After The Fall

[Sebastian Toe]

Toe Thanks, fill the space you are a waste of thank you,nothing in your head also could never go bang.

 ~TW~

~TW~ thanks, you have proved my point.

Now why don't you go on another of your holidays and leave the grown ups to talk.

[newnature]

Dear Leonard,

More kind of NicholasMarks but not as wonderful, yet

But like our Nicholas, I was sent on a little journey.

Analogy: You are acting like a dog.
Metaphor: You are a dog.
Hypocatastasis: Dog!

Still a snake or serpent, I don't get this hypocatastasis stuff.

Anyway newnature is different, I like different.

Gonnagle.

Ursa Minor - the lesser sheep-fold. By placing in its very tip the most important, wondrous, and mysterious Polar Star, the central star of the heaven, round which all others revolve. The brightest star, at the point of the tail, is the most important in the whole heaven. it is named Al Ruccaba, which means the turned or ridden on, and is today the Polar or central star, which does not revolve in a circle as does every other star, but remains, apparently, fixed in its position.

But though the star does not revolve like the others, the central point in the heaven is very slowly but steadily moving. When these constellations were formed, the Dragon possessed this important point, and the star in Draco, marked this central point. But, by its gradual recession, that point is sufficiently near this star Al Reccaba, in the Lesser Sheepfold, for it to be what is called the Polar Star. The Polar Star has been removed from the Dragon, and is now in the Lesser Fold.

[Stranger]

Ursa Minor - the lesser sheep-fold. By placing in its very tip the most important, wondrous, and mysterious Polar Star, the central star of the heaven, round which all others revolve.

This is getting more insane with every post.

You do realise that the stars don't really revolve, don't you...?

[Leonard James]

Dear Leonard,

More kind of NicholasMarks but not as wonderful, yet

True!

But like our Nicholas, I was sent on a little journey.

Analogy: You are acting like a dog.
Metaphor: You are a dog.
Hypocatastasis: Dog!

Still a snake or serpent, I don't get this hypocatastasis stuff.

Anyway newnature is different, I like different.

There's no accounting for tastes. (another of my old mum's wise saws)

[Gordon]

nn

It seems to me that you are, in effect, proselytising your particular take on theology, and experience suggests you'll just keep repeating your mantra ad nauseum so I think I'll just leave you to it.

[floo]

I am beginning to think NN is a WUM who is having a 'larf' as his posts are quite crazy.

[newnature]

Is anyone else awaiting the hexagons of lightning to possibly make an appearance? 

Maybe it was lightning on the earth when it was forming itself before Genesis.

[~TW~]

~TW~ thanks, you have proved my point.

Now why don't you go on another of your holidays and leave the grown ups to talk.

Toe you have no points. I must say I like the new man,so please lots more of newnature lots and lots what a fine feast {spiritual} it is.

                      ~TW~

[floo]

Toe you have no points. I must say I like the new man,so please lots more of newnature lots and lots what a fine feast {spiritual} it is.

                      ~TW~

You appear to be a WUM as well, so no wonder you are in love with nn.

[bluehillside Retd.]

new algorithm,

Ursa Minor - the lesser sheep-fold. By placing in its very tip the most important, wondrous, and mysterious Polar Star, the central star of the heaven, round which all others revolve etc...

All the other stars revolve around the Pole Star now do they? Well blimey O'Reilly - maybe someone should inform the observatories that their findings have been wrong all this time. It's gonna be a problem for NASA though because they use fixed star positions for clocks and for navigation purposes. Perhaps you should call them to pass on your insights before they put the next crew of astronauts into space? Dammit man, this is urgent!

[~TW~]

You appear to be a WUM as well, so no wonder you are in love with nn.

 Wum is me  Oh wum is me.

    ~TW~

[floo]

Wum is me  Oh wum is me.

    ~TW~

Yep, you said it!

[bluehillside Retd.]

TW,

Wum is me  Oh wum is me.

The first and possibly the last thing you'll ever post with which I agree - WUM is you indeed.

[newnature]

OK let's start with how you know this to be true?

Job 26:7 - In order to stretch out the north over the empty place, there has to be a structure in place separating whatever is inside it from the empty place outside of it. Whatever land they were travailing in couldn't support life other then the eternal life they each have within themselves.

The north tells us that God did indeed create some kind of structure around him, because he went to the north side of that structure and laid the north side of it over the empty place that is outside of that structure. It is in the north of the north of that new addition to that structure, that God established a different throne to sit on, because his throne (the Ark) is in the tent that God pitched in the north of the north also.

[~TW~]

TW,

The first and possibly the last thing you'll ever post with which I agree - WUM is you indeed.

 Bluehillside explain to me how nothing went bang go on wum me. 

          ~TW~

[newnature]

There is nothing good about god, not even the worst of humans is as bad as it, if the deeds attributed to it were true.

Yahweh knows that, that human beings will become like Yahweh, knowing good and bad; it’s one of the things about Yahweh, he knows good and bad, and has chosen the good.

[~TW~]

Job 26:7 - In order to stretch out the north over the empty place, there has to be a structure in place separating whatever is inside it from the empty place outside of it. Whatever land they were travailing in couldn't support life other then the eternal life they each have within themselves.

The north tells us that God did indeed create some kind of structure around him, because he went to the north side of that structure and laid the north side of it over the empty place that is outside of that structure. It is in the north of the north of that new addition to that structure, that God established a different throne to sit on, because his throne (the Ark) is in the tent that God pitched in the north of the north also.

 Precisely
~TW~

[bluehillside Retd.]

new algorithm,

Job 26:7 - In order to stretch out the north over the empty place, there has to be a structure in place separating whatever is inside it from the empty place outside of it. Whatever land they were travailing in couldn't support life other then the eternal life they each have within themselves.

The north tells us that God did indeed create some kind of structure around him, because he went to the north side of that structure and laid the north side of it over the empty place that is outside of that structure. It is in the north of the north of that new addition to that structure, that God established a different throne to sit on, because his throne (the Ark) is in the tent that God pitched in the north of the north also.

God was into camping? Well well well - presumably Jesus wore his sandals over his socks too then?

The question you were asked though was about how you knew something to be true, not about what a book happens to say. If however you seriously think that this book is in some way a reliable guide to factual truths, by all means have an attempt at explaining why you think that.

[newnature]

Well, that's OK then, because it didn't.

It's a post-hoc rationalisation myth to explain why humans appear different to other animals in their degree of self-awareness.

ht

Genesis 1:1-2 “The earth” is the figure of speech Anadiplosis or Like sentence endings and beginnings. The word or words concluding one sentence are repeated at the beginning of another. 


“Without form” the Hebrew word is ‘tohu va bohu’ and is the figure of speech Paronomasia or Rhyming words. The repetition of words similar in sound,  but not necessarily in sense. Without form, one of the Hebrew words is ‘tohu’ and is used as a subsequent event. Not created ‘tohu’ (Isa. 45:18), but became ‘tohu’ (2 Pet. 3:5-6). The other word is ‘bohu’ and is rendered “void”, means desolate. The two words together occur in Gen. 1:2a; Isa. 34:11; Jer. 4:23.

“Face” in Genesis 1:2a is the figure Pleonasm or Redundancy. Where what is said is, immediately after, put in another or opposite way to make it impossible for the sense to be missed.

[bluehillside Retd.]

TW,

Bluehillside explain to me how nothing went bang go on wum me. 

First, no-one does say that - it's just another straw man of your own making.

Second, even if someone did say that and the answer to your "how?" was "don't know", that would provide not one jot of one iota of one smidgen of evidence for whatever unevidenced explanation you wanted to insert into the gap, "God" included.

[~TW~]

 Newnature could we consider the 5 atheist miracles at this point.

                                                                                                            http://creation.com/five-atheist-miracles

                 ~TW~

[Stranger]

Bluehillside explain to me how nothing went bang go on wum me. 

          ~TW~

Having a daft fairytale that purports to "explain" (in a just-so story sort of way) something is, in no way, made any more believable by pointing out that those who refuse to accept it don't know everything.

Pretending that it does, is one of the stupidest "arguments" of theists.

[newnature]

new algorithm,

Let's not. Let's start instead with what you mean by "Heaven" and why you think it exists.

Then let's have you tell us what you mean by "God", and perhaps tell us why you think he or it exists too.

Then if you're still going perhaps you can share with us why you think an ancient book of myth and fable has anything to say to the objective accuracy or otherwise of your faith beliefs.

And only once you've done all that can we talk about whether or not your question is in fact "interesting".

I present my case. It is interesting though.

[Stranger]

Having a daft fairytale that purports to "explain" (in a just-so story sort of way) something is, in no way, made any more believable by pointing out that those who refuse to accept it don't know everything.

Pretending that it does, is one of the stupidest "arguments" of theists.

Right on cue

Newnature could we consider the 5 atheist miracles at this point.

                                                                                                            http://creation.com/five-atheist-miracles

Some idiot has written a whole website based on it....

[bluehillside Retd.]

I'll say this for ol' new algorithm - though barmier than a box of frogs he clearly is, he must have put in an awful lot of hours just making up his bumper lexicon of personal facts.