigginhall]

There is an obvious solution to funding people with disability, and this is to simplify life.  For example, those in wheelchairs could be given chairs with just one wheel.   Just think, they would learn new skills in balancing, and we would end up with a brilliant Paralympic team.

Similarly, those who need help with washing and toilet could also simplify.   For example, washing once every two days is perfectly adequate, and going to the toilet, well, once a day should be OK.

Just think of the money saved!  We could reward all those hard-working bankers and other executives, so they could enjoy their holidays in the sun, well, they need it after working hard for Britain. 

[jakswan]

There is an obvious solution to funding people with disability, and this is to simplify life.  For example, those in wheelchairs could be given chairs with just one wheel.   Just think, they would learn new skills in balancing, and we would end up with a brilliant Paralympic team.

Similarly, those who need help with washing and toilet could also simplify.   For example, washing once every two days is perfectly adequate, and going to the toilet, well, once a day should be OK.

Just think of the money saved!  We could reward all those hard-working bankers and other executives, so they could enjoy their holidays in the sun, well, they need it after working hard for Britain.

Yep those on the right all think that, I'm in the middle so not a good guy either. I should listen to the hard left and cuddle the terrorists, lets sit around the campfire and sing kum ba yah in between we can demonise those that disagree with us and all agree that mother love and apple pie are the way to go.

[SqueakyVoice]

Yep those on the right all think that, I'm in the middle so not a good guy either. I should listen to the hard left and cuddle the terrorists, lets sit around the campfire and sing kum ba yah in between we can demonise those that disagree with us and all agree that mother love and apple pie are the way to go.

Wow! From "cuddle the terrorists" to "demonise those that disagree with us" in under one sentence.
That's the sort of cognitive dissonance that would make most YECs heads spin.

[jakswan]

Wow! From "cuddle the terrorists" to "demonise those that disagree with us" in under one sentence.
That's the sort of cognitive dissonance that would make most YECs heads spin.

That's the hard left for you.

[Jack Knave]

There is an obvious solution to funding people with disability, and this is to simplify life.  For example, those in wheelchairs could be given chairs with just one wheel.   Just think, they would learn new skills in balancing, and we would end up with a brilliant Paralympic team.

Similarly, those who need help with washing and toilet could also simplify.   For example, washing once every two days is perfectly adequate, and going to the toilet, well, once a day should be OK.

Just think of the money saved!  We could reward all those hard-working bankers and other executives, so they could enjoy their holidays in the sun, well, they need it after working hard for Britain.

I think the Tories have a job for you at No.11. I hear the present guy there is on the way out. Not Leftfield but great Rightfield thinking, Wiggy! I could go for PM!  We'd make a great team, Knave and Wiggy.....wat da ya fink?

[Jack Knave]

Yep those on the right all think that, I'm in the middle so not a good guy either. I should listen to the hard left and cuddle the terrorists, lets sit around the campfire and sing kum ba yah in between we can demonise those that disagree with us and all agree that mother love and apple pie are the way to go.

Are you running for the White House? President Jaks...has a certain ring to it, don't you think?

[Nearly Sane]

And his replacement thinks homosexuality can be 'cured'