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Re: Can I just ask:
« Reply #75 on: March 27, 2016, 08:34:44 AM »
Science is not atheism.

Sport is not agnosticism.

Is this a game...? Err...

Stamp collecting is not neoplatonism.

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Re: Can I just ask:
« Reply #76 on: March 27, 2016, 08:55:02 AM »
Sport is not agnosticism.

Is this a game...? Err...

Stamp collecting is not neoplatonism.
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Re: Can I just ask:
« Reply #77 on: March 27, 2016, 09:36:51 AM »
... in which case you, along with Hope, would be committing the negative proof fallacy (also known, much more appositely, as the Argument from Ignorance).

Negative proofs fallacies do not exist in an afterlife conversation.
Nothing from ignorance at all because in truth there is NOTHING from an evidence point of few to base a negative proof fallacy on when it comes to the Afterlife.

And that is why you could not do anything or prove anything but come up with the usual load of twaddle which has absolutely '0' and I do mean ZERO meaning or stance in the discussion of an Afterlife.

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Re: Can I just ask:
« Reply #78 on: March 27, 2016, 09:39:58 AM »
Msg 62 " I honestly cannot believe you reiterated something said by someone else" Thats you, that is. I honestly cannot believe that after all the very fine points put to you over the months with science, logic, reason and just plain common sense you still waffle on with nothing in the kitty.
You mean the Kitty which has NEVER and Never will EXIST in the definition and evidence concering Afterlife in Science or anything else.
The EVIDENCE OF AFTERLIFE exists for those who died and then after being brought back to life tell of an existence after death.
You can Say whatever you want but the usual waffle does not apply to this thread and the questions asked.
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Re: Can I just ask:
« Reply #79 on: March 27, 2016, 09:47:03 AM »
The afterlife is only a faith scenario without any evidence to support it,

Evidence please... Oh, that's right that is just an opinion from someone who has never learned about ATHEISTS who have died and come back to life believing in God and Jesus Christ because of what they experienced. But you, like many atheists never check your facts you are worse that pagans because you never even look for truth.
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whereas science can often prove its discoveries to be factual.

Okay show the science that PROVES THERE IS NO AFTERLIFE.
See what I mean about your useless twaddle and lack of sincerity when it comes to actual truth.
Your belief requires more faith that anyone who believes in Jesus Christ. Personally, I would not display your ignorance as a fact when we all know SCIENCE cannot and has not made any discoveries about the AFTERLIFE.


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Stuck in rut.... your posts reveal you are the only one stuck in a rut and your science. Science does not improve knowledge because knowledge even in man can only come from the source the maker created. God gave us our brains and everything we do, or think or say can only be done because of what he has done.

But like everything we can use what we have for good or evil.
Science is responsible for all the weapons in the world that has destroyed life how did that improve knowledge?
You need to think long and hard about science and reality...
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Re: Can I just ask:
« Reply #80 on: March 27, 2016, 10:09:05 AM »
You mean the Kitty which has NEVER and Never will EXIST in the definition and evidence concering Afterlife in Science or anything else.
The EVIDENCE OF AFTERLIFE exists for those who died and then after being brought back to life tell of an existence after death.
You can Say whatever you want but the usual waffle does not apply to this thread and the questions asked.

One of your daftest statements to date. ::)

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Re: Can I just ask:
« Reply #81 on: March 27, 2016, 10:19:38 AM »
One of your daftest statements to date. ::)

Sums up every post you have ever made.. hard to pick a winner...
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« Reply #82 on: March 27, 2016, 10:24:40 AM »
Sums up every post you have ever made.. hard to pick a winner...

I am sure that made you feel good! ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Can I just ask:
« Reply #83 on: March 27, 2016, 10:57:43 AM »
I am sure that made you feel good! ;D ;D ;D

Unlike yourself, Floo,

I can see nothing making me feel good about having to state the obvious. :o
 
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Re: Can I just ask:
« Reply #84 on: March 27, 2016, 11:28:03 AM »
Unlike yourself, Floo,

I can see nothing. making me feel good about having to state the obvious. :o

There Sass! Corrected that for you.  :)

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« Reply #85 on: March 27, 2016, 11:46:47 AM »
There Sass! Corrected that for you.  :)

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Re: Can I just ask:
« Reply #86 on: March 27, 2016, 11:58:11 AM »
This thread has turned very nasty and contentious!

The afterlife cannot be proved scientifically and floo is quite right to say that belief in the afterlife is a faith matter - but I would not say, ''Only faith'', in such a dismissive way, because faith is very important to many of us.

It's Easter which is usually a lovely time of year (despite the sudden terrible weather!), so let's enjoy and relax.
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Re: Can I just ask:
« Reply #87 on: March 27, 2016, 12:45:24 PM »
This thread has turned very nasty and contentious!

Only to those who read it that way. It's just a lot of people exchanging views and trying to be funny ... life's to short to get dramatic about it.

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The afterlife cannot be proved scientifically and floo is quite right to say that belief in the afterlife is a faith matter - but I would not say, ''Only faith'', in such a dismissive way, because faith is very important to many of us.

It's more important to get along together and not to take each other too seriously.

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It's Easter which is usually a lovely time of year (despite the sudden terrible weather!), so let's enjoy and relax.

Easy-peasy! It's sunny and warm here!  :P


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Re: Can I just ask:
« Reply #88 on: March 27, 2016, 05:12:24 PM »
Msg 76 Susan Doris. I'm with you on I can't listen to this stuff. It's like I'm visiting a different planet when people are talking in this strange wordy nonsense about things that are just plain silly. Like you too I feel it's got to take a bit dollop of "honest debate" to wean believers off of their comfort blanket.
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Re: Can I just ask:
« Reply #89 on: March 27, 2016, 05:23:38 PM »
No it isn't.  I was looking at the list of types of people that Hope has known and I too have known similar. 
It's not so much that Hope knows these people but that, on any given topic, he has always recently been talking with the experts about the exact topic.

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Re: Can I just ask:
« Reply #90 on: March 27, 2016, 06:44:09 PM »
But why think there is an afterlife at all?

What is the purpose behind it?

Some people have had the experience of God answering a prayer. That is when they start thinking, what ho, God really does exist. They believe there is a spiritual realm, which exists apart from the physical world but interacts with it; that leads to the hope of an afterlife.

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Re: Can I just ask:
« Reply #91 on: March 28, 2016, 08:24:41 AM »
Some people have had the experience of God answering a prayer. That is when they start thinking, what ho, God really does exist. They believe there is a spiritual realm, which exists apart from the physical world but interacts with it; that leads to the hope of an afterlife.

As I have asked many times why does the sky fairy sky only answer prayer positively when it feels like it? I am of the opinion that so called answers to prayer are no more than coincidence if something goes the way a person wants it to.

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Re: Can I just ask:
« Reply #92 on: March 28, 2016, 08:32:27 AM »
Some people have had the experience of God answering a prayer. That is when they start thinking, what ho, God really does exist. They believe there is a spiritual realm, which exists apart from the physical world but interacts with it; that leads to the hope of an afterlife.

That would be easy to test out.

I'll ask God in prayer to eliminate the Zika virus on Tuesday at 4pm BST.

If it suddenly disappears, it would be in every newspaper headline, we would all get to know about it, and we would start to have some reason to take the god idea seriously.

Until that time though ...

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Re: Can I just ask:
« Reply #93 on: March 28, 2016, 08:33:15 AM »
As I have asked many times why does the sky fairy sky only answer prayer positively when it feels like it? I am of the opinion that so called answers to prayer are no more than coincidence if something goes the way a person wants it to.
I would say God never answers in the way a person wants or expects him to  8)

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Re: Can I just ask:
« Reply #94 on: March 28, 2016, 08:36:40 AM »
I would say God never answers in the way a person wants or expects him to  8)

translation : Believers are those who are prepared to indulge convoluted rationalisations to explain away God's apparent disinterest in answering prayers in a straightforward way.

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Re: Can I just ask:
« Reply #95 on: March 28, 2016, 08:50:41 AM »
I would say God never answers in the way a person wants or expects him to  8)

This is so sad. Pray - wait - whatever happens, believe it's the answer; may not be what I wanted or expected but it must be the answer 'cos god always answers.

Talk about blind, circular 'reasoning'....

 
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Re: Can I just ask:
« Reply #96 on: March 28, 2016, 09:22:30 AM »
I would say God never answers in the way a person wants or expects him to  8)

Yeh always an excuse for it, isn't there?

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Re: Can I just ask:
« Reply #97 on: March 28, 2016, 09:45:30 AM »
Yeh always an excuse for it, isn't there?
If God never answers prayer in the way that a person expects I'd absolutely love to know how and why anybody believes a God is involved at all rather than sheer random chance.
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« Reply #98 on: March 28, 2016, 09:59:55 AM »
It's simply that Christians are taught that God answers all prayers. It's not difficult to make experience fit that - God gives us what we need and not what we want, sometimes God answers no, or attributing unexpected events or feelings to God's intervention.

If you believe God is always with you, and your God is a great big omni version, what other option is there?

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Re: Can I just ask:
« Reply #99 on: March 28, 2016, 10:02:57 AM »
It's simply that Christians are taught that God answers all prayers. It's not difficult to make experience fit that...

It is if their capacity to reason is healthy and functioning.