The 'Truth'

[Khatru]

I gave you mine yes I agree.What is wrong with you people cant you read.
~TW

There you go, it's plain to see that you're incapable of thinking for yourself and that you need to be told what to think.  Which explains why you can't buttress the biblical statement with any supporting evidence.

Now contrast your failure to do that with my success at disproving what your god claims.

He says every unbeliever is corrupt, abominable and never does anything good.

Look at how Bob Geldof's efforts have led to millions of saved lives.  That's good.

Now look at how your warped beliefs have got you denying the good work he did and calling him a corrupt fool.  That's evil.

Try thinking for yourself sometime.

[~TW~]

There you go, it's plain to see that you're incapable of thinking for yourself and that you need to be told what to think.  Which explains why you can't buttress the biblical statement with any supporting evidence.

Now contrast your failure to do that with my success at disproving what your god claims.

He says every unbeliever is corrupt, abominable and never does anything good.

Look at how Bob Geldof's efforts have led to millions of saved lives.  That's good.

Now look at how your warped beliefs have got you denying the good work he did and calling him a corrupt fool.  That's evil.

Try thinking for yourself sometime.

 Rubbish.
~TW~

[BeRational]

It's correct not rubbish.

You cannot present your reasons for your belief in a god.

Why is that?

[Khatru]

Rubbish.
~TW~

Good rebuttal

I can see your faith has enabled you to skillfully deploy logic and reason to devastating effect by way of refutation.

[Hope]

There you go, it's plain to see that you're incapable of thinking for yourself and that you need to be told what to think.  Which explains why you can't buttress the biblical statement with any supporting evidence.

Can you explain why you are equally unable to buttress any of your claims with any supporting evidence?

[Stranger]

Rubbish.
~TW~

Is not thinking a requirement of your religious cult, or is it just you?

[Sassy]

You need to demonstrate that a god exists.
You should not believe stuff because it MIGHT be true.
ANYTHING MIGHT be true.

In the case of Mankind and God. what is the ANYTHING which MIGHT BE TRUE.
IT would have to include God made us. Because we did not make ourselves as the need for a man and a woman to procreate shows.

Not knowing something does not mean MAKE UP AND ANSWER. It simply means you do not know.

Why are you so afraid of not knowing?

We are not making up the answer... The tower of Babel shows how God scattered the people all over the world giving them different tongues so they could not understand each other, each to their own Country. However in every Country and even the remotest tribes found living isolated from the rest of mankind all know and believe in A God who created the world and man.

Sometimes the evidence itself, is the most astounding clues we have. That all places know of a God who created us.
Even a flood is universally accepted in the world as we know it amongst those people.
So the evidence would suggest that God was there at the beginning and that all mankind in every nation knew it.

[Sassy]

BR et al,

You can ask as much as you like, but the answer is always the same: they believe in "God" because a book they choose to believe is correct tells them to. That's it: there's no argument, no evidence, no anything beyond that circular reasoning. The closest they will ever get to breaking the circle is to look for imaginary holes in the science so as to jemmy their god into them, but that's it.

Really, that's it.

Again the child who really hasn't a clue is trying to tell the adults what's what.
 

[Rhiannon]

Can you explain why you are equally unable to buttress any of your claims with any supporting evidence?

Hope, you and I are in an empty room save the air that we breathe. I say to you, there's nothing here, and we can both see that.

You say, no, God is here. But I can't see God and unlike the air there is no objectively measurable or discernible effects of God's presence.

Can you see why I don't need to prove that God isn't there and you do?

[Sassy]

Do you at least admit that you have no logical sound reasoning underpinning your belief in a god?

Seems a bit daft to ask that when you have no logical sound reasoning, giving your belief in science and astrology that
you have no none for not believing. What you see is your own reasoning and in the light we exist in this Galaxy and no life anywhere else, means we didn't just happen. Because science has no reason other than God for why we exist at all.

If so then there is nothing to discuss.

BUT, if you think you have a logical sound reason, then you need to put up or shut up.

No it is you talking about logical and sound reasoning. Given the fact we exist then it is you who has to put up or shut up.
Prove using sound logical reasoning that God does not exist.
See what I mean it is you who needs to put up or shut up but you can't, can you?

[Sassy]

Running away again?

Why can't you provide even a hint of a rational argument for your god?

God provided a rational and sound evidence.
Do as Christ says and if you obey him you will find his words are true and from whence they came.
Truth is that like BR and many others you DON'T follow the way in which to find out. No ones fault but your own.
It also shows you all have closed minds because you don't want to go the way shown to you and yet keep asking the way.
Shut up because the truth shows you cannot put up and do not know or want to know the truth.

[Stranger]

Seems a bit daft to ask that when you have no logical sound reasoning, giving your belief in science and astrology that
you have no none for not believing. What you see is your own reasoning and in the light we exist in this Galaxy and no life anywhere else, means we didn't just happen. Because science has no reason other than God for why we exist at all.
No it is you talking about logical and sound reasoning. Given the fact we exist then it is you who has to put up or shut up.
Prove using sound logical reasoning that God does not exist.
See what I mean it is you who needs to put up or shut up but you can't, can you?

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

[Sassy]

Hope, you and I are in an empty room save the air that we breathe. I say to you, there's nothing here, and we can both see that.

You say, no, God is here. But I can't see God and unlike the air there is no objectively measurable or discernible effects of God's presence.

Can you see why I don't need to prove that God isn't there and you do?

No rubbish... you have to prove why you and Hope are both there....

There in lies the answer why God is more likely to exist... Because in a void called SPACE there is no life and you cannot live outside the earths atmosphere. Which means that only God a creator could have put mankind here and provided for us.
Truth is that without God you would not exist... Until you can prove how and why mankind exists then the only possible answer since mankind has existed is that God was there at the beginning and more importantly will be there at your end.

[Khatru]

Can you explain why you are equally unable to buttress any of your claims with any supporting evidence?

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Actually, I just did.

TW believes that every sinfle non-believer is a corrupt fool who never does anything good.  He believes it to be true because no less an entity than the supreme cosmic mega-being has sanctioned the statement.

I pointed out the wonderful work and many lives saved through the work of Bob Geldof, a famous non-believer.

That is good supporting evidence of an unbeliever doing something very good indeed.

It also puts the lie to both the scripture in question and TW's belief.

Which explains his singular failure to refute me.

[Stranger]

No rubbish... you have to prove why you and Hope are both there....

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

[Sassy]

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

PROVE GOD DOES NOT EXIST... BY PROVING WHY WE EXIST IN THIS VOID AND LIFELESS PLACE CALLED SPACE.
NO SCIENCE HAS EVER PROVEN THAT.
There is NO SUCH THING AS AN ARGUMENT FROM IGNORANCE is is manmade and created. However God exists even in tribes which have been undiscovered till recent times. It creates the proof above all that man has always know there was a God because he was there at the beginning and ever race has known that however isolated and undiscovered by the rest of the world they have been until now.


Now stop this stupid illogical reasoning and show us evidence... The only acceptable evidence from you is to PROVE GOD DOES NOT EXIST... God has shown you through Christ what to do to find him. If you don't do it then you have to admit you are wrong till you do and closed minded. Because others who have done what he says have found him.

[Sassy]

Can we stop with all the stupid excuses and manmade arguments they really only show atheists clutching at straws.
Straw men arguments which show they have no real logical reasoning for their disbelief given the world around them.

If anyone is lacking in support and evidence then it is the atheists point of view.

So stupid to believe they can argue God does not exist in the light of they themselves exist in an otherwise empty void called space.

Seems they are willing to cling to any argument really fooling themselves that they actually have something to argue with.
If you do as God and Christ tells you, you will know if exists. Until you do you are not in a position to argue or call yourselves open minded... Because those who seek truth act on information provided. Till every atheist has acted on the words of God and Christ then they are no truth seekers and are not being honest when it comes to wanting to know if there is a God.

So when you have done as God tells you, let us know. TILL YOU DO, YOU CANNOT ARGUE AGAINST HIS EXISTENCE.

[Rhiannon]

Sass, by your logic Bran the Blessed is real and his head is buried at Tower Hill. Nobody has proven otherwise.

[Stranger]

PROVE GOD DOES NOT EXIST... BY PROVING WHY WE EXIST IN THIS VOID AND LIFELESS PLACE CALLED SPACE.
NO SCIENCE HAS EVER PROVEN THAT.
There is NO SUCH THING AS AN ARGUMENT FROM IGNORANCE is is manmade and created. However God exists even in tribes which have been undiscovered till recent times. It creates the proof above all that man has always know there was a God because he was there at the beginning and ever race has known that however isolated and undiscovered by the rest of the world they have been until now.


Now stop this stupid illogical reasoning and show us evidence... The only acceptable evidence from you is to PROVE GOD DOES NOT EXIST... God has shown you through Christ what to do to find him. If you don't do it then you have to admit you are wrong till you do and closed minded. Because others who have done what he says have found him.

Either you think logic is valid - in which case your argument is illogical (argument from ignorance), or you don't think logic is valid and your accusation that others are being illogical is absurd.

Please try to think.

[floo]

Sass and her clone TW appear to be devoid of any kind of logic.

[~TW~]

Sass and her clone TW appear to be devoid of any kind of logic.

 Floo you were told your job is to make the tea,other then that you should not make any comments the seconds are ticking away,and you are in enough trouble as it is don't compound matters. 
~TW~

[Shaker]

PROVE GOD DOES NOT EXIST... BY PROVING WHY WE EXIST IN THIS VOID AND LIFELESS PLACE CALLED SPACE.
NO SCIENCE HAS EVER PROVEN THAT.

Does Hope know that you're driving the negative proof fallacy today?

There is NO SUCH THING AS AN ARGUMENT FROM IGNORANCE

How strange, then, that here you are using it.

[~TW~]

Does Hope know that you're driving the negative proof fallacy today?
How strange, then, that here you are using it.

Then why in your ignorance do you say this is wrong
                                                                                                http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-thermodynamics.html
~TW~

[~TW~]

Does Hope know that you're driving the negative proof fallacy today?
How strange, then, that here you are using it.

 Then why in your ignorance do you say this is wrong
                                                                                                http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-thermodynamics.html
~TW~

[floo]

Floo you were told your job is to make the tea,other then that you should not make any comments the seconds are ticking away,and you are in enough trouble as it is don't compound matters. 
~TW~

Get some help with your problems TW, they are getting worse.