domestic violence is caused by women 'not obeying men

[Bubbles]

Seriously?

Fury as archbishop says domestic violence is caused by women 'not obeying men'

There are times the attitudes in religion are just so....so ...prejudiced, judgemental and basically crappy. 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/fury-archbishop-says-domestic-violence-7128881

I'm glad when I read something like this, I don't have an organised religion to follow along with its "issues" and single men who have no experience of family life making daft statements.

It's an arch bishop   
 

[Brownie]

Appalling, Rose.  I can't help being glad the Archbishop is from ''abroad'', he wouldn't have the same attitude here (wouldn't dare).

[Owlswing]

Seriously?

Fury as archbishop says domestic violence is caused by women 'not obeying men'

There are times the attitudes in religion are just so....so ...prejudiced, judgemental and basically crappy. 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/fury-archbishop-says-domestic-violence-7128881

I'm glad when I read something like this, I don't have an organised religion to follow along with its "issues" and single men who have no experience of family life making daft statements.

It's an arch bishop   
 

Let's see what comment, if any, is forthcoming from the Pope.

[Rhiannon]

Given this happened in January I think we'd know by now if he had anything to say.

[Brownie]

Yes, this is very old news, I didn't notice the date when I first looked.

I don't think the Pope has spoken about this particular outburst from the Spanish Archbish but he has spoken generally against domestic abuse.

[floo]

The Pope should kick this nasty dog turd out of the RCC.

Sadly there are still some men, even in the UK, who think their wives should obey them.  My husband would be swinging by his dangly bits from the nearest church steeple if he expected me to kowtow to him. We have a relationship of equals.

[Bubbles]

The Pope should kick this nasty dog turd out of the RCC.

Sadly there are still some men, even in the UK, who think their wives should obey them.  My husband would be swinging by his dangly bits from the nearest church steeple if he expected me to kowtow to him. We have a relationship of equals.

Somehow I had you down as the boss

Probably mostly because in posts I have the impression , you have to support him a fair bit.

[floo]

Somehow I had you down as the boss

Probably mostly because in posts I have the impression , you have to support him a fair bit.

Now that is very funny! Even with half a brain my husband is still light years brighter than me. He does his own thing as far as he is able, and it takes a heck of a lot for him to concede that occasionally I know best.

[Maeght]

Certainly sound bad but .... the article says he said 'The majority of cases of domestic violence happen because the woman’s partner does not accept them, or rejects them for not accepting their demands.' so could he just have been, somewhat clumsily perhaps, highlighting the thinking of the people carrying out the domestic violence rather than his own thinking? Did he actually say women should obey their husbands? When very little of what he says is quoted it is hard to tell if a 'spin' has been put on it.

[Hope]

Seriously?

Fury as archbishop says domestic violence is caused by women 'not obeying men'

What do yu expect from a Roman Catholic Arch-bish?   

[Brownie]

A lot more Hope, at least I do!  It was an extremely clumsy, stupid statement and he should have known better.  However Catholics don't generally go around talking about men being the head of the household, that really is old hat.

[Hope]

A lot more Hope, at least I do!  It was an extremely clumsy, stupid statement and he should have known better.  However Catholics don't generally go around talking about men being the head of the household, that really is old hat.

Brownie, my comment was spmewhat tongue in cheek - indicated, I hoped, by the emojos I used.

I often wonder whether this kind of comment has more to do with a place's cultural heritage, as opposed to necessarily its religious history.  I accept that the two go together, but often cultural influences can, at the very least, bubble away under any religious tradition.  After all, it would seem that women had almost as much influence on and responsibility in the early church as men, and it was only after other influences began to have an impact on it that women seem to have lost their roles.

[Brownie]

I wondered the same myself Hope but I don't think Spain is especially patriarchal, women from Spain seem to be as emancipated as us - or maybe I've only known those that are  .   Whatever, the stupid Archbish obviously didn't know what he was talking about and someone in his position should have his ear to the ground, it goes with the job.  I realise he could have been misquoted or quoted out of context, in which case he'll learn to be more careful.

Women feel very strongly about statements such as that one.

[~TW~]

Seriously?

Fury as archbishop says domestic violence is caused by women 'not obeying men'

There are times the attitudes in religion are just so....so ...prejudiced, judgemental and basically crappy. 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/fury-archbishop-says-domestic-violence-7128881

I'm glad when I read something like this, I don't have an organised religion to follow along with its "issues" and single men who have no experience of family life making daft statements.

It's an arch bishop   
 

 Good grief give me strength now Rose takes notice of the Roman Catholic Church and the originators of the man of sin.

 When you  vote to stay in Europe the RC church WILL BE  the official church of Europe trust me it is done and dusted.

                             ~TW~

[Bubbles]

Good grief give me strength now Rose takes notice of the Roman Catholic Church and the originators of the man of sin.

 When you  vote to stay in Europe the RC church WILL BE  the official church of Europe trust me it is done and dusted.

                             ~TW~

 

Eh?

Originators of the man of sin?

What are you on about ~TW~?

Why would the Catholic Church be the official church?


They might wish it, but there are points of tension

Some of the more recent events in the relationship have been;

A disagreement over whether to include a reference to Europe's Christian heritage in the European Constitution[4]
The European Parliament refused to ratify Rocco Buttiglione as a European Commissioner because he backed the Catholic Church's view on homosexuality[5]
The European Union endorsed the Sandbaek Report, increasing funding for abortion[6]
The funding of stem cell research by the European Union[7]
The European Parliament passed a motion[8] calling for the compulsory recognition of same-sex unions across the whole of the European Union[9]


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_See–European_Union_relations

I don't think they would pander to Catholic thought on a lot of issues.

It won't happen IMO.

I also don't think there is the support for the Catholic Church across the whole of Europe.

Do you think that because of some theory based on revelation in the bible about end times etc?

Because I don't see any evidence of the Catholoic church being made the official church of Europe.

Why do I suspect you think the Pope is the anti Christ or something?

[Rhiannon]

Women feel very strongly about statements such as that one.

I think you'll find quite a few men do too.

[Brownie]

Well we are already in the EU and so far the only 'official' church we have here is the CofE and that has limited influence.  The Spanish have a mixed attitude towards the Catholic church and in many ways were ahead of us regarding attitudes towards gay people (aaargh!  The H word again!), having civil partnerships before we did.   No this Archbish, if he really meant what he said the way we have taken it, is definitely behind the times.  Rhiannon says quite rightly that men generally don't feel that way either so I don't know where he was coming from.  Mad person  .

(Edited for typos)

[~TW~]

Well not a problem just when you are ready sort out the washing up.

                             ~TW~
ps and put the kettle on oh and a biscuit. 

[Brownie]

TW: .."put the kettle on"

It wouldn't suit me.

[Alien]

Evenin' all.

What is the Mirror's source? Was there a Mirror reporter listening to the sermon?

[Dicky Underpants]

Appalling, Rose.  I can't help being glad the Archbishop is from ''abroad'', he wouldn't have the same attitude here (wouldn't dare).

Does he think that homosexuality can be 'cured' by drinking beetroot juice as well? (Or maybe that was his remedy for aids).

[ippy]

Well we are already in the EU and so far the only 'official' church we have here is the CofE and that has limited influence.  The Spanish have a mixed attitude towards the Catholic church and in many ways were ahead of us regarding attitudes towards gay people (aaargh!  The H word again!), having civil partnerships before we did.   No this Archbish, if he really meant what he said the way we have taken it, is definitely behind the times.  Rhiannon says quite rightly that men generally don't feel that way either so I don't know where he was coming from.  Mad person  .

(Edited for typos)

You mentioned the "H" word Brownie; who obeys who in a "G" household, shows how silly the women obeying men thingy is.

It seems to me my wife has so much on me, along with the dates plus the time of the offence to the millisecond and the colour of the shirt I had on that day, it's best if I do as I'm told.

ippy   

[Dicky Underpants]

I wondered the same myself Hope but I don't think Spain is especially patriarchal, women from Spain seem to be as emancipated as us - or maybe I've only known those that are  .   Whatever, the stupid Archbish obviously didn't know what he was talking about and someone in his position should have his ear to the ground, it goes with the job.  I realise he could have been misquoted or quoted out of context, in which case he'll learn to be more careful.

Women feel very strongly about statements such as that one.

Oh, I see, he's Spanish. Some very dramatic things have happened in Spanish society since the death of Franco, with a whoosh of liberal values and practices taking the country by storm. I suppose that this may have caused those people (esp. clerics) of a more traditional bent to dig their heels in even more, and to come out with statements which sound positively prehistoric.

[Brownie]

I sincerely hope not Dicks.  I suppose we'd have to live there to know if what he said is 'typical'.  Cue Leonard!

[Leonard James]

I sincerely hope not Dicks.  I suppose we'd have to live there to know if what he said is 'typical'.  Cue Leonard!

From my experience of the Spanish people (30 years) the change since Franco has been enormous in this respect. However, as in most countries, there are still antiquated ideas in some quarters.