He is Risen!

[Brownie]

Never be rude before sunset Len.

[Leonard James]

Never be rude before sunset Len.

Oh dear me, another senior moment. Explain, please

[ippy]

Sassy, it was meant lightheartedly.  You may consider it to be inappropriate but it was not intended to be offensive.  However SP has asked for the thread to be split which is fair enough, then no-one can feel uncomfortable.

Ippy I am surprised by some of your post.  There's no compulsion for you to respect my faith or anyone else's but surely you have some respect for us and our right to believe;  likewise I respect your right not to believe or to believe in something else.

Bluehillside, I am the Plum!  That is a fact and will be confirmed by many others.

I have every respect for any individuals but that doesn't mean I have to respect ideas that I think are ridiculous and obviously man made fantasy.

Respect for the individual, yes.

Respect for most religious ideas, no. 

I'm a Secular Humanist, people should have the right to believe whatever they like, perhaps have a look at the Secular site and see what secularism stands for instead of being misinformed, in other words straight from the horses mouth.

Freedom of religion and freedom from religion.

ippy 

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I'm a Secular Humanist,

You've been brainwashed.

[Khatru]

..... for the wee band of Christians still remaining on this board.

Thank you, Yeshua for showing us the way out of the matrix of this world.


Have a wonderful day!


...... and fellow posters too!

Does that way out happen to include spending the rest of your life trying to convince your god not to burn you after you've died?

[SweetPea]

Only just been able to get to this thread, due to having no wi-fi access.... (which incidentally, is bliss at times, haha).

Thank you all for the replies, but I meant this thread really to be only for Christian members (see the first line of the OP). I was just sending out a message to fellow followers of Christ at a time of celebrating a very important event in our faith.

Mods, could you split this thread please. Put it on the faith sharing topic, if you must. Thanks.

I'm wondering why my request has been ignored. But perhaps I have not been very clear.

Mods, could you split this thread please and put the first seven replies on the faith sharing topic, please; and perhaps the other half can be joined to Floo's 'Jesus died, not such a big deal' thread.

It seems absurd that a Christian cannot create a thread on the Christian Topic to send a message out to fellow Christians on the day of the most important event in their faith...... just one thread, without it being invaded by the 'other side'. 

[SweetPea]

Does that way out happen to include spending the rest of your life trying to convince your god not to burn you after you've died?

'My God' does not burn any of us after we die. That is a fallacy brought about by the RCC. Manmade doctrine.

[ippy]

You've been brainwashed.

No I've never been subjected to any kind of torture, can't help you there Vlad.

ippy

[Brownie]

I think the Orthodox and, for example, the Armenian Apostolic Church, who were around quite a while before Catholics, taught the same SweetPea.  I don't know if they still do.  I do know the Catholic Church hasn't done so for a long time (I'm a liberal, some would say ''lapsed'', Catholic), though there will undoubtedly be some ultra-Traditional fringe groups who still believe that.  Most Christians cannot reconcile that teaching with what we know of the character of Jesus.

(Speaking of brainwashing, and Humanism, not really relevant to this thread but hopefully it will be split, as SP requests:  when I was 15-16 I was very interested in Humanism. To me, who was not sure what she believed in, it seemed a 'kind' alternative to any religion. Apart from the young male contingent, which interested me at least as much as the subject  , there was a prominent local figure, an older lady, who was a well respected humanist.  She was also active in the peace movement which sat well with me.  Still alive as far as I know - Barbara Smoker.  I think the organisation was called, ''The National Secular Society'').

[ippy]

I think the Orthodox and, for example, the Armenian Apostolic Church, who were around quite a while before Catholics, taught the same SweetPea.  I don't know if they still do.  I do know the Catholic Church hasn't done so for a long time (I'm a liberal, some would say ''lapsed'', Catholic), though there will undoubtedly be some ultra-Traditional fringe groups who still believe that.  Most Christians cannot reconcile that teaching with what we know of the character of Jesus.

(Speaking of brainwashing, and Humanism, not really relevant to this thread but hopefully it will be split, as SP requests:  when I was 15-16 I was very interested in Humanism. To me, who was not sure what she believed in, it seemed a 'kind' alternative to any religion. Apart from the young male contingent, which interested me at least as much as the subject  , there was a prominent local figure, an older lady, who was a well respected humanist.  She was also active in the peace movement which sat well with me.  Still alive as far as I know - Barbara Smoker.  I think the organisation was called, ''The National Secular Society'').

Ms Brown, our Vlad was on the wind, he meant indoctrination and said brainwashed, brainwashing was last attempted in the early fifties it was found to be ineffective and doesn't really happen any more it involves torture where indoctrination only involves torture when the subject is boring. It's a very common misuse of a word.

ippy

[Khatru]

'My God' does not burn any of us after we die. That is a fallacy brought about by the RCC. Manmade doctrine.

I guess the vast majority of Christians would disagree with you on that but what is Christianity other than thousands of competing denominations, sects and cults.

What does your god do to us after we've died?

[Brownie]

Ms Brown, our Vlad was on the wind, he meant indoctrination and said brainwashed, brainwashing was last attempted in the early fifties it was found to be ineffective and doesn't really happen any more it involves torture where indoctrination only involves torture when the subject is boring. It's a very common misuse of a word.

ippy

Thanks ippy.  'Indoctrination' is a better fit.

[Brownie]

I guess the vast majority of Christians would disagree with you on that but what is Christianity other than thousands of competing denominations, sects and cults.

What does your god do to us after we've died?

Paradise or oblivion is what the vast majority of CHristians believe Khatru.  Not eternal conscious punishment.

[SweetPea]

I think the Orthodox and, for example, the Armenian Apostolic Church, who were around quite a while before Catholics, taught the same SweetPea.

Yes, I agree, Brownie. The problem is it is not Biblical doctrine. You only have to look to Revelations to find the true doctrine.

[SweetPea]

Mods, can you please do something with this thread. Otherwise give me an explanation why you are not doing anything.

Thank you.

[Brownie]

Revelation is open to many interpretations SP and when the Bible was being put together, there were several apocalyptic writings.  The one we have in our Bibles is the one chosen as being ''less dangerous'' than the others.  It still needs to be read with great care though.  When I was at school and Christian religious education was the norm, we didn't touch Revelation until or unless we were going to take RE at 'A' level.

I have read the book several times and no doubt see it differently to you.
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Just seen your most recent post and I back you on that, please split the thread Mods.  Maybe a pm from you to admin would draw it to their attention.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

No I've never been subjected to any kind of torture,

We have. Your posts.

[Brownie]

Oh dear me, another senior moment. Explain, please

I'm too shy  .

[Khatru]

Yes, I agree, Brownie. The problem is it is not Biblical doctrine. You only have to look to Revelations to find the true doctrine.

Revelation is the true doctrine?

Well, it does say that we're judged by our works.  None of this nonsense about judging you by your faith.

[Gordon]

Mods, can you please do something with this thread. Otherwise give me an explanation why you are not doing anything.

Thank you.

Moderator:

Certainly;

First you didn't report it much earlier, and I've just noted your request when browsing this thread, which is now several pages in, and secondly we don't split threads on demand: and in this case we're not prepared to.

1. If you want a faith-based discussion then you should have posted this in the Faith Sharing Area to start with, since by posting it on this Board members are free to respond (and I see looking back that this was noted much earlier in the thread).

2. Unless we are splitting a thread to remove 'problem posts' from view then it would be necessary to ensure that both the split-off post and the remaining posts in the source thread both constitute meaningful threads post-split, which requites that the earliest post being 'split' constitutes a decent OP. This is much harder when a thread is well advanced

3. That you'd prefer replies of a certain type is insufficient reason to remove from view numerous posts that other members have made in this thread in good faith.

4. When a thread has progressed through 3 or more pages and remains active then it does seem unfair to those members participating to interfere in it (unless there was a conduct problem).

The important point here is to report things as early as possible.

[SweetPea]

Oakey, Doke. Thanks, Gordon, for the explanation.

I did note in reply #44 though that I've been unable to get to this thread due to no Wi-Fi access, i.e. I didn't just let the thread run.

Anyway, guess we'll have to leave it at that.

[Brownie]

We'll try to get back on track SP.  I replied to your post where you mentioned Revelation (a couple of posts back), and someone else did too.

[2Corrie]

..... for the wee band of Christians still remaining on this board.

Thank you, Yeshua for showing us the way out of the matrix of this world.


Have a wonderful day!


...... and fellow posters too!

Thank you SweetPea    He is risen indeed, Hallelujah!

[ippy]

Thanks ippy.  'Indoctrination' is a better fit.

Well it's not really just a better fit, brainwashed was the completely wrong word for the things Vlad was trying to describe, they are two completely different things.

ippy