Author Topic: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum  (Read 79286 times)

Saasy has told me I am the only one on this forum who thinks there have been vile homophobic views expressed here. I thought I would do her the honour of conducting some research to see if her view is correct.

I have never seen a homophobic view expressed here that I would consider vile.
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I couldn't believe that someone could say something so vile about homosexual people.
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Re: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum
« Reply #125 on: April 15, 2016, 10:18:24 AM »
No love, everything leads to death.

My hat is doffed to your grace.

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Re: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum
« Reply #126 on: April 15, 2016, 10:18:40 AM »
No love, everything leads to death.

Come on Trent.

Read the whole post... Go on, I dare you! ;D
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Re: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum
« Reply #127 on: April 15, 2016, 10:33:01 AM »
I used to think Hope was one of the good Christian posters on this forum, sadly I have been very disappointed. :(

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Re: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum
« Reply #128 on: April 15, 2016, 10:34:28 AM »
There's a lot of talk on here about the divide between theists/non theists but I think the divide between those who believe in gay rights and those who don't and regard being gay as a disorder is far more significant.
In practical terms, in everyday effects on the lives of real people in non-negligible numbers, absolutely.
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Re: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum
« Reply #129 on: April 15, 2016, 10:41:03 AM »
Moderator:

I'd agree, and it would be useful if members reported such posts in future in order that they can be reviewed - I'd say this is essential for consistency reasons.

It may be that there is a need to review the relevant Rule (1.h) in order to clarify the issues here and where the 'line in the sand' should be drawn.

'While it is expected that some exchanges will be ‘robust fair comment’, members are asked to avoid comments (in posts or PMs) that may be considered to be: overtly aggressive or threatening, that are demeaning to others and specifically advocate discrimination solely on the basis of personal taste, that involve questionable sexual content, that involve gratuitous swearing or contains abuse or insults directed towards specified members, or that might reasonably be assumed to imply certain members (such by reference to a 'group') to the extent of causing offense or alarm. Members should report any posts or PMs that involve such content.'


Looking at this I think the question is what amounts to advocating discrimination, I think the idea that gays need treatment or that all religious parents are child abusers fall close to any line that one might use the phrase to draw but, from a purely personal reading. the first crosses it and the second doesn't. That said I'm not sure I feel that in terms of my overall reaction I see them as that different. That someone is accusing me old sainted mother of child abuse seems to cross a line for me. It's not actively advocating discrimination but that me old sainted mother teaching me her beliefs is to be seen as child abuse, as opposed to me teaching my kids that murder is wrong seems to be down the road of suggesting passively that my mother should somehow be punished for her actions.

The other problem, of course, is that which we think should be protected is different. We don't actually mean that anyone who suggests murderers (as wrong as homosexual activity according to Hope)  should be locked up, should be stopped from advocating such discrimination on here.  It seems to me that the zeigeist of society and indeed the board if it is consistent should protect groupings who act within the boundaries of the law, and within the spirit of the board. If the board is going to allow consistent suggestions that homosexuals are ill. diseased. disordered , then I think I will slowly back away - and that's fair enough in some sense. It's the same as me not wanting to go to a pub in company of people who would say such things. I don't think it crosses the line of where legislation would currently kick in but it does cross a personal line for me. That line also covers the whole theists are delusional, stupid, child abusers schtick.

We each have to consider where that line is drawn, and to an extent the mods are both representatives who work as a coalescence of opinion of that line, and delegates in that they have a duty to reflect in some way the wider membership. I don't envy their position, but then I think each memebr also has a duty to consider what sort of board do they want this place to be. I'm not convinced that it can encompass a full width of opinion, nor do I believe it should, see comments on all Jews should be gassed,

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Re: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum
« Reply #130 on: April 15, 2016, 10:53:33 AM »
For the benefit of Hope (if and when he ever returns to this thread):

Brownie (April 14, 2016 - 10:28:32pm): I'd like to ask you if you said Trentvoyager should see a doctor because of being gay or did you mean he should seek medical advice about something else?

Hope (April 14, 2016 - 10:30:40pm): Not sure I said either, Brownie.  If anyone can find what they think is an example of this, I'd be happy to look at it.

Here it is:

Hope (April 01, 2016 - 03:37:13pm): Trent, you have every right to express your own opinions; I also have that right.  You have the right to decide that you need or don't need a doctor; I have every right to suggest that perhaps you do.

So having now seen it (happily or otherwise), can you clarify that when you suggested that "perhaps" Trent needs a doctor, you meant that he needs a doctor for some medical issue (certainly unknown to me) or because he is gay?

Much obliged.
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Re: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum
« Reply #131 on: April 15, 2016, 11:28:44 AM »
Hope (April 01, 2016 - 03:37:13pm): Trent, you have every right to express your own opinions; I also have that right.  You have the right to decide that you need or don't need a doctor; I have every right to suggest that perhaps you do.

So having now seen it (happily or otherwise), can you clarify that when you suggested that "perhaps" Trent needs a doctor, you meant that he needs a doctor for some medical issue (certainly unknown to me) or because he is gay?

Much obliged.
And the wider context, Shakes?  My reference to the Gospel passage about only those who know that they are ill need a doctor - so in no way related to sexuality.

That's the problem with cherry-picking posts or Bible verses in order to make an often prejudiced point.
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Re: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum
« Reply #132 on: April 15, 2016, 11:29:54 AM »
And the wider context, Shakes?  My reference to the Gospel passage about only those who know that they are ill need a doctor - so in no way related to sexuality.

That's the problem with cherry-picking posts or Bible verses in order to make an often prejudiced point.

So why did you name me?
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Re: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum
« Reply #133 on: April 15, 2016, 11:33:37 AM »
Dear Sane,

Ah right!! I didn't look at this thread, my humblest apologies, you were calling Hope a liar, carry on ( bloody hell two apologies in the one morning, I am slipping ).

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Re: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum
« Reply #134 on: April 15, 2016, 11:36:00 AM »
And the wider context, Shakes?  My reference to the Gospel passage about only those who know that they are ill need a doctor - so in no way related to sexuality.
Er, no - Gordon has explained otherwise in #112:
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However, the exchanges involving homosexuality continued and became a major derail (eventually there were more posts about homosexuality than about the Chaplaincy topic of the thread)
You were not at that juncture discussing the presence and operation of chaplains within the National Health Service. So I will ask again and keep asking: can you clarify that when you suggested that "perhaps" Trent needs a doctor, you meant that he needs a doctor for some medical issue (certainly unknown to me) or because he is gay?
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Re: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum
« Reply #135 on: April 15, 2016, 11:37:41 AM »
And the wider context, Shakes?  My reference to the Gospel passage about only those who know that they are ill need a doctor - so in no way related to sexuality.

That's the problem with cherry-picking posts or Bible verses in order to make an often prejudiced point.
Context is important - in the context of the thread you were talking about sexuality - so stop lying

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Re: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum
« Reply #136 on: April 15, 2016, 11:38:04 AM »
So why did you name me?
Like this you mean?
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Trent, you have every right to express your own opinions; I also have that right.  You [Trent] have the right to decide that you [Trent] need or don't need a doctor; I have every right to suggest that perhaps you [Trent] do.
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Re: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum
« Reply #137 on: April 15, 2016, 11:38:13 AM »
So why did you name me?
I'm trying to find the post, but it and its context seems to have been removed, but if you look at the post that Shakes quotes, the wording would suggest that I was responding to a post you had made in response to one of mine.
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Re: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum
« Reply #138 on: April 15, 2016, 11:39:23 AM »
Dodge, dodge, squirm, evade, dodgety dodge.
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Re: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum
« Reply #139 on: April 15, 2016, 11:41:28 AM »
Dear Shaker,

He was referring to Trent's hopeless case of wonderfulness, Trent should see a Doctor about that, not for a cure, a way of bottling it and prescribing it free on the NHS.

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Re: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum
« Reply #140 on: April 15, 2016, 11:42:54 AM »
Dear Shaker,

He was referring to Trent's hopeless case of wonderfulness
If Hope were capable of answering a straight question with a straight answer we might find out, Gonners.
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Re: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum
« Reply #141 on: April 15, 2016, 11:44:04 AM »
Like this you mean?
So, clearly responding to a post TV had made, in response to a post I had made.  Shakes - do you have the context to the post you have quoted?
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Re: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum
« Reply #142 on: April 15, 2016, 11:50:23 AM »
Would that make any difference to those words of yours upon which you tried to cast doubt ever existed until Gordon very helpfully reposted them and which are now available for all to see for themselves?

In other words how long do you think you can get away with continuing your dodging and evasion this time with your tedious scratched-record nonsense of 'context'? As NS put it in #135:

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in the context of the thread you were talking about sexuality - so stop lying.

Your words have come back to bite you on the arse once already today  - bet you didn't expect that ;) - and although he may not do so, we know that removed posts still exist in the back room and Most Excellent and Munificent Gracious Great Helmsman Leader could, if it be his will, provide all the context we could ever need to tuck you up in bed with teddy and blow out the nightlight.
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Re: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum
« Reply #143 on: April 15, 2016, 12:02:38 PM »
I feel I need to apologise to both Hope and Trent for bringing this up when it had been dealt with.  I did think about it the other day, asked Hope and then thought better of it and deleted my post before it was seen.  I certainly didn't want to cause more trouble - and I'm not being disingenuous here.  Phew.   

It seems to me that we will never really know what was meant, certainly won't prove it one way or the other.

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Re: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum
« Reply #144 on: April 15, 2016, 12:04:12 PM »
Not unless Who Framed Dodger Rabbit breaks the habit of a lifetime and answers a simple question with a straight answer.

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Re: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum
« Reply #145 on: April 15, 2016, 12:04:57 PM »
Would that make any difference to those words of yours upon which you tried to cast doubt ever existed ...
Yes, it would.  If, as I believe I had, I had been talking about sin in general, and quoted the Gospel passage I've repeated in recent posts, then it would become clear that I wasn't referring to homosexual relationships at that point, but sins as whole.  Since I don't subscribe to the idea of corrective therapy, it would seem unlikely that I would be suggesting that anyone should undergo it.

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... until Gordon very helpfully reposted them and which are now available for all to see for themselves?
Oddly enough, what Gordon posted didn't refer in any way to the question that Brownie asked of me. 

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In other words how long do you think you can away with continuing your dodging and evasion this time with your tedious scratched-record nonsense of 'context'? As NS put it in #135:
Probably as long as people seek to misrepresent me.  I am aware that providing such context 'could' damage your pet arguments, but until the full 41.5 hours worth of posts that have been expunged from the thread are made available for checking, I won't regard your single post quotes with much trust.
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Re: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum
« Reply #146 on: April 15, 2016, 12:05:05 PM »
Dear Shaker,

He was referring to Trent's hopeless case of wonderfulness, Trent should see a Doctor about that, not for a cure, a way of bottling it and prescribing it free on the NHS.

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Re: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum
« Reply #147 on: April 15, 2016, 12:05:36 PM »
Not unless Who Framed Dodger Rabbit breaks the habit of a lifetime and answers a simple question with a straight answer.
OK, we're waiting!!
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« Reply #148 on: April 15, 2016, 12:08:44 PM »
Yes, it would.  If, as I believe I had, I had been talking about sin in general
We have plentiful and crystal-clear evidence today alone that what you believe has next to no correspondence with la vérité:

Brownie (April 14, 2016, 10:28:32pm): I'd like to ask you if you said Trentvoyager should see a doctor because of being gay or did you mean he should seek medical advice about something else?
Hope (April 14, 2016, 10:30:40pm): Not sure I said either, Brownie.  If anyone can find what they think is an example of this, I'd be happy to look at it.

We're all now sure that you did ;)

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Re: Are there vile homophobic views on this forum
« Reply #149 on: April 15, 2016, 12:09:17 PM »
OK, we're waiting!!
A third time? Really? OK: can you clarify that when you suggested that "perhaps" Trent needs a doctor, you meant that he needs a doctor for some medical issue (certainly unknown to me) or because he is gay?
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