The 'Truth'

[Brownie]

floo:  "TW and Sass who claim to be Christians..."

I know Sass is a Christian but am not sure about TW whose remarks are sometimes so outre.  Makes life interesting!

Inviting people to join a forum is something I no longer do.  Going back several years, which you will remember floo, I invited someone from the old BBC forum to join the original Premier forum (which you invited me to join).  I thought he would find it more his sort of thing than the BBC as practically everyone was a Christian.  I don't want to name names but he was the person whose name began with J, he preached and posted in capital letters!  He lasted a very short while before being banned and seems to have disappeared' I've never invited anyone again, to the best of my memory.

This is quite a good forum imo, something for everyone.

[~TW~]

floo:  "TW and Sass who claim to be Christians..."

I know Sass is a Christian but am not sure about TW whose remarks are sometimes so outre.  Makes life interesting!

Inviting people to join a forum is something I no longer do.  Going back several years, which you will remember floo, I invited someone from the old BBC forum to join the original Premier forum (which you invited me to join).  I thought he would find it more his sort of thing than the BBC as practically everyone was a Christian.  I don't want to name names but he was the person whose name began with J, he preached and posted in capital letters!  He lasted a very short while before being banned and seems to have disappeared' I've never invited anyone again, to the best of my memory.

This is quite a good forum imo, something for everyone.

 Trust me Brownie I am a Christian and I have turned the cheek to many times on here so you Christ haters will now receive what you ask for.The thing that gets me is you love to give it out,but you cant take it  and the outright dishonesty is shocking.

  Dr ~TW~

[Stranger]

The thing that gets me is you love to give it out,but you cant take it  and the outright dishonesty is shocking.

Laughable and hypocritical.

In recent days your questions have been answered, you have been presented with reasoned responses, you have been repeatedly invited to provide evidence and reasoning of our own, and instead, you have blustered, engaged in puerile insults and told blatant lies.

If your aim was to give the impression that your religion requires ignorance, stupidity and dishonesty; congratulations, you have succeeded.

[BeRational]

Trust me Brownie I am a Christian and I have turned the cheek to many times on here so you Christ haters will now receive what you ask for.The thing that gets me is you love to give it out,but you cant take it  and the outright dishonesty is shocking.

  Dr ~TW~

Who hates Christ?

Not me.

[floo]

Trust me Brownie I am a Christian and I have turned the cheek to many times on here so you Christ haters will now receive what you ask for.The thing that gets me is you love to give it out,but you cant take it  and the outright dishonesty is shocking.

  Dr ~TW~

When did you ever turn the other cheek, that is a porky? I don't hate Jesus, he was probably an ok guy, but just very human like the rest of us.

[Gordon]

Moderator:

TW

I've removed several recent posts from this thread that contained demeaning comments from yourself (or quotes of your posts) in which you imply others here are mentally ill - please find other ways to express your views.

[Shaker]

Trust me Brownie I am a Christian

Cunningly concealed, I must say.

[~TW~]

When did you ever turn the other cheek, that is a porky? I don't hate Jesus, he was probably an ok guy, but just very human like the rest of us.

An opinion of an ok guy is not good enough.If he was not who he said he was,he is a fruit cake and a deceiver of the worst kind.Also you do not believe who he said he was, so this ok guy of yours is a figment of your twisted imagination,and no use to anyone,this ok guy of yours needs to be locked up as a madman.

          Dr ~TW~

[~TW~]

Moderator:

TW

I've removed several recent posts from this thread that contained demeaning comments from yourself (or quotes of your posts) in which you imply others here are mentally ill - please find other ways to express your views.

I will try but it is very hard.If only these people were consistent.

 ~TW~

[Shaker]

An opinion of an ok guy is not good enough.If he was not who he said he was,he is a fruit cake and a deceiver of the worst kind.

Or genuinely mistaken, of course.

this ok guy of yours needs to be locked up as a madman.

Having been dead for two thousand years that will be tricky.

[BeRational]

An opinion of an ok guy is not good enough.If he was not who he said he was,he is a fruit cake and a deceiver of the worst kind.Also you do not believe who he said he was, so this ok guy of yours is a figment of your twisted imagination,and no use to anyone,this ok guy of yours needs to be locked up as a madman.

          Dr ~TW~

All you read about him are claims by OTHERS of what he said and did.

How can you be sure they are accurate?

[floo]

An opinion of an ok guy is not good enough.If he was not who he said he was,he is a fruit cake and a deceiver of the worst kind.Also you do not believe who he said he was, so this ok guy of yours is a figment of your twisted imagination,and no use to anyone,this ok guy of yours needs to be locked up as a madman.

          Dr ~TW~

I suspect that most of what was written about Jesus was concocted by the gospel writers, long after he died and had no basis in reality. But as this all happened so long ago we aren't likely to find out the truth of the matter.

[Rhiannon]

All you read about him are claims by OTHERS of what he said and did.

How can you be sure they are accurate?

Yes, this is very much something I agree with. I don't get the point in discussing what Jesus meant by the claims that he made for himself without considering that there is quite a good argument to say that he didn't make any such claims at all.

[~TW~]

Yes, this is very much something I agree with. I don't get the point in discussing what Jesus meant by the claims that he made for himself without considering that there is quite a good argument to say that he didn't make any such claims at all.

Yes and of course although they heard this they decided to be executed for what they did not believe and they made up.

           ~TW~

[BeRational]

Yes and of course although they heard this they decided to be executed for what they did not believe and they made up.

           ~TW~

Why not?

They may have misunderstood or any other reason.

People are prepared to die for many things, that does not make them true.

I think you are confusing what someone really really really really believes to be true, and what is actually true.

People, perhaps at one point ever person on the planet believed the Earth to be flat, or that the Sun was burning.

But, they would all have been WRONG on both counts.

[Shaker]

Yes and of course although they heard this they decided to be executed for what they did not believe and they made up.

You commit the elementary and unfortunately all too common fallacy of the excluded middle, in which truth of belief (everything the early Christians believed was literally and exactly true) and deliberate deceit (they died for what they explicitly knew to be false) are the only choices available.

This is an utter travesty of reasoning. The middle option being excluded is of course perfectly sincere but mistaken belief.

[floo]

floo:  "TW and Sass who claim to be Christians..."

I know Sass is a Christian but am not sure about TW whose remarks are sometimes so outre.  Makes life interesting!

Inviting people to join a forum is something I no longer do.  Going back several years, which you will remember floo, I invited someone from the old BBC forum to join the original Premier forum (which you invited me to join).  I thought he would find it more his sort of thing than the BBC as practically everyone was a Christian.  I don't want to name names but he was the person whose name began with J, he preached and posted in capital letters!  He lasted a very short while before being banned and seems to have disappeared' I've never invited anyone again, to the best of my memory.

This is quite a good forum imo, something for everyone.

Sorry I don't remember the poster you are talking about, or actually remember anything about the Premier forum. The trouble is, I have posted on so many over the years I have forgotten a lot of them.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Brownie,

I know Sass is a Christian but am not sure about TW whose remarks are sometimes so outre.  Makes life interesting!

"A" Christian perhaps as Fred Phelps is "a" Christian, though all three of them seem to me to be a long way from most definitions of mainstream Christianity these days. (Big C) Christian or not, there's precious little in the posts of the former two to suggest there's anything much (small c) christian about them though.

[~TW~]

You commit the elementary and unfortunately all too common fallacy of the excluded middle, in which truth of belief (everything the early Christians believed was literally and exactly true) and deliberate deceit (they died for what they explicitly knew to be false) are the only choices available.

This is an utter travesty of reasoning. The middle option being excluded is of course perfectly sincere but mistaken belief.

 Ok list the things they believed that were not true.Or will you do what you and all of your friends do waffle.Is this another example of dishonesty personified.

                ~TW~

[BeRational]

Ok list the things they believed that were not true.Or will you do what you and all of your friends do waffle.Is this another example of dishonesty personified.

                ~TW~

They might have believed that Jesus performed miracles.

There is no reason to think that he actually did, so if they did believe that, they would probably be wrong.

[Shaker]

Ok list the things they believed that were not true.

That the world would come to an end in their lifetime, is probably the prime example.

[bluehillside Retd.]

BR,

They might have believed that Jesus performed miracles.

There is no reason to think that he actually did, so if they did believe that, they would probably be wrong.

No you fool - they died for their beliefs for Pete's sake, so - um - in some unexplained way I can't quite put my finger on just now, those beliefs must have been true then.

You know, just like the beliefs of the devotees of Jim Jones and David Koresh...

...oh, hang on a mo though 

[~TW~]

That the world would come to an end in their lifetime, is probably the prime example.

Now that is good I like that,now when did Jesus say the world would come to an end in their lifetime.

 ~TW~

[BeRational]

Now that is good I like that,now when did Jesus say the world would come to an end in their lifetime.

 ~TW~

You should of course re-phrase this as "when did someone write down that Jesus ....."

[Shaker]

Now that is good I like that,now when did Jesus say the world would come to an end in their lifetime.

 ~TW~

Luke 9:27 and Matthew 16:28.