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Leonard James

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« Reply #25 on: March 29, 2016, 06:09:27 AM »
Have they, Len.  Perhaps you could name a single mere human being, who ever claimed to have been going to their death for the whole of humanity, or whose death was later claimed to be this extensive?

He went to his death because he upset the authorities of his church and refused to back down. If he ever actually claimed to be dying for other people's sins, he was suffering from delusions of grandeur.

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« Reply #26 on: March 29, 2016, 09:22:16 AM »
I agree with you, Len. As it happens I don't think he ever made such a claim; we undertook his ministry knowing that on teaching people a good way of living he'd quite possibly end up on the wrong side of powerful people. If anything that makes him a more interesting and sympathetic character than the one with the cosmic get out of jail free card that's been peddled by the church.

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« Reply #27 on: March 29, 2016, 09:30:54 AM »
I agree with you, Len. As it happens I don't think he ever made such a claim; we undertook his ministry knowing that on teaching people a good way of living he'd quite possibly end up on the wrong side of powerful people. If anything that makes him a more interesting and sympathetic character than the one with the cosmic get out of jail free card that's been peddled by the church.

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« Reply #28 on: March 29, 2016, 11:13:17 AM »
PS to SweetPea.  Good for you for joining that other forum in order to speak out against those who were posting homophobic comments.  Nice to see a poster who sticks up for principles.
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« Reply #29 on: March 29, 2016, 12:41:40 PM »
I'm quite taken with the notion that muslim martyrs have been labouring all these years under a mistranslation - apparently they don't get 72 virgins after all (who presumably would have no choice in the matter in any case) but rather they get 72 golden sultanas.

OK, I admit it...it's the potential for a slogan that's doing it for me:

He is Raisin!

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« Reply #30 on: March 29, 2016, 12:48:02 PM »
I'm quite taken with the notion that muslim martyrs have been labouring all these years under a mistranslation - apparently they don't get 72 virgins after all (who presumably would have no choice in the matter in any case) but rather they get 72 golden sultanas.

OK, I admit it...it's the potential for a slogan that's doing it for me:

He is Raisin!

Blast, I thought it would be 73!

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« Reply #31 on: March 29, 2016, 04:32:34 PM »
I wonder if potential martyrs have considered what it would be like to have 72 virgins?  Who would seriously want that?

The women would be martyrs are promised something different.  I'm sure they are grateful not to be given 72 virgin men.

Sorry SP, off topic.
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« Reply #32 on: March 29, 2016, 04:47:57 PM »
I wonder if potential martyrs have considered what it would be like to have 72 virgins?  Who would seriously want that?

The women would be martyrs are promised something different.  I'm sure they are grateful not to be given 72 virgin men.

Sorry SP, off topic.
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« Reply #33 on: March 29, 2016, 06:33:33 PM »
Plus some of them could be quite difficult.  Sounds unbelievably boring to me.  However they believe it is all allegorical so makes no difference.   I was merely wondering if any of them had seriously considered what that would be like, I bet they haven't.
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« Reply #34 on: March 30, 2016, 04:18:04 AM »
What has 72 virgins to do with the raising of Jesus Christ. Have you no respect for the beliefs of others or the sections of the forum?
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« Reply #35 on: March 30, 2016, 05:02:06 AM »



For all your talk of.... 'allowing people to believe what they want as long as they don't force their views on others'.... you atheist groups jump in very fast when you see any two people quietly discussing a matter of their faith.

Why don't you leave them alone to discuss their faith without barging in with your usual atheist grind again and again?!!! 

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« Reply #36 on: March 30, 2016, 06:47:11 AM »
That's what the Faith Sharing sub-forum is for.

This isn't the Faith Sharing sub-forum - challenge and critique of beliefs is allowed.

So stop whining.
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« Reply #37 on: March 30, 2016, 06:53:34 AM »
That's what the Faith Sharing sub-forum is for.

This isn't the Faith Sharing sub-forum - challenge and critique of beliefs is allowed.

So stop whining.



That's no reason why you should have this compulsive & obsessive need to barge in and blurt out your often repeated scorn and malice.......every time someone talks of Jesus or faith.  Normal respect for others will not come amiss. You should try it!   

 

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« Reply #38 on: March 30, 2016, 07:02:24 AM »

That's no reason why you should have this compulsive & obsessive need to barge in and blurt out your often repeated scorn and malice.......every time someone talks of Jesus or faith.  Normal respect for others will not come amiss. You should try it!
No thanks. Debate and discussion are what forums exist for in the first place. That's why we're here. If you have a problem with that, and you clearly do, online forums are probably not for you.
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« Reply #39 on: March 30, 2016, 07:09:45 AM »
No thanks. Debate and discussion are what forums exist for in the first place. That's why we're here. If you have a problem with that, and you clearly do, online forums are probably not for you.


Oh.... please!  Don't dignify your compulsive scorn and derision by calling it 'debate and discussion'!  ::)

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« Reply #40 on: March 30, 2016, 07:25:44 AM »
Point proven.
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« Reply #41 on: March 30, 2016, 02:24:18 PM »


That's no reason why you should have this compulsive & obsessive need to barge in and blurt out your often repeated scorn and malice.......every time someone talks of Jesus or faith.  Normal respect for others will not come amiss. You should try it!

Sorry and not sorry apologies for breaking in on your exchange, but I felt that I couldn't let go the part of your post where you have said about, "normal respect for others will not come amiss".

Having respect for others that have a half blue elephant half man and they think this kind of thing is a god worthy of worship that's no better than someone that believes in someone that they think has come back from the dead, both beliefs preposterous and you want respect for these beliefs and having these beliefs?

It's not like the two things about religions I have referred to above are on their own, there are many more equally preposterous things contained within these beliefs.

It's a very tall order for me to have any respect for any of those beliefs, I don't have any respect for them, so really it's not surprising the people like us that you refer to as atheists hand out a fair bit of stick to people like you and in your case Sriram you really believe in these rather daft to me ideas and you even have some kind of superiority complex about yourself, it's your own fault, you turn yourself into such an obvious target.

It also makes me wonder why you're so surprised when you get some stick, this time from Shaker.   

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« Reply #42 on: March 30, 2016, 04:28:50 PM »
Have they, Len.  Perhaps you could name a single mere human being, who ever claimed to have been going to their death for the whole of humanity, or whose death was later claimed to be this extensive?

The claim for this was unquestionably made for him later - principally by Paul. The earliest gospel to be written (Mark) goes no further than one enigmatic sentence "To give his life as a ransom for many".
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« Reply #43 on: March 30, 2016, 04:37:25 PM »
I agree with you, Len. As it happens I don't think he ever made such a claim; we undertook his ministry knowing that on teaching people a good way of living he'd quite possibly end up on the wrong side of powerful people. If anything that makes him a more interesting and sympathetic character than the one with the cosmic get out of jail free card that's been peddled by the church.

Agreed, Rhiannon, though the Catholic Church and the more mainstream Protestant Churches do seem to have put forward a rather uneasy alliance between the "Faith + Works" ideas.
Just picked up a copy of the Mabinogion. Apparently there's a story therein about dead men being thrown into a cauldron who come back to life the next day.....
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« Reply #44 on: March 30, 2016, 10:48:03 PM »
Only just been able to get to this thread, due to having no wi-fi access.... (which incidentally, is bliss at times, haha).

Thank you all for the replies, but I meant this thread really to be only for Christian members (see the first line of the OP). I was just sending out a message to fellow followers of Christ at a time of celebrating a very important event in our faith.

Mods, could you split this thread please. Put it on the faith sharing topic, if you must. Thanks.




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« Reply #45 on: March 31, 2016, 09:03:48 AM »
Agreed, Rhiannon, though the Catholic Church and the more mainstream Protestant Churches do seem to have put forward a rather uneasy alliance between the "Faith + Works" ideas.
Just picked up a copy of the Mabinogion. Apparently there's a story therein about dead men being thrown into a cauldron who come back to life the next day.....

Indeed, Dicky. Enjoy, the Mab's great.

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« Reply #47 on: March 31, 2016, 10:43:09 AM »
That's what the Faith Sharing sub-forum is for.

This isn't the Faith Sharing sub-forum - challenge and critique of beliefs is allowed.

So stop whining.

It is a Christian topic what has Islam to do with Christ or Christianity?
How about staying on topic. If you want to discuss Islam why not go to the appropriate section?
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« Reply #48 on: March 31, 2016, 11:22:00 AM »
Sassy, it was meant lightheartedly.  You may consider it to be inappropriate but it was not intended to be offensive.  However SP has asked for the thread to be split which is fair enough, then no-one can feel uncomfortable.

Ippy I am surprised by some of your post.  There's no compulsion for you to respect my faith or anyone else's but surely you have some respect for us and our right to believe;  likewise I respect your right not to believe or to believe in something else.

Bluehillside, I am the Plum!  That is a fact and will be confirmed by many others. 
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« Reply #49 on: March 31, 2016, 11:24:08 AM »

Bluehillside, I am the Plum!  That is a fact and will be confirmed by many others.

Especially Little Jack Horner.