Then by agreeing with this:
You are saying that Hope holds vile views because he certainly wishes to discriminate against gay people. He opposed both civil partnerships and gay marriage which is an entirely discriminatory position to take.
I'm saying Hope has the same right to disagree with gay marriage and civil partnerships in the same way he may also disagree with single parent families or sex before marriage.
We all have a right to disagree with him, just the same.
Originally I wasn't sure about the necessity for gay marriage, but have come to the view it doesn't harm anyone IMO.
So why not?
My only concern is forcing it on those who don't want it in their particular church/mosque/synagogue / temple.
If two adults want to commit to each other and have it recognised in law and accepted as a marriage it doesn't really effect anyone else.
Neither does one man with three wives or one wife with three husbands.
If they are all old enough, consenting and happy, does it matter?
I had a hard time online at the old BBC site for saying that ( on the Muslim Board), even one poster threatening violence to me if they could ever find me....
( some people are also Islamaphobic)
Some people think anything other than, one man and one woman, is immoral.
As Rhiannon often says " it's none of my business" ( although usually she is talking about herself).
In some ways debate is good about subjects, but only when different opinions give the logic behind the opinion.
Sometimes it doesn't, it just becomes about insulting people and saying how awful they are.
Sometimes though a gem comes up that puts a POV without all the shock horror hate stuff.
You put good posts Trent, so does Gonnagle and quite a few others.
It's the good arguments that influence people and make a difference, not the ones that just express disgust.
Sometimes threads can be in danger of losing sight of that.
Perhaps we need to try and be more objective.
