Food for thought for Christians

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I would imagine in the late 50s and early 60s a vanishingly small percentage of the population would even have a clue what humanism was, nor secularism, let alone being mailed to the mast secular humanists.

Frankly the notion that when growing up you'd have had a clue that the people living in your area were secular humanists (which remember doesn't come with obvious outward signs such as going to church) is laughable. Vlad you really are full of sh**e.

My parents didn't go to church and I never knew anybody who did. We were put in Sunday school to give mum a break.......my brother went to Scripture Union and my dad and I would scoff at him on his return home.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Len,

And Jonique Anoo is a kind of prat.

Bit harsh - why "kind of"?

[Owlswing]

Len,

Bit harsh - why "kind of"?

Because Len has some manners?

[bluehillside Retd.]

Owls,

Because Len has some manners?

OK, fair enough.

PS You do know that I was making a joke right?

[Owlswing]

Owls,

OK, fair enough.

PS You do know that I was making a joke right?

Oh! Sorry! Did I ruin the punch line? Not intentional let me assure you! Put it down to tiredness after reading through twenty tons of Vladdishit!

[SqueakyVoice]

I know trainspotters are nuts (I was one until the end of steam locomotives) but I certainly do not know of a single trainspotter's club that would be nuts enough to accept Vlad as a member!

Personally, I've been in several clubs down the years and I reckon all of them would accept that vlad is a member.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Squeaks,

Personally, I've been in several clubs down the years and I reckon all of them would accept that vlad is a member.

Not even the Bullshit Society?

The Mendacity Club?

The Worshipful Company of Irrationalists?

The Ancient Order of Misrepresenters, Misunderstanders and Misdescribers?

The Royal Chapter of Trollers & Turd Polishers?

Someone must want him surely…?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Personally, I've been in several clubs down the years and I reckon all of them would accept that vlad is a member.

Lol

[SqueakyVoice]

bhs,

Do you want to have another read of my previous post?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Squeaks,

Not even the Bullshit Society?

The Mendacity Club?

The Worshipful Company of Irrationalists?

The Ancient Order of Misrepresenters, Misunderstanders and Misdescribers?

The Royal Chapter of Trollers & Turd Polishers?

Someone must want him surely…?

well YOU found it funny and I guess that's what counts.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

bhs,

Do you want to have another read of my previous post?

Leave him, he's happy.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Squeaks,

Do you want to have another read of my previous post?

Oh yeah - sorry. Given his disgraceful behaviour here I must have thought that there was a "never" missing in there somewhere...

[Owlswing]

Personally, I've been in several clubs down the years and I reckon all of them would accept that vlad is a member.

This does not say a lot for the clubs that you have been in!


To paraphrase Groucho Marx, "I wouldn't want to be a member of any club that would have Vlad as a member".

[Leonard James]

Len,

Bit harsh - why "kind of"?

 

Just reiterating the construction of the post I was answering.

"A troll boy is a type of hat."

[Leonard James]

Because Len has some manners?

I don't consider mocking a mocker as bad manners. 

[Étienne d'Angleterre]

Dear Mr. Anoo,

Any chance of a response?

I suggest in this case you need to investigate how your friend holds faith in an as yet unreleased messiah.

Through his personal experience of God.

[ProfessorDavey]

My parents didn't go to church and I never knew anybody who did. We were put in Sunday school to give mum a break.......my brother went to Scripture Union and my dad and I would scoff at him on his return home.

I'm not talking about you Vlad, I'm talking about the general population when and where you were growing up.

You claimed that most people were secular humanists - I challenged you on that given that even growing up through the 1960s and 70s (later than you) the concepts of secularism and humanism were pretty well invisible - how on earth do you know that most people were secular humanists Vlad - I think you are talking junk. I would suggest the reality was that most people were either church going christians or non church goers who still considered themselves to basically be christian and certainly not secular humanists.

Certainly I don't think that the concepts of secularism nor humanism were ever discussed during my (non faith) schooling, the default was always christianity.

[Rhiannon]

I thought religion was bigger in Scitland because of sectarianism.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Dear Mr. Anoo,

Any chance of a response?




Through his personal experience of God.

I still maintain there are problems in classifying his non experience of Christ as an experience.

We can grant him a possible experience of God as you grant me a possible experience of God.

Presumably your friend then believes that Jesus' bones are still somewhere if turned to dust.

The question now is, does he sincerely hold that belief in the same way an atheist can sincerely hold that belief?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I thought religion was bigger in Scitland because of sectarianism.

I think lots of people used to demonstrate that you can be atheist and anti-Catholic simultaneously...............hence jokes like are you a  protestant jew or a catholic jew?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I'm not talking about you Vlad, I'm talking about the general population when and where you were growing up.

You claimed that most people were secular humanists - I challenged you on that given that even growing up through the 1960s and 70s (later than you) the concepts of secularism and humanism were pretty well invisible - how on earth do you know that most people were secular humanists Vlad - I think you are talking junk. I would suggest the reality was that most people were either church going christians or non church goers who still considered themselves to basically be christian and certainly not secular humanists.

Certainly I don't think that the concepts of secularism nor humanism were ever discussed during my (non faith) schooling, the default was always christianity.

secular humanists are still in confusion over what they are today.
I know the default was ''anglican'' but that was merely for forms,etc
indeed the BHA has taken the lead in reversing what it sees as a historical and habitual propensity to tick the Anglican box on the census.
CS Lewises books written in the 40's were aimed at a whole population for whom being Christian was merely trying to live a good life and doing good deeds....basically a form of secular humanism.

[Étienne d'Angleterre]

I still maintain there are problems in classifying his non experience of Christ as an experience.

We can grant him a possible experience of God as you grant me a possible experience of God.

Presumably your friend then believes that Jesus' bones are still somewhere if turned to dust.

The question now is, does he sincerely hold that belief in the same way an atheist can sincerely hold that belief?

He is not classifying his non experience of Christ as an experience.

He is saying that his experience of God excludes the possibility of a divine Jesus.

You both hold your opinions on the divinity of Jesus based on your experience. One of you is wrong.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

He is not classifying his non experience of Christ as an experience.

He is saying that his experience of God excludes the possibility of a divine Jesus.

You both hold your opinions on the divinity of Jesus based on your experience. One of you is wrong.

Well, you have my concerns and without further data on his experience, I cant see how his belief that Jesus is a man is any different from an atheist's.

Whose your money on being wrong.....and why?

[jjohnjil]

secular humanists are still in confusion over what they are today.
I know the default was ''anglican'' but that was merely for forms,etc
indeed the BHA has taken the lead in reversing what it sees as a historical and habitual propensity to tick the Anglican box on the census.
CS Lewises books written in the 40's were aimed at a whole population for whom being Christian was merely trying to live a good life and doing good deeds....basically a form of secular humanism.

I must jump in here and agree with you on this one, Vlad ... I may never get another chance!

Where I grew up in 1940/50s London, I knew of no one who went to church.  Sunday school was to get the kids out of the way for an hour and 'Christian' was for the form filling.

Strangely, I still use that meaningless (to me) term when asked my religion.   

[Étienne d'Angleterre]

Well, you have my concerns and without further data on his experience, I cant see how his belief that Jesus is a man is any different from an atheist's.

Whose your money on being wrong.....and why?

I agree I don't think his opinion on Jesus as a man is different. So what? Not accepting the divinity of Jesus does not make you an atheist.

The point is that personal experience clearly isn't a totally reliable guide to objective truth.