The 'Truth'

[floo]

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[Sassy]

The fundie/Biblical literalists Christians just love to tell the rest of us that they have the 'truth', but can't provide the slightest bit of verifiable evidence to substantiate their claim.

Again an ignorant statement because you do not know what Christians claim to be the truth.
Here is a clue for you:-


King James Bible
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
King James Bible
For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
King James Bible
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


So Christ is the evidence to substantiate the claim. The truth is you have nothing to substantiate your claim.

The fact that millions of people claim to be Christians doesn't make the religion true, a statement which has been made many times to try to convince non believers. No doubt people of other religions believe their faiths are true too, whilst yet again not being able to verify their beliefs are factual.

Like saying " Because God claims to be God doesn't make it true."
What makes a person a Christian and what do they claim which would not make the religion true or do you mean real?

I have come to the conclusion the 'truth' is exclusive to the person concerned, however far fetched it might be to other people. It is fine for people to believe what they wish to believe, with the proviso that they don't force it down the throats of others in the real world, and don't use it as an excuse for bigotry and abuse.

Aren't you doing that very thing with believers here. Ramming down their throats your none belief whilst making statements which show no knowledge of their actual beliefs. Are you not bigoted against God and don't you abuse believers by claiming their faith to have no substance when all around the world people are being cured everyday by Gods power both in prayer and the laying on of hands claiming the very promises of God.

[Stranger]

So Christ is the evidence to substantiate the claim.

Christ is a character in an old book who may or may not have been based on a real person. It is not evidence of anything other than somebody wrote the stories.

I suggest looking up the word evidence...

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/evidence
The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

[Sassy]

Christ is a character in an old book who may or may not have been based on a real person. It is not evidence of anything other than somebody wrote the stories.

I suggest looking up the word evidence...

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/evidence
The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

Explain the evidence of God, in truth through his word to the believer.

You see how you perceive evidence?  Isn't the things about science and theory received on faith by you.
There is absolutely no way categorically you can produce evidence for the things believed about space, the universe and even our milkyway. But you believe them to be truth. The big bang theory is useless in that it cannot tell you what existed before it and therefore how it came into existence. Till you can produce your evidence to believe what you do, you must accept that our evidence known and believed only by us, is acceptable too.

[Stranger]

Explain the evidence of God, in truth through his word to the believer.

Some people made up a story and others believe it.

You see how you perceive evidence?  Isn't the things about science and theory received on faith by you.
There is absolutely no way categorically you can produce evidence for the things believed about space, the universe and even our milkyway. But you believe them to be truth.

The evidence for the conclusions of science are a matter of public record; experiments and observations performed, hypotheses produced and tested; test hypotheses becoming theories. Very often followed by technology based on them such as you are using.

The big bang theory is useless in that it cannot tell you what existed before it and therefore how it came into existence. Till you can produce your evidence to believe what you do, you must accept that our evidence known and believed only by us, is acceptable too.

The big bang theory is about the universe expanding from a hot dense phase about 14 billion years ago. It makes no pretence at being anything else.

Us not knowing what happened before (or even if 'before' is a sensible concept), does not render it 'useless' nor does it lend credence to your favourite myths.

[Sassy]

Some people made up a story and others believe it.

In that being the case, then why don't you? Not an answer really. I guess the thing is what is fiction and what is reality.
We both know when it comes to the bible there is no way to find out but to do as it tells us. Have you done it? Well then you are no in a position to claim it just as story.

The evidence for the conclusions of science are a matter of public record; experiments and observations performed, hypotheses produced and tested; test hypotheses becoming theories. Very often followed by technology based on them such as you are using.

Man made words, man made reasoning, man made defifinitions... getting the picture now?
Still not evidence and theories remain theories in the face of no solid evidence.

The big bang theory is about the universe expanding from a hot dense phase about 14 billion years ago. It makes no pretence at being anything else.

Hot dense phase of what? No proof you see even the scientist claim they know nothing of what existed before the big bang. So where did you learn the HOT DENSE PHASE from?

Us not knowing what happened before (or even if 'before' is a sensible concept), does not render it 'useless' nor does it lend credence to your favourite myths.

It still renders it more of a myth and not factual than the bible. Jesus Christ tells us to obey his words and we will know if his words are his or come from God. You need more faith to believe in a big bang than Christians do to believe Gods word.

[Sebastian Toe]

...... theories remain theories in the face of no solid evidence.

...actually theories remain theories even with solid evidence.

Truth us that you know so little about science as demonstrated by your replies on the subject!

[john]

“An ant eater in Noah’s Ark Complaints Department: “You only brought two ants!” – AMB

Pinched from The Freethinker........ says it all really.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

The fundie/Biblical literalists Christians just love to tell the rest of us that they have the 'truth', but can't provide the slightest bit of verifiable evidence to substantiate their claim. The fact that millions of people claim to be Christians doesn't make the religion true,

It's funny then that a fall in Church attendance proves that there is no God

[floo]

Again an ignorant statement because you do not know what Christians claim to be the truth.
Here is a clue for you:-


King James Bible
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
King James Bible
For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
King James Bible
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


So Christ is the evidence to substantiate the claim. The truth is you have nothing to substantiate your claim.

Like saying " Because God claims to be God doesn't make it true."
What makes a person a Christian and what do they claim which would not make the religion true or do you mean real?

Aren't you doing that very thing with believers here. Ramming down their throats your none belief whilst making statements which show no knowledge of their actual beliefs. Are you not bigoted against God and don't you abuse believers by claiming their faith to have no substance when all around the world people are being cured everyday by Gods power both in prayer and the laying on of hands claiming the very promises of God.

I am definitely bigoted against evil, which the god character in that not so good book appears to be!

[Stranger]

Sassy, I find trying to disentangle your barely literate ramblings rather tedious but this stood out:-

...even the scientist claim they know nothing of what existed before the big bang.

So what?

The existence of an unknown does not indicate that any old 'just so' story or myth is the answer.

The idea that pointing out gaps in our knowledge supports their case, really is one of the silliest theist beliefs.

[floo]

Sassy, I find trying to disentangle your barely literate ramblings rather tedious but this stood out:-

So what?

The existence of an unknown does not indicate that any old 'just so' story or myth is the answer.

The idea that pointing out gaps in our knowledge supports their case, really is one of the silliest theist beliefs.

Agreed

[Leonard James]

The idea that pointing out gaps in our knowledge supports their case, really is one of the silliest theist beliefs.

Happily, science is relentlessly removing the gaps, and finally there will be nothing left to cling to ... so religious claims will sink into oblivion!

[floo]

Happily, science is relentlessly removing the gaps, and finally there will be nothing left to cling to ... so religious claims will sink into oblivion!

Oh I don't know, people like Sass may always want to hold onto fantasies!

[Leonard James]

Oh I don't know, people like Sass may always want to hold onto fantasies!

I suppose so! Anything rather than face the fact that death is the end of us. 

[Sassy]

...actually theories remain theories even with solid evidence.

Truth us that you know so little about science as demonstrated by your replies on the subject!

What your answer clearly shows is that you did not read the posts of that conversation.
Your ignorance is almost deafening....

[Sassy]

Sassy, I find trying to disentangle your barely literate ramblings rather tedious but this stood out:-

So what?

The existence of an unknown does not indicate that any old 'just so' story or myth is the answer.

The idea that pointing out gaps in our knowledge supports their case, really is one of the silliest theist beliefs.

Don't blame everyone else for your own failings when it comes to understanding the bible.
Fact is you think insult covers the fact everyone knows that it is your own lack of knowledge which renders you ignorant and unable to answer, not anything written by any Christian poster.

When you understand what we are discussing come back by all means. But don't waste our time replying with BS

[ippy]

Again an ignorant statement because you do not know what Christians claim to be the truth.
Here is a clue for you:-


King James Bible
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
King James Bible
For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
King James Bible
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


So Christ is the evidence to substantiate the claim. The truth is you have nothing to substantiate your claim.

Like saying " Because God claims to be God doesn't make it true."
What makes a person a Christian and what do they claim which would not make the religion true or do you mean real?

Aren't you doing that very thing with believers here. Ramming down their throats your none belief whilst making statements which show no knowledge of their actual beliefs. Are you not bigoted against God and don't you abuse believers by claiming their faith to have no substance when all around the world people are being cured everyday by Gods power both in prayer and the laying on of hands claiming the very promises of God.

Sass, let's have the proof, a link of any kind to a realistic source, i.e. no godhead organisations ideas about truth.

ippy

[ippy]

In that being the case, then why don't you? Not an answer really. I guess the thing is what is fiction and what is reality.
We both know when it comes to the bible there is no way to find out but to do as it tells us. Have you done it? Well then you are no in a position to claim it just as story.

Man made words, man made reasoning, man made defifinitions... getting the picture now?
Still not evidence and theories remain theories in the face of no solid evidence.

Hot dense phase of what? No proof you see even the scientist claim they know nothing of what existed before the big bang. So where did you learn the HOT DENSE PHASE from?
It still renders it more of a myth and not factual than the bible. Jesus Christ tells us to obey his words and we will know if his words are his or come from God. You need more faith to believe in a big bang than Christians do to believe Gods word.

Sass, your posts would be a lot better if you were to preface them with a scattering of, I believes, then they couldn't be faulted, you're entitled to believe whatever you like, but believing shouldn't be confused with saying you know something to be the truth, assertions don't count for anything, they really don't count.

ippy
 

[floo]

What your answer clearly shows is that you did not read the posts of that conversation.
Your ignorance is almost deafening....

Talking to yourself again, Sass.

[floo]

Don't blame everyone else for your own failings when it comes to understanding the bible.
Fact is you think insult covers the fact everyone knows that it is your own lack of knowledge which renders you ignorant and unable to answer, not anything written by any Christian poster.

When you understand what we are discussing come back by all means. But don't waste our time replying with BS

Take your own advice.

[Sebastian Toe]

What your answer clearly shows is that you did not read the posts of that conversation.
Your ignorance is almost deafening....

Well if mine is 'almost', yours is absolutely doorpost-like!

[Leonard James]

Don't blame everyone else for your own failings when it comes to understanding the bible.
Fact is you think insult covers the fact everyone knows that it is your own lack of knowledge which renders you ignorant and unable to answer, not anything written by any Christian poster.

When you understand what we are discussing come back by all means. But don't waste our time replying with BS

What monstrous, ignorant conceit! What gives you the right to assume that your own interpretation of the Bible is correct and anything else is wrong? For heavens' sake try to be a little more humble, and not so puffed-up with yourself.

[jeremyp]

“An ant eater in Noah’s Ark Complaints Department: “You only brought two ants!” – AMB

Pinched from The Freethinker........ says it all really.

The whole Noah's Ark story is blown wide open when we think about the implications of the following question:

 "why is there still syphilis?"

[OH MY WORLD!]

This rebirth thread is just an old cartoon floo does, over and over and over, year after year. She has no credibility when writing about truth.



kind of,
 Firstly, you are as arrogant as that godless atheist Shaker. Just about puked when I read your complaint of barley being able to disentangle. That stinks so much of Shaker my eyes started to water and my skin became itchy.

However, I do thank you for making me laugh. Your remark on the unknown not indication a myth or an old story is the answer.
Well kind of, the Dickster does have a myth about that and he loves to preach it. Want to to hear? Here we go.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL7CCyuXAS4