Ole Miss, some mainly Christians, the whole gays aren't equal thing

[floo]

Yes Floo, Hope's attitude on this is exactly similar to racism, it doesn't sit that well with his generally holier than thou persona.

ippy

A lot of Christians would have backed the slave trade, or been involved in it.

When I was a kid a couple of missionaries came to talk to our pentecostal church about how they were converting the heathen in Africa. They used the 'N' word frequently, and it was clear they didn't think of them as the equal of Caucasians!> I was only about 8 or 9 at the time, but remember feeling uncomfortable about the way they presented their mission.

My Mother's aunt married a Ghanaian living in the UK, and they had a little girl. This was regarded as totally shocking in the early 30s; they were shunned by their neighbours and not welcome at the church my Great-Aunt used to attend before her marriage.

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

Well done on the respect there, Jeremy. I was going to say that Hope's argument is such a load of complete and utter shite so cringeworthy to read that you want to chew your own fist off in embarrassment.

Better duck Hope - low flying marshmellows 

[Aruntraveller]

Better duck Hope - low flying marshmellows 

Birds of a feather.

I note your support for people who would wish to discriminate against me as a gay man - and presumably against yourself as a Muslim woman if I have read your previous posts correctly.

The only thing I can think of to say is be careful what you wish for.

[floo]

Better duck Hope - low flying marshmellows 

You aren't funny!

[jeremyp]

Well done on the respect there, Jeremy. I was going to say that Hope's argument is such a load of complete and utter shite so cringeworthy to read that you want to chew your own fist off in embarrassment.

With respect, you do know that prefixing a sentence with "with respect" means you are about to trash the other person in a disrespectful way but adding "with respect" at the front makes it all OK again.

Hope has, unfortunately, recently been ill so I expect he is taking a lot of drugs to keep him well. But OMG CRACK COCAINE IS A DRUG! Therefore, according to his "logic" all drugs are bad.

[Sassy]

I simply don't understand it. Why would anybody want to discriminate against someone just because they have a different sexuality to your own?

I just can't understand it at all.

Why do you discriminate against Christians because they hold different beliefs about God, to those held by you?

Doesn't work does it?  Of, course you understand it... Some people do not like people who hold different beliefs to that of their own.

You expect people to believe you can be unbias to one whilst holding bias views to another... Fickle ain't you?

[Sassy]

Because God said so.

Actually it is because they are small minded fuckwits who are scared of people who are a bit different.

You mean like people who treat Christians that way?

Vicious circle if you ask me... may be hypocrit fits them all more aptly.

[Shaker]

Why do you discriminate against Christians because they hold different beliefs about God, to those held by you?

He doesn't.

The established state church trying to prevent secular civil marriage (i.e. absolutely none of their concern in any way whatever) - that's discrimination.

Criticising ugly, poisonous (or merely daft) beliefs isn't.

[Sebastian Toe]

Why do you discriminate against Christians because they hold different beliefs about God, to those held by you?

Does he? Really?

In what way does Stephen discriminate against Christians?

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

Birds of a feather.

I note your support for people who would wish to discriminate against me as a gay man - and presumably against yourself as a Muslim woman if I have read your previous posts correctly.

The only thing I can think of to say is be careful what you wish for.

I have different priorities from you, and different outlook on the balance of competing freedoms and rights. My current view is that I prefer a world where people have the freedom to express disapproval of lifestyle or behaviour even if I'm the subject of their disapproval - so long as it is not vigilantism. I am ok with flocking with birds who feel the same way.

[Sassy]

Ole Miss,  some mainly Christians, the whole gays aren't equal thing

I have to challenge this... it has been bothering me that the opening statement says "Gays aren't equal thing".
So I ask... Equal in what way?

They can live openly and without stress so they are treated equally to all as far as their sexual orientation.
I am not sure how them being homosexual would lessen their equality to all other human beings?

Is the writer of the thread making a statement that they are NOT equal. What is it that they claim Christians
are saying they are not equal in. Is it their homosexuality or themselves as human beings?


I really have to ask what the writer means and to explain themselves.

Thank you

[Sebastian Toe]

I have different priorities from you, and different outlook on the balance of competing freedoms and rights. My current view is that I prefer a world where people have the freedom to express disapproval of lifestyle or behaviour even if I'm the subject of their disapproval - so long as it is not vigilantism. I am ok with flocking with birds who feel the same way.

even if that disapproval takes the form of back-door discrimination?
eg Sorry madam but you can't shop here, because I disapprove of your 'lifestyle'.

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

You aren't funny!

I know - it almost makes you want to chew your own fist off in embarrassment for me.

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

even if that disapproval takes the form of back-door discrimination?
eg Sorry madam but you can't shop here, because I disapprove of your 'lifestyle'.

No, I was thinking of in the context of the bill - so i can't force a business to celebrate my lifestyle choices - so I can't hold a meeting in support of Britain becoming an Islamic state through peaceful dawah and conversion in a restaurant's private dining area if the owner doesn't support that belief.

[Sassy]

A lot of Christians would have backed the slave trade, or been involved in it.

It was a believer in God who called for the abolishing of the slave trade.

Abraham Lincoln's position on slavery is one of the central issues in American history.

Lincoln often expressed moral opposition to slavery in public and private.[1] Initially, he expected to bring about the eventual extinction of slavery by stopping its further expansion into any U.S. territory, and by proposing compensated emancipation (an offer Congress applied to Washington, D.C.) in his early presidency. Lincoln stood by the Republican Party's platform of 1860, which stated that slavery should not be allowed to expand into any more territories.

When I was a kid a couple of missionaries came to talk to our pentecostal church about how they were converting the heathen in Africa. They used the 'N' word frequently, and it was clear they didn't think of them as the equal of Caucasians!> I was only about 8 or 9 at the time, but remember feeling uncomfortable about the way they presented their mission.

Opinion and prejudicial. Eddie Murphy is black and used the 'N' word in Beverley Hills Cop 2. Does that make him a racist too?
At 8 I did not even know racism existed and I certainly had never heard the nigger word other than in a rhyme much later on.
"God made the little nigger boys he made them in a night. He made them in a hurry he forgot to paint them white."
No difference between black and white boys they were all made by God. True believers know that there is no black and white in the Kingdom of heaven. Do you never stop and think your bigoted point of views started early on?

My Mother's aunt married a Ghanaian living in the UK, and they had a little girl. This was regarded as totally shocking in the early 30s; they were shunned by their neighbours and not welcome at the church my Great-Aunt used to attend before her marriage.

Really! Who performed the wedding ceremony then?
What was regarded as totally shocking in the 30's?  Why would neighbours shun them?
I do not get it... Want to explain and tell us where they were married. Did you witness these things or are they hear say?
You were not even born in the 1930's in fact it is all hearsay, isn't it?

[Sebastian Toe]

No, I was thinking of in the context of the bill - so i can't force a business to celebrate my lifestyle choices - so I can't hold a meeting in support of Britain becoming an Islamic state through peaceful dawah and conversion in a restaurant's private dining area if the owner doesn't support that belief.

..is it only the celebration that is being discussed then?

[Sebastian Toe]

You were not even born in the 1930's in fact it is all hearsay, isn't it?

That's a keeper!

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

..is it only the celebration that is being discussed then?

That's what I understood from the link to the bill - I pasted a quote from it. Have I misunderstood the bill?

[Sebastian Toe]

That's what I understood from the link to the bill - I pasted a quote from it. Have I misunderstood the bill?

I just hadn't spotted that, I'll have a look.

[floo]

It was a believer in God who called for the abolishing of the slave trade.

Abraham Lincoln's position on slavery is one of the central issues in American history.
Opinion and prejudicial. Eddie Murphy is black and used the 'N' word in Beverley Hills Cop 2. Does that make him a racist too?
At 8 I did not even know racism existed and I certainly had never heard the nigger word other than in a rhyme much later on.
"God made the little nigger boys he made them in a night. He made them in a hurry he forgot to paint them white."
No difference between black and white boys they were all made by God. True believers know that there is no black and white in the Kingdom of heaven. Do you never stop and think your bigoted point of views started early on?
Really! Who performed the wedding ceremony then?
What was regarded as totally shocking in the 30's?  Why would neighbours shun them?
I do not get it... Want to explain and tell us where they were married. Did you witness these things or are they hear say?
You were not even born in the 1930's in fact it is all hearsay, isn't it?

My Great-Aunt told me of her horrific experiences. She didn't get married in her family church but faraway in London with none of her family present!

As for hearsay well that is HILARIOUS coming from someone who believes the Bible to be true!

[Étienne d'Angleterre]

Why do you discriminate against Christians because they hold different beliefs about God, to those held by you?

Doesn't work does it?  Of, course you understand it... Some people do not like people who hold different beliefs to that of their own.

You expect people to believe you can be unbias to one whilst holding bias views to another... Fickle ain't you?

Do I?

Can you point me to an example?

[ippy]

I have different priorities from you, and different outlook on the balance of competing freedoms and rights. My current view is that I prefer a world where people have the freedom to express disapproval of lifestyle or behaviour even if I'm the subject of their disapproval - so long as it is not vigilantism. I am ok with flocking with birds who feel the same way.

I admire your way of acceptance of anyone calling you boot nose, or worse and you don't give a fig about it, I'm much the same, by the way I'm not calling you boot nose, I have no reason to do so. If I did? (Supposed humour).

In Hope's case, he will do his best to convey this particular battering with marshmallows doesn't bother him in any way, but if you look back into his past postings they convey just the opposite.

Now if you in fact look into his posts on this thread it makes me wonder how anybody can make such horrible remarks as he does about and directly to gay people, there several gay people on this forum so I have seen where they have stated that they are gay, other than that, I have zero interest in anyone's sexuality whatever it happens to be.

I do however take offence at racial remarks, I have two mixed race sons and offensive remarks made against any other person that happens to be the way they are because that's the way they were born, as with my sons.

Hope, the paragon of virtue a prime example to his community, is another one of those unthinking brain dead locked in by dogma homophobes and hasn't got the strength of character to stand up against these disgusting views and be counted as one of the more enlightened ones in his group, maybe he hasn't got the guts to stand up and be counted on this issue.

I can't imagine why he seems to have some need to spit out this vile obnoxious bile of his, if it's his affiliation to whatever the religious beliefs of his group happens to be, it doesn't say a lot for them either.

ippy 



 
 

[Sassy]

That's a keeper!

It cuts both ways... ST so what now?

The comment you made not useful at all...

[Sassy]

My Great-Aunt told me of her horrific experiences. She didn't get married in her family church but faraway in London with none of her family present!

As for hearsay well that is HILARIOUS coming from someone who believes the Bible to be true!

Well Jesus Christ can confirm it is true by his presence. Can your aunt? Well not so hilarious after all. You are just your usual uninformed opinionated self. No change there then?

[Sassy]

Do I?

Can you point me to an example?

YOUR POSTS.... IS he for real?