Are sins like homosexuality still condemned in the New Covenant of Christ?

[Owlswing]

In the 21st century it is really sad and crazy that some people still think there is something abnormal and 'sinful' about homosexuality.

The real problem, Floo, is that they do NOT "think" it is sinful or wrong - they "KNOW" it and are going to keep banging on about it until we all say "OK Enough - it IS sinful and wrong".

They do not realise that the more they bang on about it the more resolute the denyers become NOT to change.

[Brownie]

Spud, I cannot for the life of me see what NATO, the USA and their failure with regard to Russia's involvement with Syria, has to do with the topic of this thread, even allowing for the fact that we frequently go off topic.  I did reply to a previous post of yours earlier on too, I may not have said anything very new or interesting but there is the possibility that you might understand it.

Sassy, you said yesterday that you felt the H subject should not be discussed on this forum, or words to that effect.  Yet you started this thread;  now that you've had a change of heart, why not pull it?

[ippy]

I don't believe they think there's nothing wrong in it ... society has shown repeatedly that most people disapprove and they must be aware that it is a punishable offence. But clearly some find it difficult to suppress, since it is a 'natural' urge in them.

I must have missed this one of yours Len, my wife was in the probation service at one time and had to deal with these child abusing people and it's strange but true they really don't see that there is anything wrong with themselves and find it difficult to understand why there is so much fuss made about them.

We were talking to some specialists about this and they confirmed that this was so, I have difficulty with it myself, but the people we were talking to were the ones that have to deal with these people, I can think of a cure for them but I also think it wouldn't get to the first reading.

ippy       

[floo]

A unit was set up to try to 'cure' paedophiles in the 90s, I think, but it wasn't successful.

[Owlswing]

Sassy, you said yesterday that you felt the H subject should not be discussed on this forum, or words to that effect.  Yet you started this thread;  now that you've had a change of heart, why not pull it?

Sorry, Brownie, but I thgink that you have misunderstood Sassy's comment regarding the "H subject on this forum".

It is not the forum that she is questioning; it is the fact that she originally posted the OP on the Faith Sharing Area and the Mods decided that, as several posts had been made by non-Christians, they would move it to the Religion and Ethics topic rather than delete the posts by non-Christians.

This is one of the reasons for Sassy's tirade of rage and indignation at the mods and her demand for their removal. She really thought that, by posting to the F S A, she could protect herself against the indignation (at the very mildest end of the spectrum) of the non-Christians on the Forum, an unpleasant act of cowardice in my opinon!

She thought so so so wrong!

[Owlswing]

A unit was set up to try to 'cure' paedophiles in the 90s, I think, but it wasn't successful.

You might just as well set up a unit to cure religious fanaticism!

[Leonard James]

I must have missed this one of yours Len, my wife was in the probation service at one time and had to deal with these child abusing people and it's strange but true they really don't see that there is anything wrong with themselves and find it difficult to understand why there is so much fuss made about them.

We were talking to some specialists about this and they confirmed that this was so, I have difficulty with it myself, but the people we were talking to were the ones that have to deal with these people, I can think of a cure for them but I also think it wouldn't get to the first reading.

ippy     

Not having had the misfortune to meet a paedophile (as far as I know) I can't speak from experience. But is it not a fact that all of them tell the minor NOT to say anything about it or else? That indicates that they are perfectly aware that society sees it as wrong. As the attraction is natural to them they don't consider it wrong themselves, but they are perfectly aware that it is unlawful.

[floo]

Not having had the misfortune to meet a paedophile (as far as I know) I can't speak from experience. But is it not a fact that all of them tell the minor NOT to say anything about it or else? That indicates that they are perfectly aware that society sees it as wrong. As the attraction is natural to them they don't consider it wrong themselves, but they are perfectly aware that it is unlawful.

Agreed.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Forum,

I may be stating the obvious over all this homosexuality stuff but the problem is not homosexuality but homophobia, what we need is a cure for them, what about a cattle prod up their erky's, just saying like! In the spirit of scientific endeavour.

Gonnagle.

[floo]

Dear Forum,

I may be stating the obvious over all this homosexuality stuff but the problem is not homosexuality but homophobia, what we need is a cure for them, what about a cattle prod up their erky's, just saying like! In the spirit of scientific endeavour.

Gonnagle.

 

[Leonard James]

Dear Forum,

I may be stating the obvious over all this homosexuality stuff but the problem is not homosexuality but homophobia, what we need is a cure for them, what about a cattle prod up their erky's, just saying like! In the spirit of scientific endeavour.

Gonnagle.

Wow, Gonners! That might even make them feel pleasures they have hitherto been unaware of.

I believe the use of  a n a l  toys has become very widespread among hetero men, as an enhancement of their sexual feelings.

ps. the spacing of the 'a' word was necessary because the server rejects the correct typing.

[Owlswing]

Dear Forum,

I may be stating the obvious over all this homosexuality stuff but the problem is not homosexuality but homophobia, what we need is a cure for them, what about a cattle prod up their erky's, just saying like! In the spirit of scientific endeavour.

Gonnagle.

I'll go with that - baggsy being on the safe end of the cattle prod!

[Gonnagle]

Anal, testing testing, anal.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Leonard,

You must have a very prudish server, make of that what you will

Gonnagle.

[Leonard James]

Anal, testing testing, anal.

Well I'm damned! I can only tell you that my first attempt to post was rejected, but when I changed the spacing of anal, it went through OK.

[Leonard James]

Dear Leonard,

You must have a very prudish server, make of that what you will

Gonnagle.

Maybe! I remembered the problems other people had had, and anal was the only word that I thought might be the culprit. It seems to have been some other reason. 

[Gonnagle]

Dear Leonard,

Well I'm damned! I can only tell you that my first attempt to post was rejected, but when I changed the spacing of anal, it went through OK.

Did it Is it just my little Carry On mind but "changed the spacing of anal it went through OK", I don't think my mind will ever leave the playground

Gonnagle.

[Leonard James]

Dear Leonard,

Did it Is it just my little Carry On mind but "changed the spacing of anal it went through OK", I don't think my mind will ever leave the playground

Gonnagle.

Gonners, you are incorrigible! But i like you! 

[Rhiannon]

Maybe! I remembered the problems other people had had, and anal was the only word that I thought might be the culprit. It seems to have been some other reason. 

I suspect it was the fact you put 'toys' after it.

It doesn't like 'gay' followed by 'sex' or 'gay' followed by 'women' either.

[jeremyp]

Dear Forum,

I may be stating the obvious over all this homosexuality stuff but the problem is not homosexuality but homophobia, what we need is a cure for them, what about a cattle prod up their erky's, just saying like! In the spirit of scientific endeavour.

Well, I don't want to pour cold water on your idea, but would a cattle prod up their erky's cure them or make them resent homosexuals even more?

"We must kill all homosexuals because if they didn't exist, nobody would stick a cattle prod up my - OWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!"

[ippy]

Not having had the misfortune to meet a paedophile (as far as I know) I can't speak from experience. But is it not a fact that all of them tell the minor NOT to say anything about it or else? That indicates that they are perfectly aware that society sees it as wrong. As the attraction is natural to them they don't consider it wrong themselves, but they are perfectly aware that it is unlawful.

Absolutly, I assume the people in probation would know, I can rember sometimes when my wife came home having had to deal with some of these people, although she wasn't a probation officer herself, they had made her flesh creep, can't pass on any more than that.

ippy

[Brownie]

Sorry, Brownie, but I thgink that you have misunderstood Sassy's comment regarding the "H subject on this forum".

It is not the forum that she is questioning; it is the fact that she originally posted the OP on the Faith Sharing Area and the Mods decided that, as several posts had been made by non-Christians, they would move it to the Religion and Ethics topic rather than delete the posts by non-Christians.

This is one of the reasons for Sassy's tirade of rage and indignation at the mods and her demand for their removal. She really thought that, by posting to the F S A, she could protect herself against the indignation (at the very mildest end of the spectrum) of the non-Christians on the Forum, an unpleasant act of cowardice in my opinon!

She thought so so so wrong!

You may well be right Owlswing but I have a recollection that Sass said something of the ilk, ''Why not ban all posts on homosexuality''.  The context may be as you said but I'd like Sass to tell me.  I tried looking through her posts but I always feel a bit of a voyeur doing that apart from the fact that it is very time consuming.  The post may well have been deleted anyway.  I replied to that post so I suppose I could look through mine - maybe later.

I accept what you said about posts being changed from one forum to another.

[Owlswing]

Well, I don't want to pour cold water on your idea, but would a cattle prod up their erky's cure them or make them resent homosexuals even more?

"We must kill all homosexuals because if they didn't exist, nobody would stick a cattle prod up my - OWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!"

Don't you mean

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUCCCCCCKKKKKKK!

That hurt you bastard!

Now do it again and turn the bugger on this time!

[Leonard James]

I suspect it was the fact you put 'toys' after it.

It doesn't like 'gay' followed by 'sex' or 'gay' followed by 'women' either.

If somebody would compile a log of all these 'verboten' expressions it would be very useful ... said he, closing the door behind him. 

[Spud]

Floo, iirc you compared homosexuality with left-handedness. I disagree because whichever hand is used for, say, writing, that hand is gripping an object, so it is fulfilling its purpose. Sex between two of the same sex is not fulfilling it's purpose, ie producing and enabling parents to successfully rear offspring.