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Re: Food for thought for Christians
« Reply #50 on: April 01, 2016, 11:52:03 AM »
Looks like Trollboy's not only draining Canada's reserves of dried grass he's having to increase to three shifts of East European migrant workers to knock out all those straw men.

Must be exhausting work.
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Re: Food for thought for Christians
« Reply #51 on: April 01, 2016, 11:52:21 AM »
Complete cuntism.

Urban Dictionary tells me that is a strict religious group that worships the vagina.

I don't recall joining such a group - I think I'd remember....

 :)

Anyway, back to your evidence or reasoning...
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Re: Food for thought for Christians
« Reply #52 on: April 01, 2016, 11:57:36 AM »
That is completely non sequitur to a request to provide evidence to justify things someone does believe in.

Evasion noted.
In which case tell me the things I believe in - noting that we are only talking about things which I believe are objectively true, not just true for me - and I'd be happy to oblige.

But I am glad you now accept that there is no requirement for an atheist to provide any justification for the things they don't believe in, in other words god or gods.
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Re: Food for thought for Christians
« Reply #53 on: April 01, 2016, 12:02:37 PM »
Dear Stranger,

I was about to have a word with our Vlad but,

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Urban Dictionary tells me that is a strict religious group that worships the vagina.

Are there badges and can I join :P

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« Reply #54 on: April 01, 2016, 12:06:01 PM »
Urban Dictionary tells me that is a strict religious group that worships the vagina.

I don't recall joining such a group - I think I'd remember....

 :)

Anyway, back to your evidence or reasoning...

There were some characters in the Bible who appeared to worship the prowess of their penises, the amount of bonking that went on! ;D

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Re: Food for thought for Christians
« Reply #55 on: April 01, 2016, 12:12:18 PM »
Looks like Trollboy's not only draining Canada's reserves of dried grass he's having to increase to three shifts of East European migrant workers to knock out all those straw men.

Must be exhausting work.
It's just the problem of essentialism Hillside, my old Mighty morphin' power variable philosopher.

What do you call people who won't settle on a name for themselves....Brights, atheists, hard atheists, soft atheists, atheists who could probably do with a spell in the fridge?

I remember a laddy so keen to crash onto the board and announce himself as an unashamed philosophical materialist.......until I handed his ass in a sling regarding how he demonstrated that.....then the evasion started among the ''whatevers''.

So now we have people who either ''have no beliefs'', or ''beliefs that others can somehow by the power of mysticism not comprehend'' so they can suggest strongly but never be pinned down as proposing anything.

I know....let's call it opposition without proposition. Of course you are all ontological naturalists and that is both implicit and explicit in people willing to describe experience other than empirical as delusion,illusion etc.

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Re: Food for thought for Christians
« Reply #56 on: April 01, 2016, 12:13:13 PM »
Gonners,

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Are there badges and can I join :P

Yeah but you'll need to pick a side because there's been a schism. The One True Church of the Otter's Pocket have (ahem) split from the more evangelical Holy Sepulchre of the Panty Hamster lot over an important doctrinal dispute. Something to do with Brazil I hear, but I'm a bit vague on the details.   
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Re: Food for thought for Christians
« Reply #57 on: April 01, 2016, 12:17:48 PM »
I'm a bit vague on the details.   
No change there then.

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Re: Food for thought for Christians
« Reply #58 on: April 01, 2016, 12:19:40 PM »


I know....let's call it opposition without proposition. Of course you are all ontological naturalists and that is both implicit and explicit in people willing to describe experience other than empirical as delusion,illusion etc.

That's not me then.

All I say is that we can mistakenly attribute a cause to an experience. Surely you agree with that?

So assuming that you do agree how do we check that we are not mistaken? AND NO, I AM NOT ASKING FOR A NATURALISTIC SCIENTIFIC METHOD. Any bloody method will do as long as it can distinguish between mistaken and not mistaken.

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Re: Food for thought for Christians
« Reply #59 on: April 01, 2016, 12:20:11 PM »

I remember a laddy so keen to crash onto the board and announce himself as an unashamed philosophical materialist.......until I handed his ass in a sling regarding how he demonstrated that.....then the evasion started among the ''whatevers''.


Ye Gods! You can be an arrogant prat, can't you!

I've lost count of the number of times that various posters, cleverer ones than I, on this forum have handed your lard-arse in a sling!
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« Reply #60 on: April 01, 2016, 12:23:15 PM »
... or ''beliefs that others can somehow by the power of mysticism not comprehend'' so they can suggest strongly but never be pinned down as proposing anything.
Isn't that the main claim of many of the theists here - that us atheists simply can't comprehend their faith (we are somehow too dim) or that it has to sit in a special box of claims that can be justified simply by saying 'it's true' - yet that box isn't extended to all other unevidenced claims.

Problem is Vlad you sound as if you are talking about yourself rather more than you are talking about others here.

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Re: Food for thought for Christians
« Reply #61 on: April 01, 2016, 12:25:38 PM »
"Hello? Is that Trollboy Enterprises?

It is? Good. The All Canada Board of Dried Grass Producers and Exporters here. Look, we're having a bit of a problem supplying you with all these extra orders for straw. We've asked around for you and apparently there's some capacity left in Argentina but, to be frank, at the rate you're going they'll be out within the week too.

Why on earth do you need so many container loads of the stuff anyway?

What's that - bit of a crackly line I'm afraid, and you'll laugh at this but I could have sworn you said you're ramping up your straw man production!   

Say what now? You did say that! Wow, that must be quite a production line you've got going there Buddy...

Look, do they all have to be real straw? Could you consider using synthetics for a bit maybe, you know just until our new harvest comes in?

No? You insist on mass producing using the old methods? Well, I admire your sense of tradition Mr Trollboy but I'm afraid your ambitions here significantly outstrip supply.

Have you thought of trying the Chinese?

Hello? Hello?"   
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Re: Food for thought for Christians
« Reply #62 on: April 01, 2016, 12:26:43 PM »
Gonners,

Yeah but you'll need to pick a side because there's been a schism. The One True Church of the Otter's Pocket have (ahem) split from the more evangelical Holy Sepulchre of the Panty Hamster lot over an important doctrinal dispute. Something to do with Brazil I hear, but I'm a bit vague on the details.   
You're all a bunch of splitters - the Church of the Badly Packed Kebab is the only one true church.
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Re: Food for thought for Christians
« Reply #63 on: April 01, 2016, 12:27:50 PM »
It's just the problem of essentialism ...
Oh fucking hell, he's found another word to misunderstand and misuse  :o
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Re: Food for thought for Christians
« Reply #64 on: April 01, 2016, 12:31:43 PM »
It's just the problem of essentialism Hillside, my old Mighty morphin' power variable philosopher.

What do you call people who won't settle on a name for themselves....Brights, atheists, hard atheists, soft atheists, atheists who could probably do with a spell in the fridge?

I remember a laddy so keen to crash onto the board and announce himself as an unashamed philosophical materialist.......until I handed his ass in a sling regarding how he demonstrated that.....then the evasion started among the ''whatevers''.

So now we have people who either ''have no beliefs'', or ''beliefs that others can somehow by the power of mysticism not comprehend'' so they can suggest strongly but never be pinned down as proposing anything.

I know....let's call it opposition without proposition. Of course you are all ontological naturalists and that is both implicit and explicit in people willing to describe experience other than empirical as delusion,illusion etc.

-sigh-

Still waiting for some argument or evidence for any gods.
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Re: Food for thought for Christians
« Reply #65 on: April 01, 2016, 12:34:31 PM »
Shakes,

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You're all a bunch of splitters - the Church of the Badly Packed Kebab is the only one true church.

But their schism from the True Begotten Order of the Bacon Sandwich lot was so nuanced that it passed most of us by. Interestingly I hear that Muffin Methodists are packing them in these days, but that's another story... 
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Re: Food for thought for Christians
« Reply #66 on: April 01, 2016, 12:36:37 PM »
Oh fucking hell, he's found another word to misunderstand and misuse  :o

Yep - he read about saw it here (by his favourite atheist):
http://www.edge.org/response-detail/25366
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Re: Food for thought for Christians
« Reply #67 on: April 01, 2016, 12:37:10 PM »
Shakes,

But their schism from the True Begotten Order of the Bacon Sandwich lot was so nuanced that it passed most of us by. Interestingly I hear that Muffin Methodists are packing them in these days, but that's another story...
No, you're thinking of the Beef Curtains Baptists.
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Re: Food for thought for Christians
« Reply #68 on: April 01, 2016, 12:37:43 PM »
Some,

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Still waiting for some argument or evidence for any gods.

Can I suggest that you pull up a seat, order another frappuccino and start a good book; War and Peace should do it. You're gonna have a long wait...
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Re: Food for thought for Christians
« Reply #69 on: April 01, 2016, 12:44:48 PM »
Shakes,

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Oh fucking hell, he's found another word to misunderstand and misuse  :o

Quite. I used to wonder whether Trollboy was a very stupid poster making very stupid posts because he knew no better, or an intelligent poster deliberately making stupid and dishonest posts his trolling ways to pursue.

I've concluded now that he's a hybrid of the two - just intelligent enough to put together more or less comprehensible sentences, but not intelligent enough to troll without being recognised as a troll. Why he persists on polluting this mb when he's been found out is anyone's guess, but there it is nonetheless.   
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Re: Food for thought for Christians
« Reply #70 on: April 01, 2016, 12:47:16 PM »
Dear Blue and Shaker,

Oh Dear!! but it is Friday and it is all atheist day, what :P :P I am surprised that the Christians have not dragged that one out today, although reading Spud and Hopes views on homosexuality, I am wondering who exactly is the fool, although the word fool, I think is not strong enough :-[ :(

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« Reply #71 on: April 01, 2016, 12:48:07 PM »
Ye Gods! You can be an arrogant prat, can't you!

I've lost count of the number of times that various posters, cleverer ones than I, on this forum have handed your lard-arse in a sling!
You wish.........

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Re: Food for thought for Christians
« Reply #72 on: April 01, 2016, 12:53:27 PM »
You wish.........

Well stop being shy then.

I will repeat my earlier question.

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That's not me then.

All I say is that we can mistakenly attribute a cause to an experience. Surely you agree with that?

So assuming that you do agree how do we check that we are not mistaken? AND NO, I AM NOT ASKING FOR A NATURALISTIC SCIENTIFIC METHOD. Any bloody method will do as long as it can distinguish between mistaken and not mistaken.


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Re: Food for thought for Christians
« Reply #73 on: April 01, 2016, 12:55:05 PM »
Shakes,

Quite. I used to wonder whether Trollboy was a very stupid poster making very stupid posts because he knew no better, or an intelligent poster deliberately making stupid and dishonest posts his trolling ways to pursue.

I've concluded now that he's a hybrid of the two - just intelligent enough to put together more or less comprehensible sentences, but not intelligent enough to troll without being recognised as a troll. Why he persists on polluting this mb when he's been found out is anyone's guess, but there it is nonetheless.   
.....Any progress on getting from methodological naturalism to ontological naturalism?

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Re: Food for thought for Christians
« Reply #74 on: April 01, 2016, 01:00:28 PM »
Stephen,

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Well stop being shy then.

I will repeat my earlier question.

Just to warn you, before you were here I once chased Trollboy all over this mb with that question, asking it dozens of times and never once did he manage an answer. Essentially his trolling consists entirely of lying about the arguments that undo his position and never, ever, ever even attempting an argument for whatever it is he believes in. After so many times of patiently explaining to him why two plus two does not equal five, only to be met with "Oh so you think the moon is made of cream cheese then" type replies I've given up feeding him.

It's your call though. 
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