Are there vile homophobic views on this forum

[Owlswing]

Not sure which actions you are talking about, but please be aware that they may also be carried out by heterosexuals as well.

I think you said that you are not sexually active yet, so you may be quite naive.

I would dispute your use of the qualifier "quite" when used in connection with Spud and naïve.

[Brownie]

Trippy, I have heard some rather extreme Christians say that being a Christian and a homosexual is an oxymoron yet we know there are gay Christians, including gay clergy.  So there are gay Muslims.
I accept they have conflict because of their religion but it doesn't stop a person being homosexual and a Muslim (same for Sikhs, Jewish people, Hindus).  Gayness happens regardless of religion or social conditioning.

(I think you probably know that and just threw out that comment, probably tongue in cheek.  Yet I've no doubt there are those who would agree with the statement.)

[Rhiannon]

I've linked to the Naz and Matt foundation before, and I make no apology for doing so again.

https://www.nazandmattfoundation.org

[Bubbles]

I've linked to the Naz and Matt foundation before, and I make no apology for doing so again.

https://www.nazandmattfoundation.org

No apology needed, I've not seen it before and was glad to see it.

“Religion should be all encompassing, but quite often culture, and the religious communities that engulf so many people around us prevent good, honest and beautiful people from being who they are, and living full and happy lives.

Religion is a very good thing, but it should never stop you from your duty as a human being to care for each other, no matter who they are. Everyone should love one another and celebrate diversity and people who are different from themselves.

Naz and I often talked about a leaving a legacy behind, that outlived the both of us. A legacy that would help many people even after we had gone from this world.

Today i would like to announce the launch of a new charity, and charity named with the purpose of immediately letting people know that that two people of the same sex, from different religious beliefs is ok.

The charities goal will be to reduce the number of young people who have to live a lie. Who have to live in the shadow of a community not able to open their eyes to the fact of life that being gay is a natural part of our planet.

So today I would like to announce the launch of the Naz and Matt Foundation.

Our mission will be to educate religious communities to help them open their eyes, to open their eyes just enough to realise that someone in their family might well be gay, lesbian or bisexual or struggling with gender identity issues. The young person might not be strong enough to reach out to you… but if you open your eyes, and hold out your hand you might just be able to help save them.”

Given that this was his partners funeral speech and the reasons for setting up the foundation, I think it very relevant to the thread, Rhiannon.

 

It certainly should make people think, it made me think.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

Historically that's a rather more recent development.

More of an issue today than a few instances hundreds of years ago.

[trippymonkey]

Trippy, I have heard some rather extreme Christians say that being a Christian and a homosexual is an oxymoron yet we know there are gay Christians, including gay clergy.  So there are gay Muslims.
I accept they have conflict because of their religion but it doesn't stop a person being homosexual and a Muslim (same for Sikhs, Jewish people, Hindus).  Gayness happens regardless of religion or social conditioning.

(I think you probably know that and just threw out that comment, probably tongue in cheek.  Yet I've no doubt there are those who would agree with the statement.)

I DO agree but - if you really KNOW Islam - then you WILL realise one cannot be gay AND Muslim. Oil & water, I'm afraid !!!
You cannot subscribe to such a horrible hate-filled ideology like Islam & be gay whether practising or not, sorry.

Nick

[Aruntraveller]

You cannot subscribe to such a horrible hate-filled ideology like Islam & be gay whether practising or not, sorry.

And yet I know a couple of people who claim to be both. I mean I don't get it - but they do claim it.

[trippymonkey]

Yep It's like being a Hindu AND a Muslim - NOT POSSIBLE !!!!!!

[Brownie]

A gay Christian?  I've heard the same said about those.  Even on here!  It's the same for religious Orthodox Jewish people who keep their gays under wraps and try to 'treat' them with religion.  Thankfully we have laws in this country that do not adhere to the same tenets as extreme religionists on this subject so sucks to the lot of them, mine included.

[Bubbles]

Yep It's like being a Hindu AND a Muslim - NOT POSSIBLE !!!!!!

You sure?

I think Hinduism is quite inclusive.

People can manage to be anything sometimes, not sure I would rule it out altogether.

http://www.indiatimes.com/culture/who-we-are/8-similarities-between-the-teachings-of-hinduism-and-islam-228792.html

[trippymonkey]

Rose
I know exactly what you mean but Hinduism would never hold such horrible views expressed in certain parts of Islam. ALL inclusive & all respecting but we really should look at Hinduism in the same way India itself is - as a collection rather than a single block entity.

Nick

[Bubbles]

Rose
I know exactly what you mean but Hinduism would never hold such horrible views expressed in certain parts of Islam. ALL inclusive & all respecting but we really should look at Hinduism in the same way India itself is - as a collection rather than a single block entity.

Nick

Trippy, most religions have a dark side even in Hinduism if you look.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/5273336.stm

http://www.pravdareport.com/society/stories/07-06-2006/81664-hindu-0/

All the religions have had horrible views at some point, most of them get those people who support them.

Plus they also get a lot of people who deny them and say their religion ( Islam) doesn't support chopping off heads, stoning people or treating women badly.

[trippymonkey]

SATI has been banned for a long while now.
Don't believe it's actually sanctioned in anything I've read in Hinduism, have you ?

[Bubbles]

SATI has been banned for a long while now.
Don't believe it's actually sanctioned in anything I've read in Hinduism, have you ?

My second link

The practice of immolation of a widow on the funeral pyre of her husband existed among higher Hindu casts in the past. The practice stems from the Hindu legend of Sati, one of the reincarnations of Parvati who is the wife of Shiva and the benevolent form of the Mother Goddess. According to the legend, Sati immolated herself because she was unable to tolerate other deities insult her husband. - See more at: http://www.pravdareport.com/society/stories/07-06-2006/81664-hindu-0/#sthash.zVsjGd0u.dpuf

I'm sure Sriram will be along in a moment to tell me how wrong I am    but there it is.

[Brownie]

I agree with Trippy about India and Hindus on the whole, there is certainly more variety of views within Hinduism;  Islam is far stricter.  However in any religion there will be a few die-hards as Rose has illustrated, certainly in remote places in India, which are extremely sinister.  They are very, very unusual though, far from the mainstream.

[trippymonkey]

INDEED !!!! Brownie.
Rose
Do you think this quote explains it all away

[Brownie]

Just thought I'd say, as Islam was being talked about in relation to homosexuality, that our new mayor, Sadiq Khan, has a fatwa because he supported same sex marriage.  Bless his cottons, I like him more each day, almost makes me proud to be British.

[trippymonkey]

Marvellous gent but IS going against Islam here. Hence the fatwa !!!

[floo]

Just thought I'd say, as Islam was being talked about in relation to homosexuality, that our new mayor, Sadiq Khan, has a fatwa because he supported same sex marriage.  Bless his cottons, I like him more each day, almost makes me proud to be British.

Good for him.

[Brownie]

I agree that IS is going against Islam here Trippy, though they don't think so due to their warped ideology.  That is my opinion and yours but I have come across Christians on the 'net who say that is really what Islam is all about and we are kidding ourselves. 

Yes floo he does seem pretty good on many levels.  I like him particularly because he is a very ordinary guy who has the interests of Londoners at heart, or seems to, but the proof of the pudding etc.  I hope he continues as he has started, we'll see.

[trippymonkey]

Brownie
PLEASE read up on Islam's history FROM Muslims if you intend to interact with them too on it.
The Hadiths or the Prophet's Sayings are unreliable too so be careful !!

Muslims claim the Kaabah is the original place of Judaism but we can see how there's never been ANY mention of any place like it in the Bible.

It's very easy to see how Muhammed rounded up anyone he could to take over the place when he was thrown out for trouble making, stirring up unrest between various religious groups there.
Do please read up on what exactly the Kaabah was & what it is now.

Nick

[Sassy]

Brownie
PLEASE read up on Islam's history FROM Muslims if you intend to interact with them too on it.
The Hadiths or the Prophet's Sayings are unreliable too so be careful !!

Muslims claim the Kaabah is the original place of Judaism but we can see how there's never been ANY mention of any place like it in the Bible.

It's very easy to see how Muhammed rounded up anyone he could to take over the place when he was thrown out for trouble making, stirring up unrest between various religious groups there.
Do please read up on what exactly the Kaabah was & what it is now.

Nick

Nick with sensible head on, today...

[Owlswing]

Nick with sensible head on, today...

Look out, Trippy, you are in the s-h-one-t now, you are in Sassy's good books!

[trippymonkey]

AAAAAGGGGHHHHH !!!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?! 

[Owlswing]

AAAAAGGGGHHHHH !!!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?! 

A good belt of Chivas Regal will cure that, you know!