domestic violence is caused by women 'not obeying men

[floo]

Read the flippin post. It is about what the EU really stands for.
Had you known any prophecies from the 7o;s or even 60's you would know the EU and the one currency were foretold.
That you have no idea of a book you have claimed to read is becoming more and more apparent.

That is NOT what the EU stands for. It is you who makes up what is in the Bible, and what it means as you go along.

[Brownie]

There's an EU thread - for/against - in the Politics section.  People are divided on the subject, naturally enough.  We can only live in hope!

Regarding domestic violence, I certainly believe that women and children have more protection, equality and therefore a bigger voice than used to be the case, due to the ECHR (which is not the EU but never mind, we 'go off' all the time).

[Sassy]

That is NOT what the EU stands for. It is you who makes up what is in the Bible, and what it means as you go along.

Again you haven't a clue I was responding to the post of another,. And as usual you who knows nothing cannot follow the thread because you haven't flippin read it,.
NO ONE SAID THAT EU STOOD FOR ANYTHING.... WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT SOMEONE ELSE WROTE AND HOW IT WOULD AFFECT THE EU THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH TO BE EXACT. IF YOU ARE NOT BOTHERING TO READ THE POSTS DON'T REPLY BECAUSE EVERYONE IS TOO POLITE TO TELL YOU HOW IGNORANT YOU MAKE YOURSELF LOOK. NOW I AM DEFINITELY GOING TO STOP REPLYING TO YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT EDUCATED ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY KNOW YOU HAVE TO READ THINGS TO BE ABLE TO FOLLOW THE THREAD. NOW GO READ AND STOP REPLYING HALF INFORMED

[Sassy]

There's an EU thread - for/against - in the Politics section.  People are divided on the subject, naturally enough.  We can only live in hope!

Regarding domestic violence, I certainly believe that women and children have more protection, equality and therefore a bigger voice than used to be the case, due to the ECHR (which is not the EU but never mind, we 'go off' all the time).

How many women on this thread have suffered domestic violence and how many men on this thread have been the offender when it comes to domestic violence in the home?

It would be interesting to know who are speaking from experience....

[floo]

Again you haven't a clue I was responding to the post of another,. And as usual you who knows nothing cannot follow the thread because you haven't flippin read it,.
NO ONE SAID THAT EU STOOD FOR ANYTHING.... WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT SOMEONE ELSE WROTE AND HOW IT WOULD AFFECT THE EU THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH TO BE EXACT. IF YOU ARE NOT BOTHERING TO READ THE POSTS DON'T REPLY BECAUSE EVERYONE IS TOO POLITE TO TELL YOU HOW IGNORANT YOU MAKE YOURSELF LOOK. NOW I AM DEFINITELY GOING TO STOP REPLYING TO YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT EDUCATED ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY KNOW YOU HAVE TO READ THINGS TO BE ABLE TO FOLLOW THE THREAD. NOW GO READ AND STOP REPLYING HALF INFORMED

Oh dear poor Sass, untwist your knickers before you do yourself a mischief, LOL.

[jeremyp]

I get your point, Jeremy, but a lot of domestic violence happens in so-called relationships where the victim does anything to keep the perpetrator happy (quite literally does obey), but the abuser just keeps moving the goalposts.

The point I was trying to make (perhaps not very well) is that "not obeying" is not an acceptable excuse for committing violence whatever the circumstances. IT's all very well to say "it was caused by not obeying her husband" and that is technically true, but it is not acceptable. The AB of C was indulging in victim blaming as far as I can see.

[Rhiannon]

The point I was trying to make (perhaps not very well) is that "not obeying" is not an acceptable excuse for committing violence whatever the circumstances. IT's all very well to say "it was caused by not obeying her husband" and that is technically true, but it is not acceptable. The AB of C was indulging in victim blaming as far as I can see.

No, I did get your point, Jeremy. I think if we try to continue the conversation we'll still be at cross purposes though. Not to worry.

[Brownie]

It's doubtful anyone on here has been the victim of domestic violence or dished it out but if there is someone, they aren't likely to say so on a public forum.
I don't mind saying it hasn't happened to me nor have I committed the offence.

Going back to what Hope said, it probably would be a good idea for more of us to campaign for the disestablishment of the CofE but the way it is now and has been for many years, it doesn't intrude into our lives as it did in days gone by.  It's quite a benign establishment and cares for everyone in England, Christian or not, so it doesn't worry most of us.  The Anglican church in other countries has more to say - maybe they shouldn't be under the same banner - and we will speak against that, but as it's not here we tend to be a bit lazy when it comes to actually doing anything.  I must admit I have nothing against the Cof E in England, it bothers me not a bit and am sure I'd feel the same were I a Hindu.

Does the Church of England state in its rules that a woman must obey a man?  I think not though the scriptures seem to indicate that, as Christ is head of the Church, a husband is the head of the household - but who enforces that nowadays?

[ippy]

It's doubtful anyone on here has been the victim of domestic violence or dished it out but if there is someone, they aren't likely to say so on a public forum.
I don't mind saying it hasn't happened to me nor have I committed the offence.

Going back to what Hope said, it probably would be a good idea for more of us to campaign for the disestablishment of the CofE but the way it is now and has been for many years, it doesn't intrude into our lives as it did in days gone by.  It's quite a benign establishment and cares for everyone in England, Christian or not, so it doesn't worry most of us.  The Anglican church in other countries has more to say - maybe they shouldn't be under the same banner - and we will speak against that, but as it's not here we tend to be a bit lazy when it comes to actually doing anything.  I must admit I have nothing against the Cof E in England, it bothers me not a bit and am sure I'd feel the same were I a Hindu.

Does the Church of England state in its rules that a woman must obey a man?  I think not though the scriptures seem to indicate that, as Christ is head of the Church, a husband is the head of the household - but who enforces that nowadays?

I can't think why I would want to bark out orders at my wife, there isn't much of her, she's virtically challenged and when I think of where she would hit me if I did try to give her an order, it wouldn't be a very good idea on my part.

I understand there are violent people about that hit their partners, a bit difficult to understand if you're not inclined that way, I believe steroids are inclined to make those that take them for muscle building a lot more violent than they would normaly be.

Perhaps it could be men that have a naturally large amount of testosterone are a part of the picture.

I don't like to think about the side effects of taking seteroids too much, it sounds both bone cracking and eye watering to me, but then some of us don't necessarily have to go there, far be it for me_____

ippy

[Brownie]

   You are funny ippy, I always know I will finish reading one of your posts with a smile on my face.  Everyone should have an ippy in their life.  Your small wife is a lucky woman.

Anabolic steroids, such as those used by body builders, do cause irrational behaviour and outbursts.  Pointless, far better to be puny I would have thought.

[Alien]

How would we know - we weren't there. I did allude to this in my earlier post - could all be spin in the reporting.

Yeh, could be. Funny how some people are happy to get stuck into the bishop chappie without checking that the report is correct (it may be).

[Shaker]

Yeh, could be. Funny how some people are happy to get stuck into the bishop chappie without checking that the report is correct (it may be).

Who would pass up a chance to bash the bishop?

[Sassy]

It's doubtful anyone on here has been the victim of domestic violence or dished it out but if there is someone, they aren't likely to say so on a public forum.
I don't mind saying it hasn't happened to me nor have I committed the offence.

Going back to what Hope said, it probably would be a good idea for more of us to campaign for the disestablishment of the CofE but the way it is now and has been for many years, it doesn't intrude into our lives as it did in days gone by.  It's quite a benign establishment and cares for everyone in England, Christian or not, so it doesn't worry most of us.  The Anglican church in other countries has more to say - maybe they shouldn't be under the same banner - and we will speak against that, but as it's not here we tend to be a bit lazy when it comes to actually doing anything.  I must admit I have nothing against the Cof E in England, it bothers me not a bit and am sure I'd feel the same were I a Hindu.

Does the Church of England state in its rules that a woman must obey a man?  I think not though the scriptures seem to indicate that, as Christ is head of the Church, a husband is the head of the household - but who enforces that nowadays?

How quick you forget...

[Brownie]

Please tell me what I have forgotten Sassy?  I am not CofE but have not known of any Anglicans who believe a woman should obey a man.  I have known Christians, who are not Anglican, who believe a man is head of the household and some do defer to their husbands.  With other couples, they defer to eachother as different situations arise.
When I married, we both promised to love, honour and cherish.

[floo]

Going back to what Hope said, it probably would be a good idea for more of us to campaign for the disestablishment of the CofE but the way it is now and has been for many years, it doesn't intrude into our lives as it did in days gone by.  It's quite a benign establishment and cares for everyone in England, Christian or not, so it doesn't worry most of us.  The Anglican church in other countries has more to say - maybe they shouldn't be under the same banner - and we will speak against that, but as it's not here we tend to be a bit lazy when it comes to actually doing anything.  I must admit I have nothing against the Cof E in England, it bothers me not a bit and am sure I'd feel the same were I a Hindu.

Does the Church of England state in its rules that a woman must obey a man?  I think not though the scriptures seem to indicate that, as Christ is head of the Church, a husband is the head of the household - but who enforces that nowadays?




How quick you forget...

Belief in the literal truth of the Bible is responsible for much evil, in the past and even to the present day. Treating women as underlings is crazy, and most Christians wouldn't subscribe to that garbage, but of course there are always some saddos who would.       

[ippy]

  You are funny ippy, I always know I will finish reading one of your posts with a smile on my face.  Everyone should have an ippy in their life.  Your small wife is a lucky woman.

Anabolic steroids, such as those used by body builders, do cause irrational behaviour and outbursts.  Pointless, far better to be puny I would have thought.

You know Brownie, that's what I keep telling her, through the letter box and with my running shoes on.

ippy

[Brownie]

I'm not surprised you are running from her ippy if you console her that it's OK to be puny  .

[Sassy]

Please tell me what I have forgotten Sassy?  I am not CofE but have not known of any Anglicans who believe a woman should obey a man.  I have known Christians, who are not Anglican, who believe a man is head of the household and some do defer to their husbands.  With other couples, they defer to eachother as different situations arise.
When I married, we both promised to love, honour and cherish.

It's doubtful anyone on here has been the victim of domestic violence or dished it out but if there is someone, they aren't likely to say so on a public forum.
I don't mind saying it hasn't happened to me nor have I committed the offence.

How quickly you forget...

[Brownie]

I wish you'd tell me what I've forgotten Sass.

[NicholasMarks]

Seriously?

Fury as archbishop says domestic violence is caused by women 'not obeying men'

There are times the attitudes in religion are just so....so ...prejudiced, judgemental and basically crappy. 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/fury-archbishop-says-domestic-violence-7128881

I'm glad when I read something like this, I don't have an organised religion to follow along with its "issues" and single men who have no experience of family life making daft statements.

It's an arch bishop   
 

Domestic violence is no different from any other type of bullying.

It could be either partner who is attacking the good order and good health of the other. It's just an unpleasent fact of life that one partner wants to dominate the other. It starts with attacking the emotional strength of the other without being too honest about it. Winding them up and forcing aggression down the others throat until they are worn out emotionally and can put up no resistance. It's easy to work this out when you have seen bullying up close and personal.

The bit that intrigues me is that it appears to be the same mechanics we inflict on our own genetics. We clean the car on a Sunday...make sure it is serviced regularly, we paint our homes and fill them with fine adornments but we ignore the good order of our own inner being. When our genetics have had enough, may I suggest, they too start going wild and uncontrollable, malfunctioning in absurd ways and pass on this genetic pattern to other tired body cells...just a thought.

I can offer a cure all in both instances but I'm afraid Jesus Christ is involved as well.

[ippy]

Seriously?

Fury as archbishop says domestic violence is caused by women 'not obeying men'

There are times the attitudes in religion are just so....so ...prejudiced, judgemental and basically crappy. 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/fury-archbishop-says-domestic-violence-7128881

I'm glad when I read something like this, I don't have an organised religion to follow along with its "issues" and single men who have no experience of family life making daft statements.

It's an arch bishop   
 

Is this bloke still alive?

ippy

[Owlswing]

Domestic violence is no different from any other type of bullying.

It could be either partner who is attacking the good order and good health of the other. It's just an unpleasent fact of life that one partner wants to dominate the other. It starts with attacking the emotional strength of the other without being too honest about it. Winding them up and forcing aggression down the others throat until they are worn out emotionally and can put up no resistance. It's easy to work this out when you have seen bullying up close and personal.

The bit that intrigues me is that it appears to be the same mechanics we inflict on our own genetics. We clean the car on a Sunday...make sure it is serviced regularly, we paint our homes and fill them with fine adornments but we ignore the good order of our own inner being. When our genetics have had enough, may I suggest, they too start going wild and uncontrollable, malfunctioning in absurd ways and pass on this genetic pattern to other tired body cells...just a thought.

I can offer a cure all in both instances but I'm afraid Jesus Christ is involved as well.

If Jesus Christ is the cure he's a bit (insert expletive of your choice) late - a cure has been needed for centuries and he has been sittting on his hands on the right hand of God and neither of them has lifted finger! Your answer above is about as patronising of the victims of domestic violence as it is possible to imagine!

Tell any victim of domestic violence, female or male, that Jesus Christ is the answer and you are likely to get, at the very least, the tongue lashing that you so richly deserve. 

[NicholasMarks]

If Jesus Christ is the cure he's a bit (insert expletive of your choice) late - a cure has been needed for centuries and he has been sittting on his hands on the right hand of God and neither of them has lifted finger! Your answer above is about as patronising of the victims of domestic violence as it is possible to imagine!

Tell any victim of domestic violence, female or male, that Jesus Christ is the answer and you are likely to get, at the very least, the tongue lashing that you so richly deserve.

Which bit don't you like Owlswing...is it the bit where a perfectly logical explanation is attributed to a nasty and serious condition that displays itself in two branches of human failing or is it that Jesus Christ died and was resurrected 2000 years ago to teach you about oppression and you didn't give a damn.

Upbuilding an electric resistance is a very serious business but you have a greater voice in condemning it than you do about exploring its scientific nature just as your best scientists ignore it.

[Owlswing]

Which bit don't you like Owlswing...is it the bit where a perfectly logical explanation is attributed to a nasty and serious condition that displays itself in two branches of human failing or is it that Jesus Christ died and was resurrected 2000 years ago to teach you about oppression and you didn't give a damn.

Jesus Christ is a Johnny-come-lately in the deity stakes - mine pre-date him and his father by as much as 25,000 years.

You said that Jesus Christ was part of your answer to domestic violence.

This thread is about a Bishop of your Christian church who stated that women are subjected to domestic violence for "not obeying men", and you are saying that the eponymous leader of your church has sat around for 2,000 years allowing women to be subjected to domestic violence because they did "not obey men" and still claim the he is the cure.

If he was the cure he would never have allowed one of his bishops to make a statement like the one he did, except for the well-known misogyny of the clergy of the Christian church - the woman shall keep silent in church I think the words are.

Domestic violence is another indictment of your God's and his son's indifference to the suffering of those he would have get on their knees and thank him for his love them. You have to be the basest of submissives to love that kind of sadist.

Upbuilding an electric resistance is a very serious business but you have a greater voice in condemning it than you do about exploring its scientific nature just as your best scientists ignore it.

Do what?

[NicholasMarks]

Jesus Christ is a Johnny-come-lately in the deity stakes - mine pre-date him and his father by as much as 25,000 years.

You said that Jesus Christ was part of your answer to domestic violence.

This thread is about a Bishop of your Christian church who stated that women are subjected to domestic violence for "not obeying men", and you are saying that the eponymous leader of your church has sat around for 2,000 years allowing women to be subjected to domestic violence because they did "not obey men" and still claim the he is the cure.

If he was the cure he would never have allowed one of his bishops to make a statement like the one he did, except for the well-known misogyny of the clergy of the Christian church - the woman shall keep silent in church I think the words are.

Domestic violence is another indictment of your God's and his son's indifference to the suffering of those he would have get on their knees and thank him for his love them. You have to be the basest of submissives to love that kind of sadist.

Do what?

Iniquity isn't the work of Jesus Christ it is the work of 1st century scammers who wanted a share of the booty they could gain including the machinations of a power hungry emperor. As for your gods having a longer history I suggest that eternity is a little longer.

Bishops making remarks that go against the spirit of Jesus' teaching identify them as rather fraudulent doesn't it.

If I have breathed new life in an old thread I am sorry..but resurrection is a bit like that.