The 'Truth'

[Maeght]

Sassy, how about you stop saying everyone else is ignorant and actually listen to what is being said for a change.

[Ricky Spanish]

Again an ignorant statement because you do not know what Christians claim to be the truth.
Here is a clue for you:-


King James Bible
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Written by some Greek bloke 60-90 years after the death of Jesus.

King James Bible
For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

Written by some Greek bloke some 60-90 years after the death of his protagonist, who he had never seen let alone met.

But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Written by some Greek bloke 60-90 years after his hero passed away, who obviously liked to tell a story and created a unique theosophy over the time it took him to create his main character.

King James Bible
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Again it has to be pointed out that this Greek bloke had never seen Jesus let alone met him and was writing his stuff a good 60-90 years after his Christ walked the earth. So all he could do was put words into his characters mouth, make up shit that sounds good and have Jesus say them.

So Christ is the evidence to substantiate the claim. The truth is you have nothing to substantiate your claim.

We have no proof that Jesus said any of the shit yon Greek bloke says he does. The Greek bloke wasn't there to hear any of it.

All we have is what is known as Hearsay!!

[floo]

I post on a couple of other forums where the Biblical literalists are so crazy, they must live on a planet far away from the real world.

[Brownie]

In the past I have been accused of 'being on another planet'.  Wish I could go there now, nothing wrong with a bit of escapism.  My planet wasn't all about religion but each to their own.

[Alan Burns]

I post on a couple of other forums where the Biblical literalists are so crazy, they must live on a planet far away from the real world.

If you did somehow exist on a planet far away from this "real world" you would realise just how hostile the nature of this universe is, and how oblivious we are to the terrifying nature of true reality. 

[SusanDoris]

If you did somehow exist on a planet far away from this "real world" you would realise just how hostile the nature of this universe is, and how oblivious we are to the terrifying nature of true reality.

Explain what you mean by reality's 'terrifying nature'.

[Sassy]

Sassy, how about you stop saying everyone else is ignorant and actually listen to what is being said for a change.

How about you read the posts properly and fully and realise we are talking about CHRISTIAN facts and even posted proof.
But you somehow cannot see the forest for the trees.
Stop making stupid remarks due to your own problem of not being able to establish truth because you haven't a clue to what the truth is being discussed.

[Sassy]

Written by some Greek bloke 60-90 years after the death of Jesus.Written by some Greek bloke some 60-90 years after the death of his protagonist, who he had never seen let alone met.
Written by some Greek bloke 60-90 years after his hero passed away, who obviously liked to tell a story and created a unique theosophy over the time it took him to create his main character.

Again it has to be pointed out that this Greek bloke had never seen Jesus let alone met him and was writing his stuff a good 60-90 years after his Christ walked the earth. So all he could do was put words into his characters mouth, make up shit that sounds good and have Jesus say them.


We have no proof that Jesus said any of the shit yon Greek bloke says he does. The Greek bloke wasn't there to hear any of it.

All we have is what is known as Hearsay!!

Instead of pronouncing it, hearsay. Why not do as Christ said and then come back and tell us if he was telling the truth.
If you at least obeyed his words you know if he is telling the truth and if God was speaking through him. As it is, you have no wish to know if God or Christ are real. In fact you never wanted to know because then you have to face the truth about yourself.
Stop harping on about hearsay because until you are willing and wanting to do what it takes to know the truth, then you simply have no reason for studying it, in the first instance.

[Maeght]

How about you read the posts properly and fully and realise we are talking about CHRISTIAN facts and even posted proof

I know that's what you are talking about. I realise that many people posting hear are not Christian so may not have the same feel or knowledge about Christianity that a Christian does - which is why I don't post about Christian facts. My point was it is not helpful to just call people ignorant but better to try to take in what they are saying and understand if they are talking about Christian facts or not.

But you somehow cannot see the forest for the trees.Stop making stupid remarks due to your own problem of not being able to establish truth because you haven't a clue to what the truth is being discussed.

What stupid remarks have I made. Please give examples.

[ippy]

It's funny then that a fall in Church attendance proves that there is no God

No not funny really, it's just that people are better educated now days, anything you need to find out the answers for are only a few clicks away it's no longer that easy to pull the wool over the eyes as it used to be, no small wonder the exponential falls in attendance.

ippy

[Khatru]

We both know when it comes to the bible there is no way to find out but to do as it tells us.

The Bible tells you to stone adulterers to death.

Do you do that?

We both know when it comes to the bible there is no way to find out but to do as it tells us.

Not just the Bible but every single other "holy book" which men claim was written/inspired by the supreme cosmic mega-being.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

The Bible tells you to stone adulterers to death.

But it also says ''let him who is without sin cast the first stone''.

You've hit the ground running with your Bible editing scissors haven't you Kahtru

[Brownie]

Quote: Leviticus 20:10
King James Bible (I am using the KJV on this occasion as it was 'there first', but it so happens it says the same as other versions, differently worded)
And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
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Old Testament teachings, Mosaic.  We do not ignore them, they were put in place for a purpose, but can only be read in the light of the teachings of the New Testament.  Jesus wouldn't have stoned anyone, he'd have forgiven them and encouraged them not to do it again.  Quite right too.

[Stranger]

But it also says ''let him who is without sin cast the first stone''.

...and it tells us how to test for an unfaithful wife: Numbers 5:11-29.

[Sebastian Toe]

But it also says ''let him who is without sin cast the first stone''.

If someone who believes that they are without sin, actually casts the first stone, then it's OK for everyone else to join in?

[Khatru]

But it also says ''let him who is without sin cast the first stone''.

You've hit the ground running with your Bible editing scissors haven't you Kahtru

Nope, just call it another of the many contradictions found throughout the Bible.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

If someone who believes that they are without sin, actually casts the first stone, then it's OK for everyone else to join in?

If they are at you Seb then yes.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Nope, just call it another of the many contradictions found throughout the Bible.

Snip Snip goes the editor.

[Khatru]

Snip Snip goes the editor.

Put it alongside the bit that you snipped...

But it also says ''let him who is without sin cast the first stone''.

[Brownie]

If someone who believes that they are without sin, actually casts the first stone, then it's OK for everyone else to join in?

 

There are some who are so arrogant.  I doubt they would be so in the presence of Jesus, Sebastian.

[floo]

Anyone who thinks they are better than others, as some appear to do, need a reality check. None of us are faultless that is for sure.

[Sebastian Toe]

If they are at you Seb then yes.

...and if not me?

[Sebastian Toe]

There are some who are so arrogant.  I doubt they would be so in the presence of Jesus, Sebastian.

Let's hope he's there if it ever happens then eh?

[~TW~]

The fundie/Biblical literalists Christians just love to tell the rest of us that they have the 'truth', but can't provide the slightest bit of verifiable evidence to substantiate their claim. The fact that millions of people claim to be Christians doesn't make the religion true, a statement which has been made many times to try to convince non believers. No doubt people of other religions believe their faiths are true too, whilst yet again not being able to verify their beliefs are factual.

I have come to the conclusion the 'truth' is exclusive to the person concerned, however far fetched it might be to other people. It is fine for people to believe what they wish to believe, with the proviso that they don't force it down the throats of others in the real world, and don't use it as an excuse for bigotry and abuse.

So why do you force your bigotry and beliefs on other people.

                ~TW~

[Shaker]

She doesn't.