Are sins like homosexuality still condemned in the New Covenant of Christ?

[Spud]

Homosexuals are no more mentally ill than heterosexuals.

I've changed the word 'ill' to 'disordered'.

[Owlswing]

I've changed the word 'ill' to 'disordered'.

Which, Spud, is just as bad!

Let's face it - the blame for homosexuality is firmly to be laid at the door of your God.

He, in your belief, created men and women in the form which they exist upon this earth. He gave the male a penis which is shaped to penetrate a vagina. He then makes the practice of placing the penis in the vagina one of the most pleasurable pursuits known to man and woman so that they will do it as often as possible to provide Him with a never-ending stream of new followers.

Then what does he do? He says men and women can only enjoy the pleasures which he has thus provided if they want children. Talk about bloody silly! It is not going to take long for someone to invent a way of having the fun without the kids. When they do so your stupid God says that the invention must not be used and some idiot followers of your God are still enforcing this ban despite the over-population it has caused and is causing in some of the poorer countries (Catholic countries most of them) in the world. He also bans masturbation which is probably the oldest form of birth control.

Add into the mix Satan; Satan whom God has put on Earth to test the faith of humanity. Satan tells man that he should enjoy sex as much as he can during his life. God tell man that if he does so he wil burn in Hell after he dies for doing what Satan says and not what he says. Man listens and says "Bugger that! I'll enjoy sex as much as I can while I'm alive - I'll take my chances on what happens after I die.   
 
So far so good - but he also creates man with a penis that is idealy shaped to penetrate a rectum. What happens? Men and women get their heads together - babies come from the vagina - shit comes from the rectum, but hey, it's easier to wash shit off your penis than try to feed a swarm of kids.

Later some men discover that, actually, it can also be fun to have a penis pushed into his rectum.

Don't go telling homosexiuals that they are "sick" or "disordered" - go and tell your God that he made one Hell of a cockup (no pun intended) when he made sex enjoyable and then expected humans not to enjoy it!

All in all - what a wanker your God is!

[Gordon]

I've changed the word 'ill' to 'disordered'.

Then all you have done, Spud, is successfully jumped from the frying pan into the fire.

[Sassy]

I have no idea what you are saying. There seems to be quite a few words missing.

Assuming you want to know why I think it isn't interesting - to think it interesting I'd need to think there was some merit in it. And I don't. There isn't any, for a range of reasons.

Don't make comments you cannot show understanding about or cannot back up!

If you cannot think beyond the pale of what is written then leave it for someone who can and avoid making comments you cannot support. Your first sentence contradicts your last paragraph.

I would leave it to those who actually know what they mean when they make comments.

[Sassy]

Of course, the "love your neighbour" bit was already well established thousands of years before Jesus came along.

You seen the bloody history of the world before and after?
Well, it clearly shows before Christ it was NOT established thousands of years before.
Dumber and dumber some of the remarks on the forum.


Off-the-cuff remarks like yours above Khatru do not belong here. But tell us what religion you belong to and what their history is...

[Leonard James]

If you cannot think beyond the pale of what is written ...

Magnificent irony, coming from a person who is quite unable to think beyond the pale of what is written in the Buybull.

[Leonard James]

You seen the bloody history of the world before and after?
Well, it clearly shows before Christ it was NOT established thousands of years before.
Dumber and dumber some of the remarks on the forum.


Off-the-cuff remarks like yours above Khatru do not belong here. But tell us what religion you belong to and what their history is...

Selectively blind, as usual. The bloody history of the world became bloodier because of some of the followers of Christ.

[Rhiannon]

Floo, iirc you compared homosexuality with left-handedness. I disagree because whichever hand is used for, say, writing, that hand is gripping an object, so it is fulfilling its purpose. Sex between two of the same sex is not fulfilling it's purpose, ie producing and enabling parents to successfully rear offspring.

You really don't know much about sex, do you, Spud?

[Leonard James]

You really don't know much about sex, do you, Spud?

Think of the fun he is going to have when he finds out! If he ever does.

[Sassy]

Dear Forum,

I may be stating the obvious over all this homosexuality stuff but the problem is not homosexuality but homophobia, what we need is a cure for them, what about a cattle prod up their erky's, just saying like! In the spirit of scientific endeavour.

Gonnagle.

Does God love them all? Did Christ die for all sins?  Then you are answerable for every word you have said...

[Brownie]

I was thinking that Rhiannon.  None of us know eachother really but I have a mental picture of Spud as being quite shy, fairly insular and innocent in many ways.

[floo]

Floo, iirc you compared homosexuality with left-handedness. I disagree because whichever hand is used for, say, writing, that hand is gripping an object, so it is fulfilling its purpose. Sex between two of the same sex is not fulfilling it's purpose, ie producing and enabling parents to successfully rear offspring.

Sex is for PLEASURE as well as procreation, you SAD person!

[floo]

I've changed the word 'ill' to 'disordered'.

You are the one who is disordered, your nasty bigotry needs treatment.

[Étienne d'Angleterre]

Floo, iirc you compared homosexuality with left-handedness. I disagree because whichever hand is used for, say, writing, that hand is gripping an object, so it is fulfilling its purpose. Sex between two of the same sex is not fulfilling it's purpose, ie producing and enabling parents to successfully rear offspring.

So is waving at someone a sign of a "disordered" mind then? After all you have said the purpose of a hand is to grip things.

Could it be that like hands, sex has multiple purposes?

And in terms of the main purpose of sex, in my case it is not the production of offspring. I have two children with my wife but I am pleased to say that I have got lucky many more times than that.

[Rhiannon]

I was thinking that Rhiannon.  None of us know eachother really but I have a mental picture of Spud as being quite shy, fairly insular and innocent in many ways.

I'm not sure if it isn't an act though. I think there is a good deal of faux naivety here.

But, as you say, we can't really tell from posts on an MB.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Sass,

Does God love them all?

Yes, each and every one of us, which baffles me as there have been some real monsters in history, and we his children still don't learn.

Did Christ die for all sins?

Christians throw that about like so much confetti, it is a contemplation of the whole, the Passion, The Crucifixion, his Baptism by John, his forty days and forty nights, his story of the Prodigal son, the good Samaritan, washing the feet of his Disciples, do not Judge, Love Thy Neighbour, take this cup from me, the whole Sass not just one bit.

Then you are answerable for every word you have said...

We are all answerable, which is why I try to search my own blackened soul, which is why I try not to point the finger but then I fail at that, I do point the finger at organised religion who use an old tired part of our Holy book to persecute Gods children.

Gonnagle.

[Rhiannon]

Indeed, Gonners, I come back to the worship of that book as idolatry.

[Brownie]

I'm not sure if it isn't an act though. I think there is a good deal of faux naivety here.

But, as you say, we can't really tell from posts on an MB.

I could easily be wrong but I have a hunch, something about his style of writing and things he has told us he has read on the internet.  Plus the horrible experience he had with a man at church.

I'd like to think Spud reads some of the posts on here and may eventually see that there is another way of thinking.  We'll see.

[Leonard James]

Does God love them all? Did Christ die for all sins?  Then you are answerable for every word you have said...

Same old tired platitudes.

[Sebastian Toe]

You seen the bloody history of the world before and after?
Well, it clearly shows before Christ it was NOT established thousands of years before.
Dumber and dumber some of the remarks on the forum.

Have you any idea how many people died a horrible death before Christ 'introduced' love-thy-nieghbour?
Now compare that to how many people have died horrible deaths after Christ 'introduced' love-thy-nieghbour.

Now do the logic. 

Dumber and dumber some of the remarks on the forum.

Indeed!

[Khatru]

You seen the bloody history of the world before and after?
Well, it clearly shows before Christ it was NOT established thousands of years before.
Dumber and dumber some of the remarks on the forum.


Off-the-cuff remarks like yours above Khatru do not belong here. But tell us what religion you belong to and what their history is...

The Golden Rule is pretty much accepted as originating thousanda of years before Jesus in the Jain/Hindu religions. 

You only have to compare the level of Christian violence theoughout history to that of the Hindus amd Jains to see that the Golden Rule had far more effect in the eastern religions than it ever did with Christianity.

[Owlswing]

Don't make comments you cannot show understanding about or cannot back up!

If you cannot think beyond the pale of what is written then leave it for someone who can and avoid making comments you cannot support. Your first sentence contradicts your last paragraph.

I would leave it to those who actually know what they mean when they make comments.

FFS NOTE THIS POST IN THE DIARY!

A post from Sassy without an emboldened Biblical cut-and-paste!

[Spud]

Sex is for PLEASURE as well as procreation, you SAD person!

I hate to say this, but the pleasure is secondary.

[Nearly Sane]

I hate to say this, but the pleasure is secondary.

So? Does it mean that people that cannot give birth for whatever reason are 'disordered' mentally when they have sex. And let's be honest here, you only changed ill to disordered, in context a synonym, because you felt a bit caught out in the clarity of your bigotry, and decided to obfuscate, or lie about it.

[Spud]

You are the one who is disordered, your nasty bigotry needs treatment.

And thousands of doctors whose handbooks of Clinical Medicine called it a psychosexual disorder until whenever it was changed.

Nearly Sane. Ill means something different to disordered. You can have a disorder and not be ill.