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Re: After The Fall
« Reply #25 on: April 21, 2016, 10:10:31 AM »
Quote from: newnature on April 21, 2016, 10:06:44 AM
Genesis happen. Genesis shouldn't have happen, but it did happen.

How do you know?

Because it says so in a book?
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Re: After The Fall
« Reply #26 on: April 21, 2016, 10:11:28 AM »
Quote from: newnature on April 21, 2016, 10:06:44 AM
Genesis happen. Genesis shouldn't have happen, but it did happen.

Evidence...?
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Re: After The Fall
« Reply #27 on: April 21, 2016, 10:15:06 AM »
Quote from: BeRational on April 21, 2016, 10:10:31 AM
How do you know?

Because it says so in a book?

I showed were the earth was formed. It was formed before any living thing was made, formed or created.
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Re: After The Fall
« Reply #28 on: April 21, 2016, 10:15:19 AM »
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We who study Genesis.

Fine - all you need to do now then is to build a logical path from studying Genesis to "knowing" what a supposed god did. Good luck with it.

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Genesis shouldn't have happened. Why is the earth flooded out in Genesis 1:1?

Presumably because the authors had gleaned enough inherited stories of ancient but localised floods to be able to gussy them up into a fiction about a global phenomenon.

What though does that have to do with your personal faith that there is (or was) something you call "God", and why claim "we" when you actually meant "I"?
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Re: After The Fall
« Reply #29 on: April 21, 2016, 10:16:05 AM »
Quote from: Some Kind of Stranger on April 21, 2016, 10:11:28 AM
Evidence...?

Figures of speech is enough evidence for you.
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Re: After The Fall
« Reply #30 on: April 21, 2016, 10:16:09 AM »
Quote from: newnature on April 21, 2016, 10:15:06 AM
I showed were the earth was formed. It was formed before any living thing was made, formed or created.

Not sure how you know this?

You are just making it up.

What evidence do you have to backup your assertions?

Because it says so in a book?
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Re: After The Fall
« Reply #31 on: April 21, 2016, 10:16:33 AM »
Quote from: newnature on April 21, 2016, 10:16:05 AM
Figures of speech is enough evidence for you.

what?
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Re: After The Fall
« Reply #32 on: April 21, 2016, 10:18:29 AM »
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We who do word studies knows about the north.

Isaiah 14:13 - The north, this helps us to localize the dwelling place of God.

Psalms 75:6 - It comes not from the east, nor from the west, nor from the south, therefore promotion comes from the north. The immediate place of God’s throne, to which Lucifer aspires. 


Job 26:7 - In order to stretch out the north over the empty place, there has to be a structure in place separating whatever is inside it from the empty place outside of it.

Riiiiight....okaaaay then (steps gingerly away while asking nurse to consider upping your dosage as the rambling incoherence is getting worse than ever)
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Re: After The Fall
« Reply #33 on: April 21, 2016, 10:19:07 AM »
Quote from: newnature on April 21, 2016, 10:16:05 AM
Figures of speech is enough evidence for you.

No, they aren't.
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Re: After The Fall
« Reply #34 on: April 21, 2016, 10:20:17 AM »
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Genesis happen. Genesis shouldn't have happen, but it did happen.

No it didn't - it's just a narrative that was persuasive to some folks at the time because it appeared to have explanatory power, just as stories about Thor explained thunder to the norse people.
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Re: After The Fall
« Reply #35 on: April 21, 2016, 10:23:23 AM »
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Figures of speech is enough evidence for you.

Oh dear. Would that be any figures of speech, or just the ones in a particular book you happen to find persuasive?
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Re: After The Fall
« Reply #36 on: April 21, 2016, 10:23:43 AM »
Quote from: bluehillside on April 21, 2016, 10:15:19 AM
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Fine - all you need to do now then is to build a logical path from studying Genesis to "knowing" what a supposed god did. Good luck with it.

Presumably because the authors had gleaned enough inherited stories of ancient but localised floods to be able to gussy them up into a fiction about a global phenomenon.

What though does that have to do with your personal faith that there is (or was) something you call "God", and why claim "we" when you actually meant "I"?

Lucifer attacked God, he took control of the earth and then flooded it out. Genesis is about how God took control back, but to be fair to Lucifer, God put that tree of knowledge of good and bad in the garden.   
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Re: After The Fall
« Reply #37 on: April 21, 2016, 10:24:49 AM »
Quote from: BeRational on April 21, 2016, 10:16:09 AM
Not sure how you know this?

You are just making it up.

What evidence do you have to backup your assertions?

Because it says so in a book?

Did God create gold?
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Re: After The Fall
« Reply #38 on: April 21, 2016, 10:25:38 AM »
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Re: After The Fall
« Reply #39 on: April 21, 2016, 10:26:26 AM »
Quote from: newnature on April 21, 2016, 10:23:43 AM
Lucifer attacked God, he took control of the earth and then flooded it out. Genesis is about how God took control back, but to be fair to Lucifer, God put that tree of knowledge of good and bad in the garden.

You actually think this is true, do you?

If so, why?
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Re: After The Fall
« Reply #40 on: April 21, 2016, 10:26:37 AM »
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Lucifer attacked God, he took control of the earth and then flooded it out. Genesis is about how God took control back, but to be fair to Lucifer, God put that tree of knowledge of good and bad in the garden.

Blimey, you really do have it bad don't you. Lucifer eh? A tree of knowledge too it seems? And you seriously think these things to be real and not fictional?

Seriously?
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Re: After The Fall
« Reply #41 on: April 21, 2016, 10:28:07 AM »
Quote from: BeRational on April 21, 2016, 10:16:33 AM
what?

Just a book! This book uses all known figures of speech there are. No way around figures of speech.
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Re: After The Fall
« Reply #42 on: April 21, 2016, 10:28:59 AM »
Quote from: newnature on April 21, 2016, 10:28:07 AM
Just a book! This book uses all known figures of speech there are. No way around figures of speech.

Why not.

Shakespeare created loads more, so what.

Figures of speach mean nothing.
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Re: After The Fall
« Reply #43 on: April 21, 2016, 10:31:28 AM »
Quote from: bluehillside on April 21, 2016, 10:18:29 AM
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Riiiiight....okaaaay then (steps gingerly away while asking nurse to consider upping your dosage as the rambling incoherence is getting worse than ever)

Revelations shows the north, where the 24 Elders are sitting.
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Re: After The Fall
« Reply #44 on: April 21, 2016, 10:32:13 AM »
Quote from: Some Kind of Stranger on April 21, 2016, 10:19:07 AM
No, they aren't.

You will never get around them.
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Re: After The Fall
« Reply #45 on: April 21, 2016, 10:33:31 AM »
And I thought TW and Sassy were off the scale - this is some industrial grade fruit-loopism, and frankly it's a bit uncomfortable. Unless matey is a total wind up merchant he doesn't appear to be the full ticket so perhaps it'll be a kindness just to leave him alone?
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Re: After The Fall
« Reply #46 on: April 21, 2016, 10:34:23 AM »
Quote from: bluehillside on April 21, 2016, 10:20:17 AM
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No it didn't - it's just a narrative that was persuasive to some folks at the time because it appeared to have explanatory power, just as stories about Thor explained thunder to the norse people.

The fact that Genesis shouldn't have happen, is prove enough for you that it did happen.
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Re: After The Fall
« Reply #47 on: April 21, 2016, 10:34:32 AM »
Quote from: newnature on April 21, 2016, 10:31:28 AM
Revelations shows the north, where the 24 Elders are sitting.

This is just bonkers!
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Re: After The Fall
« Reply #48 on: April 21, 2016, 10:35:51 AM »
Quote from: bluehillside on April 21, 2016, 10:23:23 AM
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Oh dear. Would that be any figures of speech, or just the ones in a particular book you happen to find persuasive?

To bad you didn't read or study what I wrote.
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Re: After The Fall
« Reply #49 on: April 21, 2016, 10:36:28 AM »
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This is just bonkers!

And then some...
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