Are there vile homophobic views on this forum

[Étienne d'Angleterre]

Here is  the relevant quote from Sassy.

"Everyone knows that there is no vile homophobic views held by the Christians at all on this site. Just your false accusations and using such as a rod to beat the Christians. You have proved my point. Because only YOU believe any vile homophobic views actually exist."

[Nearly Sane]

Here is  the relevant quote from Sassy.

"Everyone knows that there is no vile homophobic views held by the Christians at all on this site. Just your false accusations and using such as a rod to beat the Christians. You have proved my point. Because only YOU believe any vile homophobic views actually exist."

Leaving aside non forum stuff, on here I've seen argued that homosexual sex is as the same as murder (Hope), that homosexuals are mentally ill or disordered, (Spud), that you should be able to choose not to teach them, that burning to death is a joke, or that being killed might be defensible (cymrudinnion). Just off top of head

[floo]

I have seen some evil and disgusting anti-gay comments over the years. One 'Christian' poster, now banned, said he would turn a blind eye if a gay was being beaten up.

[Nearly Sane]

Leaving aside non forum stuff, on here I've seen argued that homosexual sex is as the same as murder (Hope), that homosexuals are mentally ill or disordered, (Spud), that you should be able to choose not to teach them, that burning to death is a joke, or that being killed might be defensible (cymrudinnion). Just off top of head

And that's leaving aside any idea that they shouldn't be allowed to marry which was widespread, though there are a number of honourable exceptions on that.

[Hope]

Interesting set of wording, Stephen. 

I have never seen a homophobic view expressed here that I would consider vile

This is the equivalent of a double negative!!  The very meaning of the word 'homophobic', in the hands of those who use it, is 'vile'.

[Brownie]

Re: the second option: I couldn't believe that someone could say something so vile about homosexual people.
you don't quote the ''something so vile'' so I don't know what you mean.

[Shaker]

Re: the second option: I couldn't believe that someone could say something so vile about homosexual people.
you don't quote the ''something so vile'' so I don't know what you mean.

See Nearly Sane's reply #1.

[Étienne d'Angleterre]

Interesting set of wording, Stephen. 
This is the equivalent of a double negative!!  The very meaning of the word 'homophobic', in the hands of those who use it, is 'vile'.

I don't think that is necessarily true.

I think Gonnagle says he was homophobic and still is uneasy about Gay relitionshipst but has realised that it is his problem (many many apologies if I remember that wrong Gonnagle, but I am sure you said something like that recently). I don't think that is vile.

Calling someone damaged because they are homosexual is vile in my, and I think most peoples, opinion.

How are the replies to the questions on the archbishop thread coming along?

[Étienne d'Angleterre]

Re: the second option: I couldn't believe that someone could say something so vile about homosexual people.
you don't quote the ''something so vile'' so I don't know what you mean.

Simply, have you seen a view against homosexuality expressed on this forum that you consider vile?

[Brownie]

Yes.  From the question, I thought there was one particular thing that had been said recently, perhaps today, that I hadn't seen.  Thanksl

[Étienne d'Angleterre]

Interesting set of wording, Stephen. 
This is the equivalent of a double negative!!  The very meaning of the word 'homophobic', in the hands of those who use it, is 'vile'.

Oh dear. I saw this and thought, hey he is back online!

I nipped over to the Archbishop thread eager to read you replies to the pertinent questions put to you but alas! there were non.

I have some academic addresses for you to write to in order to tell them they are wasting their time and that no scientific explanation is possible.

Just let me know when you want them.

[Stranger]

I really wish you hadn't put "I couldn't believe..." at the start of the second option. I've seen some vile posts about about homosexual people but, unfortunately, I found them unsurprising and all too believable. It's what religion does to some people.

[Étienne d'Angleterre]

I really wish you hadn't put "I couldn't believe..." at the start of the second option. I've seen some vile posts about about homosexual people but, unfortunately, I found them unsurprising and all too believable. It's what religion does to some people.

Fair enough

I'll take that as a yes then.

[Spud]

Leaving aside non forum stuff, on here I've seen argued that homosexual sex is as the same as murder (Hope), that homosexuals are mentally ill or disordered, (Spud), that you should be able to choose not to teach them, that burning to death is a joke, or that being killed might be defensible (cymrudinnion). Just off top of head

Regarding what I said: How is describing homosexuality as a disorder (of sexual orientation), vile and homophobic?

[Brownie]

I really wish you hadn't put "I couldn't believe..." at the start of the second option. I've seen some vile posts about about homosexual people but, unfortunately, I found them unsurprising and all too believable. It's what religion does to some people.

I too didn't find anything said on here ''unbelievable''.  To find such comments on a forum is all too believable!  However some of the things cited as 'vile' are, imo, misunderstood comments or things taken out of context.  Others are pretty awful and stem from ignorance.
I've heard far worse, no-one here has called homosexuals, ''Degenerates'' or the like and I've seen that before now on a forum, which was quite shocking.  Here on the R&E forum no-one seems to hate anyone because of their sexual orientation.

[Nearly Sane]

I too didn't find anything said on here ''unbelievable''.  To find such comments on a forum is all too believable!  However some of the things cited as 'vile' are, imo, misunderstood comments or things taken out of context.  Others are pretty awful and stem from ignorance.
I've heard far worse, no-one here has called homosexuals, ''Degenerates'' or the like and I've seen that before now on a forum, which was quite shocking.  Here on the R&E forum no-one seems to hate anyone because of their sexual orientation.

If someone says active homosexuality is wrong in the same way as murder, I fail to see the difference between that and 'degenerate' in scale.

[Nearly Sane]

To be fair, since cymrudinnion was banned with his comments that he didn't see anything wrong about laughing about homosexuals being burned to death, I haven't seen anything I couldn't believe had been said.

Occasionally Vlad gets close when instead of picking up theists who think that homosexuals are mentally disordered, picks up anyone who criticises such a position who isn't a theist for using homosexuality as an stick to beat theists. I don't give a flying duck (sic) what someone's position on theism is generally. I'll criticise any idiots that  happen to spread hate against my friends having the same rights as me, and arguing their love is 'mentally disordered'


And I'll add that occasionally  I have struggled to believe posters who when I cite the friends whose hospital beds I have visited because they were beaten up by some thug, whose position on the whole god thing I care nary a jot for, shout 'you're just being emotional' as if that is the wrong reaction to seeing someone on a ventilator because they kissed someone of the same sex.


So when someone touts the idea that Trent is 'diseased' as Sriram did, yes, I can 'believe' it but I won't allow it to stay unchallenged.

[Nearly Sane]

Regarding what I said: How is describing homosexuality as a disorder (of sexual orientation), vile and homophobic?

You said they were 'mentally' disordered., which as I pointed out means the same as 'mentally ill' which you withdrew to then just restate differently. You want to deny the rights of my friends to marry the person they love. You are vile and homophobic


And that's without your frequent pushing of the idea that homosexuality is similar to paedophilia

[SqueakyVoice]

I really wish you hadn't put "I couldn't believe..." at the start of the second option. I've seen some vile posts about about homosexual people but, unfortunately, I found them unsurprising and all too believable. It's what religion does to some people.

That just about sums it up for me as well.

Even Spud's ridiculous suggestion that Russia's intervention in Syria was more effective than Europe's/ the west's, which might be down to the different attitude/ legislation to homosexuality was all too tragically believable.

[Hope]

Leaving aside non forum stuff, on here I've seen argued that homosexual sex is as the same as murder (Hope), ...

Except, of course, that I've never ever said that, NS, here or elsewhere.  Instead I have pointed out that I believe the Bible to teach that homosexual relationships are sinful - which is also how it describes things like murder, lying, theft, fraud, selfishness, rape, greed, etc., etc.  It' a good idea, when making posts like this, to use the full context of others' posts, rather than cherry-picking a single term that conveniently supports your existing prejudices.

[Hope]

See Nearly Sane's reply #1.

Precisely, Shakes; a post that displays some horrendous prejudices.

[Hope]

If someone says active homosexuality is wrong in the same way as murder, I fail to see the difference between that and 'degenerate' in scale.

Well, NS, in God's eyes, 'sin' is 'sin'.  He doesn't go around grading it, as we do as a human society.  There is nothing wrong in a human society grading sinful actions, as we need to know how best to punish the perpetrator - both for themselves and for the sake of society.  On the other hand, God looks at things from a very different perspective as - for him - the issue is whether or not an action damages the relationship between him and a human being. 

[Hope]

Oh dear. I saw this and thought, hey he is back online!

I nipped over to the Archbishop thread eager to read you replies to the pertinent questions put to you but alas! there were non.

Clearly you haven't been following the thread particularly carefully.  I made my position clear on this particular topic in my reply #37 on that thread.

I have some academic addresses for you to write to in order to tell them they are wasting their time and that no scientific explanation is possible.

Just let me know when you want them.

Regarding the latter topic of discussion, I can give you the addresses of academics as well.  In fact, the very fact that both you and I could trade academics' addresses shows that there is no scientific or academic consensus - and that applies to both the former and the latter topics.

[Brownie]

Except, of course, that I've never ever said that, NS, here or elsewhere.  Instead I have pointed out that I believe the Bible to teach that homosexual relationships are sinful - which is also how it describes things like murder, lying, theft, fraud, selfishness, rape, greed, etc., etc.  It' a good idea, when making posts like this, to use the full context of others' posts, rather than cherry-picking a single term that conveniently supports your existing prejudices.

I'm glad you've responded to this Hope because I remember when it came up a little while ago, at the time I said I couldn't see how you were saying homosexual relationships were the same as murder.  I believed I understood what you meant and that what you said was misunderstood by others.  So, though I don't agree with you on this particular issue, in my opinion you haven't said anything 'vile'.

If you don't mind me bringing something up from the recent past, which I think is relevant, I'd like to ask you if you said Trentvoyager should see a doctor because of being gay or did you mean he should seek medical advice about something else?  Thanks.

[Hope]

If you don't mind me bringing something up from the recent past, which I think is relevant, I'd like to ask you if you said Trentvoyager should see a doctor because of being gay or did you mean he should seek medical advice about something else?  Thanks.

Not sure I said either, Brownie.  If anyone can find what they think is an example of this, I'd be happy to look at it.