Are there vile homophobic views on this forum

[Rhiannon]

But you don't accept homosexuality, do you, Sriram?

[Sriram]

Can you point to studies which refer to 'certain lifestyles' please Sriram?  I would be interested to read them as the only ones I could find referring to epigenetic causes of homosexuality are highly theoretical and refer to inherited influences. Also which scientist are looking into reversing such changes - specifically the homosexual ones - as I couldn't find any such specific examples.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epigenetic_theories_of_homosexuality

Epigenetics is about lifestyle and inheritance of acquired traits.

[Rhiannon]

Good article here, Maeght, blowing out of the water the idea that epigenetics will give us all the answers - or that this research is even necessary.

Apart from to those seeking to make big bucks from the future 'homosexuality reversal process' of course.

http://mobile.the-scientist.com/article/33773/can-epigenetics-explain-homosexuality

[Sriram]

But you don't accept homosexuality, do you, Sriram?

What are you talking about? Homosexuality exists...just like so many other abnormalities exist. Who am I to accept or reject them?

I don't have any motherly protective feelings (Oh...he is perfectly normal you know...nothing wrong with him! )  towards homosexuals or anyone else for that matter....if that's what you mean.

I am not a homophobe. I do not think they are sinners or criminals. For me they are no different from any other abnormal person.  But I am not a homophile either and I don't think they should be treated as something.....'above all discussion and debate'. 

[Rhiannon]

Erm, thinking that there's nothing wrong with gay people is not protective, feminine or motherly. It's just reasonable.

Thinking that homosexuals are abnormal people is not accepting homosexuality, Sriram.

Sometimes this place gets seriously bonkers.

[Bubbles]

Yep, so you lying about not comparing such things is the same as child murder, in your opinion

I read that as Hope believes that is Gods opinion, not his.

[Shaker]

I read that as Hope believes that is Gods opinion, not his.

Not his?

[Bubbles]

I'm not calling anyone a liar NS but we all get things wrong sometimes, I merely wondered if Hope meant Trent needed to see a doctor about something else and it was misinterpreted.  I believe what Trent says, above.

I've had my posts misread here before, and people insisting I've said things I haven't.

I think it's a tactic of wumming, when groups of posters get bored here.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Hope was being misread.

[Shaker]

I've had my posts misread here before, and people insisting I've said things I haven't.

I think it's a tactic of wumming, when groups of posters get bored here.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Hope was being misread.

So someone who regards being gay as a disorder tells another poster, in the context of homosexuality not illness, that they should perhaps see a doctor, and they're being misinterpreted? Really?

[Sassy]

Leaving aside non forum stuff, on here I've seen argued that homosexual sex is as the same as murder (Hope), that homosexuals are mentally ill or disordered, (Spud), that you should be able to choose not to teach them, that burning to death is a joke, or that being killed might be defensible (cymrudinnion). Just off top of head

Re: Are sins like homosexuality still condemned in the New Covenant of Christ?
« Reply #214 on: April 02, 2016, 06:10:22 PM »
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As a post script to the above, I would add that I have noticed a change in L-J which I see as being thanks to his friends on this forum. Although he is continuing to practice homosexuality I would say that he is a friendly, intelligent person, so I mean no disrespect to him.

Anticipating a reaction from people to my comment about homosexuals being mentally ill psychologically disordered, this was the diagnosis in medical textbook until it was decided that they were not harmful. My comment is a result of my experience with the person I described above.

As you can see Spud clearly on the 2nd April made it clear was a diagnosis from a medical textbook which he was discussing.
He also points out that it was decided it was not harmful. His comments were the result of something he experienced.
We know that personal experience can change the individuals outlook.

Although he is continuing to practice homosexuality I would say that he is a friendly, intelligent person, so I mean no disrespect to him.

Clearly he states he wished no disrespect to Leonard and hence he explains where he got the information from.
He also explains a difficult experience he had.

I guess it is worst than I thought. Because the 'rod' is used regardless of any truth or explanation given.
As Cymr I cannot remember when he last posted but the Christians here can only be those posting.
What I want to know is how someone namely Stephen Taylor who has been here five minutes so to speak can make a comment as he did based on one person.As we are talking here and now do not troll back over past members they do not count today.

[Bubbles]

Not his?

No, not his.

He has already said he believes humans grade them. (Sins)

I think this bit about God not grading sin or things the bible says is bad, is part of Christian theology.

I've come across this before.

Perhaps Rhiannon would know having looked deeper into theology, I heard it from my ordained friend. 

It isn't Hope's opinion, it's what the church seems to believe about Gods Opinion.

[Maeght]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epigenetic_theories_of_homosexuality

Epigenetics is about lifestyle and inheritance of acquired traits.

I'm familiar with that Sriram but no mention there of lifestyles that I could see Sriram. Could you explain more about what you were referring to?

[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

Not his?

In the quote, Hope sounds like he is saying people will grade things according to their opinion of what is good or bad but his interpretation of Christianity is that God considers all sins damage the relationship with humans equally. I think that is what he means.

So presumably, as Hope is a person and not God, if he had to choose between stopping 2 adults having consensual sex or stopping someone murdering a child, and he didn't have time to deal with both, he would focus his energies on the latter?

[Maeght]

Good article here, Maeght, blowing out of the water the idea that epigenetics will give us all the answers - or that this research is even necessary.

Apart from to those seeking to make big bucks from the future 'homosexuality reversal process' of course.

http://mobile.the-scientist.com/article/33773/can-epigenetics-explain-homosexuality

Thanks Rhiannon. Yes I am aware of that and the basic principles of epigenetics - I was really asking Sriram to point out the studies which support his comments on 'certain lifestyles' and scientists attempting to reverse epigenetic causes of homosexuality.

I think epigenetics is an interesting area of study but not the answer to everything as Sriram seems to think.

[Sassy]

I have seen some evil and disgusting anti-gay comments over the years. One 'Christian' poster, now banned, said he would turn a blind eye if a gay was being beaten up.

We are not talking over the years we are talking now the members today.
So if the posters not here then there is no vile homophobic views on this forum.
How long has Stephen Taylor been here. How much is her stirring things already.
My God knows the truth and Stephen Taylor is no friend to atheist, Agnostic or even Christian. (any religion)

When I questioned his comment we all know it can only refer to the time he has been a member March 01, 2016,
11:10:19 AM This is the time and date he registered.

So in just over 6 weeks he thinks he can actually tell the members here that we have  'vile homophobic views' and yet he uses the one person Spud who explained everything and even tells our own LEONARD,

Although he is continuing to practice homosexuality I would say that he is a friendly, intelligent person, so I mean no disrespect to him.

Having also pointed out:-

Anticipating a reaction from people to my comment about homosexuals being mentally ill psychologically disordered, this was the diagnosis in medical textbook until it was decided that they were not harmful. My comment is a result of my experience with the person I described above.

So really that is not an homophobic view at all. It is clearly discussing something from a  medical textbook.

Stephen needs to shout about medical textbooks being homophobic not Christians.
He also needs to tell us why the medical textbooks are not homophobic when they then change their minds.

[Shaker]

In the quote, Hope sounds like he is saying people will grade things according to their opinion of what is good or bad but his interpretation of Christianity is that God considers all sins damage the relationship with humans equally. I think that is what he means.

Sounds like a bit of an arse to say the least.

So presumably, as Hope is a person and not God

To Hope's perpetual disappointment, I'm sure ...

If he had to choose between stopping 2 adults having consensual sex or stopping someone murdering a child, and he didn't have time to deal with both, he would focus his energies on the latter?

Quite rightly so. Though he would still consider the former to be suffering from a disorder and would probably suggest that they see a doctor.

After all, there's form.

[Sassy]

Leaving aside non forum stuff, on here I've seen argued that homosexual sex is as the same as murder (Hope), that homosexuals are mentally ill or disordered, (Spud), that you should be able to choose not to teach them, that burning to death is a joke, or that being killed might be defensible (cymrudinnion). Just off top of head

We need the posts and they must be members still posting on this site today and since the 1st of March 2016 as Stephen has only been here since then and nothing past counts before then.

For views to be on the forum the poster still has to be here for them to be counted.
Dealt with Spud and dealt with CMYR and so far Stephen has offered nothing by means of his evidence.
So would others please from trying to defend him when only his time here counts and members no longer here do not count.

[Rhiannon]

Dashing out the door so the short version is, Hope's views that all sins are equal in God's eyes is claiming to know the mind of God which many other Christians say is unknowable. It's arrogance.

Another view is that pride is the greatest sin. My old pp said that it isn't, it is cruelty, and anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't really got what Jesus was on about.

[Bubbles]

So someone who regards being gay as a disorder tells another poster, in the context of homosexuality not illness, that they should perhaps see a doctor, and they're being misinterpreted? Really?

Old Christianity has an ideal veiw of a designed nature where there is only one true purpose, and body parts have a proper use and an improper use.

Things that fall outside that would be considered as abnormal and as a disorder which may require medical help.

By medical help it also includes help from a Psychatrist as it would be considered a mental disorder.

Some Christians have a narrower view of what Gods design is.

Others are wide enough to include homosexuals without judgement.

It depends on the Christian.

But this idea that the human body and life ( children and sex within marriage only etc) is persistent.

I think Hope is just trying to explain that.

I'm not totally sure where he fits tbh.

I know I have come across a number of Christians who believe God has created a perfect path for them to live God based lives, which means they have to do things like marry, have a family within that, and they have to live set roles for men and women.

I'm going to add the above is not my POV, just an observation.

[Sassy]

See Nearly Sane's reply #1.

It doesn't count. Spud explained he meant no offence and also told us that it came from a medical textbook.
As for Cymr he does not post here and has not done for a long time.
Stephen only been posting since March 2016 so anything before does not count or past members as their views have long been off the forum when they left.

[Nearly Sane]

In the quote, Hope sounds like he is saying people will grade things according to their opinion of what is good or bad but his interpretation of Christianity is that God considers all sins damage the relationship with humans equally. I think that is what he means.

So presumably, as Hope is a person and not God, if he had to choose between stopping 2 adults having consensual sex or stopping someone murdering a child, and he didn't have time to deal with both, he would focus his energies on the latter?

He thinks that homosexual activity is as wrong as murder. It's his statement. That means he considers the couple that I just went on holiday with as wrong as murderers.


I find that vile

[Nearly Sane]

Old Christianity has an ideal veiw of a designed nature where there is only one true purpose, and body parts have a proper use and an improper use.

Things that fall outside that would be considered as abnormal and as a disorder which may require medical help.

By medical help it also includes help from a Psychatrist as it would be considered a mental disorder.

Some Christians have a narrower view of what Gods design is.

Others are wide enough to include homosexuals without judgement.

It depends on the Christian.

But this idea that the human body and life ( children and sex within marriage only etc) is persistent.

I think Hope is just trying to explain that.

I'm not totally sure where he fits tbh.

I know I have come across a number of Christians who believe God has created a perfect path for them to live God based lives, which means they have to do things like marry, have a family within that, and they have to live set roles for men and women.

I'm going to add the above is not my POV, just an observation.

Some parts of 'old Christianity' have just tried to explain that black people are inferior, it find that vile, how about you?

[Nearly Sane]

No, not his.

He has already said he believes humans grade them. (Sins)

I think this bit about God not grading sin or things the bible says is bad, is part of Christian theology.

I've come across this before.

Perhaps Rhiannon would know having looked deeper into theology, I heard it from my ordained friend. 

It isn't Hope's opinion, it's what the church seems to believe about Gods Opinion.

No, it's his opinion. This 'a big god thought it and ran away' excuse is ridiculous. Hope thinks that the couple whose wedding I went to last month are as wrong as child rapists. Seems vile to me.

[Sassy]

Till Stephen Taylor brings his own evidence since March 1st 2016 then actually he has nothing but relying on the personal bias of others to fall back on. The past members do not count because if members no longer here then neither are their views on this forum. So come on Stephen Taylor bring the evidence from the 1st March. As Spud explained no harm meant and even said where it came from( the medical textbook) you have to prove what you said from the believers here and now.

I said from the beginning what you were. I am not afraid to face those who come as a wolf in sheep's clothing to stir up UNREST.
To bring divide and separation in hope of bringing the forum down.
The others may not see your motive or your heart. In all the years we have been posting together we have a good understanding.

Will I be accused next? My nephew came out he is gay. Do I still love him? Off course I do. Will I protect him and help him through the times when he is unable to handle his sexuality? I will because love is not based on sexuality or any other thing in this world for our family and friends.

I think you need to think about where you are going with this. In the end you will lose because God is good and he alone decides the outcome. My God is here for me. My friends and family who are gay will support me, but who is going to speak out for you.

We discuss the things of the world on here. I am going to ask you... " Are you gay?"

[Nearly Sane]

I read that as Hope believes that is Gods opinion, not his.

Does Hope believe God is wrong? If not it's his opinion.