Are sins like homosexuality still condemned in the New Covenant of Christ?

[Spud]

So? Does it mean that people that cannot give birth for whatever reason are 'disordered' mentally when they have sex.

That is a falacy of some kind, you could ask Gordon or Shaker which cos they seem well clued up on them.

[Nearly Sane]

And thousands of doctors whose handbooks of Clinical Medicine called it a psychosexual disorder until whenever it was changed.

Nearly Sane. Ill means something different to disordered. You can have a disorder and not be ill.

Thousands of white people used to call black men 'boy', doesn't make it right.


And in mental health terms disorder covers schizophrenia, as does mental illness. As I said in context it's  synonym and you make clear you know that in your first para in the above answer.

[Nearly Sane]

That is a falacy of some kind, you could ask Gordon or Shaker which cos they seem well clued up on them.

which one is it? If you think it is one, you should at least be able to tel me why. You don't have to name it, just an explanation will be fine.

[Shaker]

I hate to say this, but the pleasure is secondary.

Why is it secondary?

Says who?

Who decided this?

Why didn't we get the memo?

[Shaker]

That is a falacy of some kind, you could ask Gordon or Shaker which cos they seem well clued up on them.

No fallacy that I'm aware of. It's certainly a question that you've yet to answer, for sure.

[Étienne d'Angleterre]

I hate to say this, but the pleasure is secondary.

Not in my case.

[Spud]

So? Does it mean that people that cannot give birth for whatever reason are 'disordered' mentally when they have sex.

No. The disorder is physical.

[Rhiannon]

I hate to say this, but the pleasure is secondary.

The last I knew you'd told us you aren't married, Spud. You might want to revise that opinion before you are.

[Étienne d'Angleterre]

No. The disorder is physical.

I have told already told you that in my case the pleasure is the primary function. What is wrong with that?

[Shaker]

Is there something wrong with pleasure, Spud?

[Spud]

Why is it secondary?

Gene transmission is evidently the main function of our sex organs, and any alleged additional value of sex – as a means to erotic pleasure, comfort or love – can only be incidental.

...

 Its biological function is to encourage actual, frequent coitus, followed by reproduction, so that the species has a maximum chance of continued existence.

The physical pleasure of sex must be viewed in this context; it is intended to entice and incite us to sex. Without the reward of pleasure, we would be less likely to engage in sex; and if it promised us only pain, we would avoid it altogether.


http://thelogician.net/6_reflect/6_Book_6/6f_chapter_04.htm

[Shaker]

That's only one person's opinion that you happen to agree with.

I don't.

You mentioned fallacies earlier. Well, here's a fallacy that both you and the author of that piece have committed - the appeal to nature, which (wrongly) has it that whatever is 'natural' is right, correct, good, desirable and/or true.

A few pertinent examples that spring easily to mind demonstrate just how fallacious this is.

[Nearly Sane]

No. The disorder is physical.

What does that mean? In what sense is any sexual thought or act purely physical?

[Leonard James]

 Its biological function is to encourage actual, frequent coitus, followed by reproduction, so that the species has a maximum chance of continued existence.

http://thelogician.net/6_reflect/6_Book_6/6f_chapter_04.htm

Bullshit! If birth control weren't available, women would give birth every year. What kind of society could support that sort of birthrate and survive?

[Stranger]

Gene transmission is evidently the main function of our sex organs, and any alleged additional value of sex – as a means to erotic pleasure, comfort or love – can only be incidental.

...

 Its biological function is to encourage actual, frequent coitus, followed by reproduction, so that the species has a maximum chance of continued existence.

The physical pleasure of sex must be viewed in this context; it is intended to entice and incite us to sex. Without the reward of pleasure, we would be less likely to engage in sex; and if it promised us only pain, we would avoid it altogether.


http://thelogician.net/6_reflect/6_Book_6/6f_chapter_04.htm

This guy seems to think that because something evolved for one purpose, that is what it "ought" be used for and to do otherwise is somehow "wrong". There is no "ought" in evolution and biology.

Hey, our big brains evolved to help us survive - not write pompous drivel about sex.

Avi Sion ( A viSion: seriously?) is sinning!!

[Sassy]

Dear Sass,

Yes, each and every one of us, which baffles me as there have been some real monsters in history, and we his children still don't learn.

People who learned because God separated the sheep from the goat.

Christians throw that about like so much confetti, it is a contemplation of the whole, the Passion, The Crucifixion, his Baptism by John, his forty days and forty nights, his story of the Prodigal son, the good Samaritan, washing the feet of his Disciples, do not Judge, Love Thy Neighbour, take this cup from me, the whole Sass not just one bit.

And the way we show this is in belief to receive freely.
But as much as confetti, not all who are invited want to go to the wedding.
Think on Gonnagle God is not fooled.

We are all answerable, which is why I try to search my own blackened soul, which is why I try not to point the finger but then I fail at that, I do point the finger at organised religion who use an old tired part of our Holy book to persecute Gods children.

Gonnagle.

Blackened soul; not point the finger; or point finger at organised religion?
Do you not believe the word of God. Have you taken what you received and hidden it, buried it for when the master returns?
Is your sins not forgiven and forgotten by God?

King James Bible
As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

King James Bible
For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

You speak as a man who does not believe the word of God. That once he has forgiven you, he does not remember your sins.
What finger will God point at you? If you have Christ as your saviour what sins are you not pointing the finger due to?
You mislead yourself and others if you think anyone but you remembers your sins and act as if they are still accounted toward you.

King James Bible
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

How can you hope to lead a life set free and help others become free if you really do not believe the truth about your own sins and relationship with Christ and God?

The truth helps you walk in the ways of God not hide from them and teach others to do the same.
You need to examine yourself. We all do, and we need to come before God in faith and reveal the truth to others.

No condemnation for those in Christ.

[Sassy]

Indeed, Gonners, I come back to the worship of that book as idolatry.

It isn't about a book it is about TRUTH within the book.

John 4:24.
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Hence you went wrong... worshipping a book instead of reading it... at least it would have lead you to the real God.

[Sassy]

Quote from: Sassy on April 04, 2016, 08:17:49 AM
Does God love them all? Did Christ die for all sins?  Then you are answerable for every word you have said...

Same old tired platitudes.

Platitudes which if adhered to bring life, hope and a reason for existing.
When did you tire of truth and giving hope.
The day you chose to go your own way. It is because you cannot live your own way if Christ is real.
Tell me, if you had stood before Christ and witnessed all the disciples had done. Would you so easily dismiss him from your life?
Truth is that you would be between a rock and a hard place. You cannot say to God, " I just didn't believe it" if you chose not to believe to avoid conflict.

[Sassy]

Have you any idea how many people died a horrible death before Christ 'introduced' love-thy-nieghbour?
Now compare that to how many people have died horrible deaths after Christ 'introduced' love-thy-nieghbour.

Now do the logic. 

Indeed!

Now don't make yourself look even dumber...
The before and after... Before Christ, the Jews changed a lot of things and often it was Jews who caught the backlash due to Jealousy and fear from others. You see the way of the world is to live in fear and to react to that fear to harm others.

But for Gods intervention before and after Christ things would have been a lot worse... Now that is the logic and the fact.

[Spud]

And in mental health terms disorder covers schizophrenia, as does mental illness. As I said in context it's  synonym and you make clear you know that in your first para in the above answer.

Illness and sickness are generally used as synonyms for disease.[5] However, this term is occasionally used to refer specifically to the patient's personal experience of his or her disease.[6][7] In this model, it is possible for a person to have a disease without being ill (to have an objectively definable, but asymptomatic, medical condition), and to be ill without being diseased (such as when a person perceives a normal experience as a medical condition, or medicalizes a non-disease situation in his or her life).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disease#Terminology

[Spud]

Thousands of white people used to call black men 'boy', doesn't make it right.

In medicine, a disorder is a functional abnormality or disturbance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disease#Terminology
So they were right, in the sense that homosexuality interferes with the function of reproduction.

[floo]

I hate to say this, but the pleasure is secondary.

If you don't want kids, or have completed your family why is it secondary?

[Shaker]

In medicine, a disorder is a functional abnormality or disturbance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disease#Terminology
So they were right, in the sense that homosexuality interferes with the function of reproduction.

Presumably the non-act of not having heterosexual intercourse also interferes with the function of reproduction? That's celibate priests on the list for a start ... a list that includes any heterosexual people not having sex at every available opportunity.

This would be a reductio ad absurdum except that there's no need to reduce to absurdity something utterly absurd to begin with.

[floo]

People who learned because God separated the sheep from the goat.
And the way we show this is in belief to receive freely.
But as much as confetti, not all who are invited want to go to the wedding.
Think on Gonnagle God is not fooled.
Blackened soul; not point the finger; or point finger at organised religion?
Do you not believe the word of God. Have you taken what you received and hidden it, buried it for when the master returns?
Is your sins not forgiven and forgotten by God?

You speak as a man who does not believe the word of God. That once he has forgiven you, he does not remember your sins.
What finger will God point at you? If you have Christ as your saviour what sins are you not pointing the finger due to?
You mislead yourself and others if you think anyone but you remembers your sins and act as if they are still accounted toward you.

How can you hope to lead a life set free and help others become free if you really do not believe the truth about your own sins and relationship with Christ and God?

The truth helps you walk in the ways of God not hide from them and teach others to do the same.
You need to examine yourself. We all do, and we need to come before God in faith and reveal the truth to others.

No condemnation for those in Christ.

You might be in for a nasty shock one day with that sort of smug attitude! You don't present your case well, and bring the faith into disrepute.

[Stranger]

In medicine, a disorder is a functional abnormality or disturbance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disease#Terminology
So they were right, in the sense that homosexuality interferes with the function of reproduction.

So, we should try to cure all those who have the mental disorder of wanting to use contraception in order to limit the number of children that are born to those that are wanted and can actually be looked after?

Or do regard any sex that is not an attempt at conception as a mental disorder? If that is the case, I think most of the word's population need treatment.

In never ceases to amaze me what appalling and damaging nonsense people are prepared to believe because of religion...