Author Topic: Are sins like homosexuality still condemned in the New Covenant of Christ?  (Read 79636 times)

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Just to be clear then, lesbians are safe?

Read the bible...

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24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

As you can see people swopping the truth for a lie. How many professing Christ are swopping Gods truth for a lie.

I am sad for all of us... But I am sad for those lost and being lost because of the lies embraced... :(
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I am sad you believe the nonsense you spout to be true. :(

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I am sad you believe the nonsense you spout to be true. :(

If one word of that were true you would stop using homosexuality as a battering ram for your own hatred of God and Christianity.

You would know that the homosexual community suffer enough without having their cause thrust into the limelight by people wanting to score points for themselves in Christian subjects.

As Christians we love everyone regardless of creed, colour, language and sexuality.
Once you realise that true believers have love for their fellow beings then you will see the truth between true Christianity and false detrimental Christianity.

Our beliefs do not lead us to condemn others for their lives and choices.
It is about our lives and choices. We tell the truth in love and we love others no matter how different they maybe to us.
God created all and he loves all. Including the sinners.


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Our beliefs do not lead us to condemn others for their lives and choices.

Glad to hear it and hopefully you will join me in ripping out Leviticus 20:13 from the Bible, hopefully you will stand beside me as a fellow Christian and denounce this part of the Bible, hopefully if you meet with other people who profess to being Christians you will say, not in our name, hopefully you will say that Leviticus 20:13 is a abomination to Christ.

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As Christians we love everyone regardless of creed, colour, language and sexuality.
No you don't - love requires actions not just words. If you love someone who is gay then you will want them to be treated equally in society, and not to suffer discrimination. You would not try to prevent them from having consensual loving relationships. You would not try to prevent them from being allowed to get married to their same sex partner.

To claim to love gay people but then to act in a manner completely counter to that claim is hollow indeed. In a way I'd prefer someone who was openly hostile toward gay people, not claiming to love them and also acting in accordance with that view. At least there is some honesty there. But to claim to love gay people and then to fight tooth and nail to prevent them from being treated as anything other than second class citizens is despicable.

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Dear Sass,

Glad to hear it and hopefully you will join me in ripping out Leviticus 20:13 from the Bible, hopefully you will stand beside me as a fellow Christian and denounce this part of the Bible, hopefully if you meet with other people who profess to being Christians you will say, not in our name, hopefully you will say that Leviticus 20:13 is a abomination to Christ.

Gonnagle.

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You have to be kidding!

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Dear Sass,

Glad to hear it and hopefully you will join me in ripping out Leviticus 20:13 from the Bible, hopefully you will stand beside me as a fellow Christian and denounce this part of the Bible, hopefully if you meet with other people who profess to being Christians you will say, not in our name, hopefully you will say that Leviticus 20:13 is a abomination to Christ.

Gonnagle.

Good for you Gonnagle. :) But Sass's posts give the lie to her statement!

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Good for you Gonnagle. :) But Sass's posts give the lie to her statement!


This is the problem with Sassy.

She cannot see what we see in her statements. They do not mean to her what they mean to others.
« Last Edit: March 30, 2016, 04:21:11 PM by Owlswing »
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Dear Sass,

Glad to hear it and hopefully you will join me in ripping out Leviticus 20:13 from the Bible, hopefully you will stand beside me as a fellow Christian and denounce this part of the Bible, hopefully if you meet with other people who profess to being Christians you will say, not in our name, hopefully you will say that Leviticus 20:13 is a abomination to Christ.

Gonnagle.

I think we could safely do without the whole of Leviticus (something I wouldn't say about quite a bit of the Bible) Are there any life-enhancing lessons to be learned from the B of L?
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I don't believe they think there's nothing wrong in it ... society has shown repeatedly that most people disapprove and they must be aware that it is a punishable offence. But clearly some find it difficult to suppress, since it is a 'natural' urge in them.

This is indeed quite a problem, Len. Since I believe that our sexual natures are largely 'fixed' by our mid-teens, and no amount of therapy is going to turn homosexuals into heterosexuals, by the same token, those who are attracted to juveniles are likely to continue to be sexually aroused by them, no matter what. I suppose with most of us, we are likely to find the most desirable partner to be someone who not only turns us on sexually, but shares common interests with us on a wide variety of matters, and that 'maturity' of sexual taste lies in moving towards that. But the instantaneous 'turn-on' is likely to remain the same throughout life. Certainly the case with me.
Some people argue that the pederast gains sexual stimulation from a power relationship, and it is certainly easy to dominate a child or youth. Maybe some education towards  'normality' might occur there. But I'm not so sure - I think, like you, that the pederasts' sexual feelings are entirely natural to them.
However, since we recognise that such relationships are almost universally harmful to children, probably for the rest of their lives, the only socially acceptable behaviour for pederasts is celibacy.
The composer Benjamin Britten was unquestionably a natural pederast. Even though he had a life-long relationship with the tenor Peter Pears, there is every indication that he harboured deep-rooted sexual longings for young boys. He managed to sublimate his desires, and though no doubt he sought out the company of young boys somewhat obsessively, he never interfered with them sexually, and it is quite likely that many of these young boys benefited greatly from being in the company of a genius.
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DU, I remember, very well, reading the book of Leviticus with other girls when I was really too young to be reading it!  It was eye opening to say the least, scary and informative - up to a point because some of the things dealt with in the book we didn't understand.  We read it in secret, hee hee, though I could have read it in front of my parents and they wouldn't have noticed  ::) .
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DU, I remember, very well, reading the book of Leviticus with other girls when I was really too young to be reading it!  It was eye opening to say the least, scary and informative - up to a point because some of the things dealt with in the book we didn't understand.  We read it in secret, hee hee, though I could have read it in front of my parents and they wouldn't have noticed  ::) .

Did you read Ezekiel 23 with the other girls :) ?
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No, wish I had, I can just imagine us reading it open-mouthed!
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This is indeed quite a problem, Len. Since I believe that our sexual natures are largely 'fixed' by our mid-teens, and no amount of therapy is going to turn homosexuals into heterosexuals, by the same token, those who are attracted to juveniles are likely to continue to be sexually aroused by them, no matter what. I suppose with most of us, we are likely to find the most desirable partner to be someone who not only turns us on sexually, but shares common interests with us on a wide variety of matters, and that 'maturity' of sexual taste lies in moving towards that. But the instantaneous 'turn-on' is likely to remain the same throughout life. Certainly the case with me.
Some people argue that the pederast gains sexual stimulation from a power relationship, and it is certainly easy to dominate a child or youth. Maybe some education towards  'normality' might occur there. But I'm not so sure - I think, like you, that the pederasts' sexual feelings are entirely natural to them.
However, since we recognise that such relationships are almost universally harmful to children, probably for the rest of their lives, the only socially acceptable behaviour for pederasts is celibacy.
The composer Benjamin Britten was unquestionably a natural pederast. Even though he had a life-long relationship with the tenor Peter Pears, there is every indication that he harboured deep-rooted sexual longings for young boys. He managed to sublimate his desires, and though no doubt he sought out the company of young boys somewhat obsessively, he never interfered with them sexually, and it is quite likely that many of these young boys benefited greatly from being in the company of a genius.

One can only feel sympathy for such people, since they have to quell their natural urges for life ... something which is nigh on impossible, especially if they are cursed with a high libido.

But there ya go, that's nature for you ... she doesn't give a toss for our petty human foibles.  :(

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Dear Sass,

Glad to hear it and hopefully you will join me in ripping out Leviticus 20:13 from the Bible, hopefully you will stand beside me as a fellow Christian and denounce this part of the Bible, hopefully if you meet with other people who profess to being Christians you will say, not in our name, hopefully you will say that Leviticus 20:13 is a abomination to Christ.

Gonnagle.

Good start Gonners you just need to chuck out the rest of it now.

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So I'm told these people that find young children sexually attractive, don't think there's anything wrong with themselves they think it's all OK and there is no cure for these people either.

Not somewhere I would like to be doing the reason why research, I'll take a pass on that one.

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Such a condition could be treated by the person waiting until the child is an adult, in the mean time suppressing their urges under supervision by a phsychotherapist and perhaps being allowed to conduct a friendship with the child, thus forming an emotional bond with him/her which might be the foundation for a future physical relationship when the child is old enough. We do after all see older men marrying women much younger than themselves.

Supposing for a minute that homosexuality was still illegal. I wonder if a similar kind of process could be found for enabling homosexuals to reach a point where, having suppressed their urges for some time, they could reach the point where they could live with their attraction to the same sex, and form a strong emotional and physical relationship with someone of the opposite sex.

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Supposing for a minute that homosexuality was still illegal. I wonder if a similar kind of process could be found for enabling homosexuals to reach a point where, having suppressed their urges for some time, they could reach the point where they could live with their attraction to the same sex, and form a strong emotional and physical relationship with someone of the opposite sex.
Why should that even be an option? Asking - or rather demanding, or enforcing - that paedophiles suppress their sexual orientation and urges is done with the intention of not having people's entire lives maimed by having been abused early in life. Asking - or rather demanding, or enforcing - gay people to suppress their sexual orientation and urges is a one-way ticket to said people being compelled to live loveless, sexless lives devoid of the human intimacy, the relationships that most people find one of the more important aspects of existence.

Wait - you do understand the difference between homosexuality and paedophilia, right? Right?
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Supposing for a minute that homosexuality was still illegal. I wonder if a similar kind of process could be found for enabling homosexuals to reach a point where, having suppressed their urges for some time, they could reach the point where they could live with their attraction to the same sex, and form a strong emotional and physical relationship with someone of the opposite sex.

You don't really understand sexuality at all do you?

In the not so distant past gay people did try and form bonds with the opposite sex - and I have so many stories of the trauma and mental ill health that that caused to all concerned that I am quite frankly shocked that you could even think that a possibility.
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You don't really understand sexuality at all do you?

Any more than he seems to understand relationships between two parties based on equality and consent, and those devoid of consent and where a power imbalance comes into play.
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Spud said:  "Such a condition could be treated by the person waiting until the child is an adult, in the mean time suppressing their urges under supervision by a phsychotherapist and perhaps being allowed to conduct a friendship with the child, thus forming an emotional bond with him/her which might be the foundation for a future physical relationship when the child is old enough. We do after all see older men marrying women much younger than themselves."

That sounds gross to me Spud.  So, would the child be told, when adult, that this person 'courting' them, fancied them when they were a child?   Can you begin to imagine?  It wouldn't work anyway because the child's allure would disappear when they reached adulthood, in the meantime the predator would have moved on to one or more other kids whilst undergoing therapy.  I am sure he would like talking about his fancies to someone who listens in a non-judgemental way in a confidential environment.

Yes, older men marry younger women and sometimes the other way around, nothing wrong with that, but hopefully when both parties are adult.

How can any of that compare to homosexual relationships between consenting adults?  It is rather an insulting comparison in my opinion.  Giving you the benefit of the doubt, you may just have been thinking out loud, not giving your own opinion.
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Such a condition could be treated by the person waiting until the child is an adult, in the mean time suppressing their urges under supervision by a phsychotherapist and perhaps being allowed to conduct a friendship with the child, thus forming an emotional bond with him/her which might be the foundation for a future physical relationship when the child is old enough. We do after all see older men marrying women much younger than themselves.


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How can any of that compare to homosexual relationships between consenting adults?  It is rather an insulting comparison in my opinion.  Giving you the benefit of the doubt, you may just have been thinking out loud, not giving your own opinion.

No my friend, that is the true enemy, that kind of unChristian  thinking, the atheist is not the enemy, we are our own worst enemy, when we finally realise the true message of Christ, we will move on, it will happen, atheism is a fad.

Study the history of man, it is all there.

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You don't really understand sexuality at all do you?

In the not so distant past gay people did try and form bonds with the opposite sex - and I have so many stories of the trauma and mental ill health that that caused to all concerned that I am quite frankly shocked that you could even think that a possibility.

Yes it's much better for everyone, if people are allowed to be honest at the outset.

It's not acceptable to be expected to live a lie IMO.

It's cruel.


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Such a condition could be treated by the person waiting until the child is an adult, in the mean time suppressing their urges under supervision by a phsychotherapist and perhaps being allowed to conduct a friendship with the child, thus forming an emotional bond with him/her which might be the foundation for a future physical relationship when the child is old enough. We do after all see older men marrying women much younger than themselves.

Supposing for a minute that homosexuality was still illegal. I wonder if a similar kind of process could be found for enabling homosexuals to reach a point where, having suppressed their urges for some time, they could reach the point where they could live with their attraction to the same sex, and form a strong emotional and physical relationship with someone of the opposite sex.

To equate homosexuality as being as wrong and abnormal as paedophilia is SICK, SICK, SICK.  >:( Homosexuality is as normal as being left handed, although some cretins in the past believed that to be abnormal.

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Such a condition could be treated by the person waiting until the child is an adult, in the mean time suppressing their urges under supervision by a phsychotherapist and perhaps being allowed to conduct a friendship with the child, thus forming an emotional bond with him/her which might be the foundation for a future physical relationship when the child is old enough. We do after all see older men marrying women much younger than themselves.

Supposing for a minute that homosexuality was still illegal. I wonder if a similar kind of process could be found for enabling homosexuals to reach a point where, having suppressed their urges for some time, they could reach the point where they could live with their attraction to the same sex, and form a strong emotional and physical relationship with someone of the opposite sex.

You seem to be advocating the use of "correction therapy" I think it called, that supposedly can "cure" homosexuality; a therapy which has been proven to be so dangerous to the "patient" that it has been declared illegal in the US where it was invented/created at the instigation of Christian psychotherapists!
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