Author Topic: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum  (Read 79096 times)

Saasy has told me I am the only one on this forum who thinks there have been vile homophobic views expressed here. I thought I would do her the honour of conducting some research to see if her view is correct.

I have never seen a homophobic view expressed here that I would consider vile.
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I couldn't believe that someone could say something so vile about homosexual people.
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Author Topic: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum  (Read 79096 times)

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Re: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum
« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2016, 10:31:17 PM »
You said they were 'mentally' disordered., which as I pointed out means the same as 'mentally ill' which you withdrew to then just restate differently. You want to deny the rights of my friends to marry the person they love. You are vile and homophobic


And that's without your frequent pushing of the idea that homosexuality is similar to paedophilia

Answer the question.

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Re: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum
« Reply #26 on: April 14, 2016, 10:37:13 PM »
Answer the question.

I did. Specifically and indeed tangentially.

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Re: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum
« Reply #27 on: April 14, 2016, 10:37:32 PM »
Precisely, Shakes; a post that displays some horrendous prejudices.
Indeed, with the holders of such identified by name.
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Re: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum
« Reply #28 on: April 14, 2016, 10:39:05 PM »
Not sure I said either, Brownie.  If anyone can find what they think is an example of this, I'd be happy to look at it.
Yes you did. It was what you were suspended for recently and the post removed - though not, I trust, deleted outright.
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Re: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum
« Reply #29 on: April 14, 2016, 10:40:47 PM »
Well, NS, in God's eyes, 'sin' is 'sin'.  He doesn't go around grading it, as we do as a human society.  There is nothing wrong in a human society grading sinful actions, as we need to know how best to punish the perpetrator - both for themselves and for the sake of society.  On the other hand, God looks at things from a very different perspective as - for him - the issue is whether or not an action damages the relationship between him and a human being.

Yep, so you lying about not comparing such things is the same as child murder, in your opinion

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Re: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum
« Reply #30 on: April 14, 2016, 10:45:24 PM »
Precisely, Shakes; a post that displays some horrendous prejudices.

In what way is it prejudiced given it points out that you think that my friends who are married are like child murderers? I think those are facts, see forum best bits, and of course your idea that Trentvoyager needs medical treatment.

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Re: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum
« Reply #31 on: April 14, 2016, 10:46:51 PM »
Not sure I said either, Brownie.  If anyone can find what they think is an example of this, I'd be happy to look at it.

It was a couple of weeks ago Hope but I can't find it, someone else might.  I understood that was why you were suspended.
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Re: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum
« Reply #32 on: April 14, 2016, 10:52:20 PM »
Not sure I said either, Brownie.  If anyone can find what they think is an example of this, I'd be happy to look at it.

Really, you cannot remember the thing you were banned for? How much lying do you think your Jesus would like? Why is it that you lie so frequently on here? If I hadn't seen you do this do often over such a long time, I would conclude your posts were a sick puppet of someone like Farmer's designed to metaphorically push on some forms of Christianity. After all why lie as continually as you do?

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Re: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum
« Reply #33 on: April 14, 2016, 10:56:38 PM »
Can someone link to the relevant post or at least quote it?  Not because I want to drag up something that is done and dusted but because it is relevant to this thread, also I previously said I wanted to ask Hope about it when he returned.  I can't find it but it must have been shortly before April 1st.
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Re: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum
« Reply #34 on: April 14, 2016, 11:18:16 PM »
I believe it was removed at the same time as Hope's suspension - which is understandable in one way but in another highly unfortunate, since it gives him the perfect excuse to weasel out of ever having suggested that trentvoyager should see a doctor, not for illness but for his sexuality (which of course Hope regards as a 'disorder').

The prunings and purges of this forum are highly unfortunate in that regard. I've been known to take screen caps of this kind of contemptible material so that the offender can't claim it was never said even after removal, but I missed this one :(
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Re: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum
« Reply #35 on: April 14, 2016, 11:24:34 PM »
I'm sure if we had the post to hand, Hope would explain what he meant.  It is a pity it was removed permanently, unless the mods have it in the mod room.  Maybe someone else has quoted it somewhere.  It seems a ridiculous suggestion that someone see a doctor because they are gay - I mean, if I went to my doctor and said, ''I am gay'', what would she say to me?  What would any doctor say? It doesn't ring true. That's why I have my doubts about what Hope meant though he obviously said something about seeing a doctor.
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Re: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum
« Reply #36 on: April 14, 2016, 11:27:44 PM »
I'm sure if we had the post to hand, Hope would explain what he meant.  It is a pity it was removed permanently, unless the mods have it in the mod room.  Maybe someone else has quoted it somewhere.  It seems a ridiculous suggestion that someone see a doctor because they are gay - I mean, if I went to my doctor and said, ''I am gay'', what would she say to me?  What would any doctor say? It doesn't ring true. That's why I have my doubts about what Hope meant though he obviously said something about seeing a doctor.

So you would be happy to have a post that said that trentvoyager needed to go to a doctor because he was gat as something on the forum? How about cymrudinnion's joke about people in a gay club burning to death? Should we still have that on the forum?

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Re: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum
« Reply #37 on: April 14, 2016, 11:28:38 PM »
I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for an explanation from the Artless Dodger, the sheriff of Dodge City, the Dodge of Venice, Roger the Dodger himself.
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Re: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum
« Reply #38 on: April 14, 2016, 11:29:33 PM »
I believe it was removed at the same time as Hope's suspension - which is understandable in one way but in another highly unfortunate, since it gives him the perfect excuse to weasel out of ever having suggested that trentvoyager should see a doctor, not for illness but for his sexuality (which of course Hope regards as a 'disorder').

The prunings and purges of this forum are highly unfortunate in that regard. I've been known to take screen caps of this kind of contemptible material so that the offender can't claim it was never said even after removal, but I missed this one :(


Which the poster in this case has used to his advantage on several occasions in the past to deny things which he regretted posting because others took serious exception! As, ofcourse, so did his friend OMW.
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Re: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum
« Reply #39 on: April 14, 2016, 11:30:21 PM »
Brownie - you may not be aware of the posting style of some on here. I can assure you the meaning was there even if it was couched in what would seem a reasonable way.

As a PS - I at no point asked for the post to be removed, as, like Shaker, I prefer contested things to remain - you can then at least see what was said, rather than indulging in rather pointless debate about withdrawn postings.
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Re: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum
« Reply #40 on: April 14, 2016, 11:33:06 PM »
I'm sure if we had the post to hand, Hope would explain what he meant.  It is a pity it was removed permanently, unless the mods have it in the mod room.  Maybe someone else has quoted it somewhere.  It seems a ridiculous suggestion that someone see a doctor because they are gay - I mean, if I went to my doctor and said, ''I am gay'', what would she say to me?  What would any doctor say? It doesn't ring true. That's why I have my doubts about what Hope meant though he obviously said something about seeing a doctor.



So what's your take here? The mods are lying, or wrong, or anyone who saw and reported the post is also lying or wrong?

How about the post I copied into the Best Bits where Hope specifically compares homosexual sex to murder?

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Re: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum
« Reply #41 on: April 14, 2016, 11:39:28 PM »
I'm not calling anyone a liar NS but we all get things wrong sometimes, I merely wondered if Hope meant Trent needed to see a doctor about something else and it was misinterpreted.  I believe what Trent says, above. 
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Re: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum
« Reply #42 on: April 14, 2016, 11:49:36 PM »
So you would be happy to have a post that said that trentvoyager needed to go to a doctor because he was gat as something on the forum? How about cymrudinnion's joke about people in a gay club burning to death? Should we still have that on the forum?
As foully objectionable as such things are, for them to remain on-forum - in some special holding pen, as it were - would prevent the sort of tactic that Hope is going to employ now, which is to feign innocence and ignorance with the "So where is it then?" shtick, trying to cast doubt that it ever existed at all even though several of us here remember it. We're talking only a few days ago after all.

There's nothing in life quite like a really stinging dollop of Schadenfreude, and in the above scenario to see somebody thoroughly burned, comprehensively skinned, boned, gutted and generally done up like a kipper by showing them the evidence of what they have tried to deny even existed is one of life's great pleasures.

P.S. From memory alone Hope's post (in the context of homosexuality, not illness) ran something like: "You [trentvoyager] are quite free to state that you do not need to see a doctor just as I am free to suggest that perhaps you should."
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Re: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum
« Reply #43 on: April 15, 2016, 05:54:15 AM »


Maybe I should just stay out of this thread....but what the heck, I have time on my hands!

Is it 'vile' to say that homosexuality is an abnormality....and that homosexuality is probably due to epigenetic mechanisms (some good articles are available on this) that are caused by certain lifestyles ....and that scientists are looking at ways by which these epigenetic changes can be reversed??!

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Re: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum
« Reply #44 on: April 15, 2016, 06:13:02 AM »

Maybe I should just stay out of this thread....but what the heck, I have time on my hands!

Is it 'vile' to say that homosexuality is an abnormality....and that homosexuality is probably due to epigenetic mechanisms (some good articles are available on this) that are caused by certain lifestyles ....and that scientists are looking at ways by which these epigenetic changes can be reversed??!

Yes it is!

Spud said much the same thing using different words.

Is any religion that believes in a God figure an abnormality in that there is no physical evidence of the God's existence and therefore all religionists, myself included, are delusional, that is, mentally abnormal?
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Re: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum
« Reply #45 on: April 15, 2016, 06:24:43 AM »
The danger with the research side of things is that partial information can be worse than none if it leads to increased prejudice against so-called 'abnormalities.' And it legitimises the idea that there is a 'problem' to be 'cured'. I don't understand epigenetics all but it's possible it counts for all kinds of things that are a part of our everyday make-up.

I'm not sure why time, effort and resources should be ploughed into finding 'reversal' procedures for homosexuality when the simplest solution is for humanity to accept it and welcome the fact it brings a bit more love into the world. Surely it's no more big a deal than preferring blue eyes or big knockers.

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Re: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum
« Reply #46 on: April 15, 2016, 06:28:58 AM »
Yes it is!

Spud said much the same thing using different words.

Is any religion that believes in a God figure an abnormality in that there is no physical evidence of the God's existence and therefore all religionists, myself included, are delusional, that is, mentally abnormal?


?  ?  ?  ?  ?

What God & religion?!!   ::)

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Re: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum
« Reply #47 on: April 15, 2016, 06:50:08 AM »
Yes it is!

Spud said much the same thing using different words.

Is any religion that believes in a God figure an abnormality in that there is no physical evidence of the God's existence and therefore all religionists, myself included, are delusional, that is, mentally abnormal?
Quite possibly. Theists have been called mentally abnormal on here - can't remember specifics and can't be bothered to look for them but someone said religious belief was a misfiring of synapses or something along those lines.. I didn't find the comment vile. It didn't automatically make me think of the trauma and persecution faced by theists who were targeted under certain regimes such as Pol Pot's.

I never saw Hope's posts about TV and if he said what Shaker has claimed he said, I don't think Hope should have made it personal about TV , but if someone said homosexuality  or theism are mental abnormalities I think it's impossible to have a debate without being allowed to say stuff like that on here. If it reminds certain people of their friends in hospital and they feel upset by it, that's unfortunate, but they are free to label people who hold certain views about homosexuality as abnormal. I also don't see the problem in calling certain sex acts a sin - I don't use that term but it is part of the vocabulary of other theists on here.
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Re: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum
« Reply #48 on: April 15, 2016, 06:51:35 AM »

Maybe I should just stay out of this thread....but what the heck, I have time on my hands!

Is it 'vile' to say that homosexuality is an abnormality....and that homosexuality is probably due to epigenetic mechanisms (some good articles are available on this) that are caused by certain lifestyles ....and that scientists are looking at ways by which these epigenetic changes can be reversed??!

Can you point to studies which refer to 'certain lifestyles' please Sriram?  I would be interested to read them as the only ones I could find referring to epigenetic causes of homosexuality are highly theoretical and refer to inherited influences. Also which scientist are looking into reversing such changes - specifically the homosexual ones - as I couldn't find any such specific examples.

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Re: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum
« Reply #49 on: April 15, 2016, 06:56:45 AM »
The danger with the research side of things is that partial information can be worse than none if it leads to increased prejudice against so-called 'abnormalities.' And it legitimises the idea that there is a 'problem' to be 'cured'. I don't understand epigenetics all but it's possible it counts for all kinds of things that are a part of our everyday make-up.

I'm not sure why time, effort and resources should be ploughed into finding 'reversal' procedures for homosexuality when the simplest solution is for humanity to accept it and welcome the fact it brings a bit more love into the world. Surely it's no more big a deal than preferring blue eyes or big knockers.


One should not be a homophobe certainly....but one should not be a homophile either.

If a successful reversal  treatment was discovered, I bet many homosexuals will queue up for it....and rightly so IMO. 

Some abnormalities do exist in nature....accept them for what they are. And if they can be corrected ...fine!  What's the problem?