After The Fall

[bluehillside Retd.]

TW,

With your imagination made up facts pertaining to your imagination are easy come.But you are in the shadow of newnature this chap is a breath of fresh air.

And for those of us working in English?

[floo]

With your imagination made up facts pertaining to your imagination are easy come.But you are in the shadow of newnature this chap is a breath of fresh air.
~TW~

It is you who makes it up as you go along!

[~TW~]

I love newnature because he had you all on his hook for most of the day,will he come back? he might is he right ? no but for entertainment this chap is good.I prefer him to the other ,half JW half rocket man along with his dynamic ?.For me it just goes to show that you floos and JP's get what you deserve a bit of fun,so come back newnature soon.

             ~TW~

[Walt Zingmatilder]

new,

Are you a person or some kind of random word generator? If the former, I hear that Ryman's have a sale on green ink this week - better hurry!

I actually like a bit of scholarship rather than people who have garnered an internet presence on my coattails.

[2Corrie]

I love newnature because he had you all on his hook for most of the day,will he come back? he might is he right ? no but for entertainment this chap is good.I prefer him to the other ,half JW half rocket man along with his dynamic ?.For me it just goes to show that you floos and JP's get what you deserve a bit of fun,so come back newnature soon.

             ~TW~

but I think he's gonna be a long long time, ooo rocketman...

[jjohnjil]

but I think he's gonna be a long long time, ooo rocketman...

His battery ran out.

[newnature]

Are you 'Stone(d)', if you get my drift? 

Ezekiel 28:13; and gold beautifully wrought for you, mined for you, prepared the day you were created. A day is like 10,000 years to God, that earth had a lot time to form itself. What about water?

[newnature]

This is getting more insane with every post.

You do realise that the stars don't really revolve, don't you...?

The brightest star, at the point of the tail, is the most important in the whole heaven. it is named Al Ruccaba, which means the turned or ridden on, and is today the Polar or central star, which does not revolve in a circle as does every other stars, but remains, apparently, fixed in its position. But though the star does not revolve like the others, the central point in the heaven is very slowly but steadily moving.

[Stranger]

The brightest star, at the point of the tail, is the most important in the whole heaven. it is named Al Ruccaba, which means the turned or ridden on, and is today the Polar or central star, which does not revolve in a circle as does every other stars, but remains, apparently, fixed in its position. But though the star does not revolve like the others, the central point in the heaven is very slowly but steadily moving.

You can't be for real... absolutely nobody with access to a computer can be that ignorant.

[newnature]

nn

It seems to me that you are, in effect, proselytising your particular take on theology, and experience suggests you'll just keep repeating your mantra ad nauseum so I think I'll just leave you to it.

Trying to show the imagery of these figures of speech. The ground thirst.

[newnature]

I am beginning to think NN is a WUM who is having a 'larf' as his posts are quite crazy.

The progeny of the fallen angels before the flood. The Nephilim, these abnormal WUM who were having a 'larf', their destruction was necessary for the preservation of the human race, and for the faithfulness of Yahweh’s Word (Gen. 3:15).

[newnature]

new algorithm,

All the other stars revolve around the Pole Star now do they? Well blimey O'Reilly - maybe someone should inform the observatories that their findings have been wrong all this time. It's gonna be a problem for NASA though because they use fixed star positions for clocks and for navigation purposes. Perhaps you should call them to pass on your insights before they put the next crew of astronauts into space? Dammit man, this is urgent!

How did you know I heard that on O'Reilly. I don't know how it works, but something is going on up there.

[Ricky Spanish]

Whit... You been on the pish again?

[Ricky Spanish]

In the Hebrew, Satan is never referred to as a serpent/snake..   

Ahh fuck - I see where you're going with this..

Sorry, yet another moron joins the cacophony of fellow morons, as you were. Ignore this twat.

[newnature]

new algorithm,

God was into camping? Well well well - presumably Jesus wore his sandals over his socks too then?

The question you were asked though was about how you knew something to be true, not about what a book happens to say. If however you seriously think that this book is in some way a reliable guide to factual truths, by all means have an attempt at explaining why you think that.

It was the same in the case of the Tabernacle which served “unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as when Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the Tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern showed thee in the mount.” That Tabernacle is in the north of this structure. I'm sure they did a lot of camping in the empty place. Now that they are in this structure, I'm sure they kicked it for awhile as the earth formed.

[newnature]

TW,

First, no-one does say that - it's just another straw man of your own making.

Second, even if someone did say that and the answer to your "how?" was "don't know", that would provide not one jot of one iota of one smidgen of evidence for whatever unevidenced explanation you wanted to insert into the gap, "God" included.

Gen. 1:14-19 is the first mention of the heavenly bodies that can be seen from earth. The groupings of the stars, there is no articulate speech or voice, and no words are heard, but their sayings have gone out into all the world (Ps. 19:1-6). No gaps, this took time.

[newnature]

Newnature could we consider the 5 atheist miracles at this point.

                                                                                                            http://creation.com/five-atheist-miracles

                 ~TW~

Atheist don't understand why Genesis happened. No miracles in Genesis, because of that tree of knowledge of good and bad. God made a point to Lucifer. The beginning of Genesis, “And” is the figure of speech Polysyndeton or Many Ands. The repetition of the word “and” at the beginning of successive clauses, each independent, important, and emphatic, with no climax at the end. 34 verses of this introduction, each one of 102 separate acts is emphasized; and the important word “God” in versus 1 is carried like a lamp through the whole of this Introduction.

[newnature]

Having a daft fairytale that purports to "explain" (in a just-so story sort of way) something is, in no way, made any more believable by pointing out that those who refuse to accept it don't know everything.

Pretending that it does, is one of the stupidest "arguments" of theists.

The monotheism of Israel does not and cannot evolve from polytheism, because the two are based on radically divergent world-views, radically divergent intuitions about reality. The monotheism of Israel was not, it could not be the natural outgrowth of the polytheism of an earlier age, it was a radical break with it. 
Monotheism was a revolution, not an evolution.

[newnature]

I'll say this for ol' new algorithm - though barmier than a box of frogs he clearly is, he must have put in an awful lot of hours just making up his bumper lexicon of personal facts.

There was a second irruption of some different fallen angels, smaller in number and more limited in area, for they were for the most part confined to Canaan “the nations of Canaan.” The Nephilim, these abnormal beings is what Yahweh was getting rid of. But this second irruption took place on Yahweh’s land, the land he promised to Abraham. 

These abnormal beings were to be cut off, and driven out, and utterly destroyed (Deut. 20:17; Josh. 3:10) but Israel failed. We do not know how many got away to other countries to escape the general destruction. If this were recognized, it would go far to solve many problems connected with Anthropology?

[newnature]

Newnature

                             It looks like the girls are getting their knickers in a twist. 

    ~TW~

These 'a days' took time. So we come to the fifth 'a day' and we see whatever kind of life being killed off over and over again. It seems that God is making another point to Lucifer. 


Then we come to the cave people during the fifth ‘a day’ in Genesis, that fifth ‘a day’ took around four and half billion years. Look at the cave people, God did not create them in his image. Being created in the image of God means that we must view ourselves as intrinsically valuable and richly invested with meaning, potentially and responsibilities. We are to be and to do on a finite scale, what God is and does on an infinite scale.

By virtue of being created in the image of God, human beings are capable of reflecting his character in their own life; animals possess none of these qualities. What distinguishes people from animals is the fact that human nature inherently has godlike possibilities.

Omniscience, omnipotence, or omnipresence, none of these other divine attributes have been ascribed to the human race as part of the image of God. We have been created to reflect God in our thinking and actions, but the physical sustained by God and dependent upon him for our existence in this world and in the world to come. Developing a godly character in this present life, this will be our personal identity in the world to come. It is the character or personality that we have developed in this life, that God preserves in his memory.

So these cave people, they would have to have everything we have, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mtLXpgjHL0&feature=related

These cave people would not have had a God conscious, like God has given to the human race a God consciousness, the conscious perception that we could say that there is a God somewhere and that ultimately the human race is accountable to that God. These cave people would have been smart, knowing how to make a living.

[newnature]

new algorithm,

No you haven't and so no it isn't. I asked you some perfectly clear questions - why just ignore them?

The Nephilim, these mighty men, the men of renown. The explanation of the origin of the Greek mythology, that mythology was no mere invention of the human brain. But it grew out of the traditions, and memories, and legends of the doings of that mighty race of beings, and was gradually evolved out of the ‘heroes’ of Gen. 6:4. There are huge building under water off the coast of Japan.

Alexander the Great used what is called ‘religious syncretism,’ Alexander took this tendency of syncretism, of mixing together different religious traditions from different places, and he used it as a self-conscious propaganda technique. Alexander even started claiming divine status for himself. Alexander went around passing out rumors that his mother had actually been impregnated by the god Apollo, when he appeared as a snake in her bed. So, Alexander is putting himself forward as divine. Why? This is not a Greek tradition, but it’s very much a tradition in the East for kings to be considered by their people to be gods.

Alexander says, “Well, if they can be gods, I can be a god.” So Alexander starts spreading rumors that he is divine himself. Alexander probably even believed it; and so he had a god father, he had a human mother, and so then he would identify himself with whoever was a god in the different places. So Alexander would identify himself as a Greek god with a Persian god. Alexander would identify the goddess Isis with some Greek goddess; and so all the time these different gods from different places were basically all said to be simply different cultural representations, different names, for what were generally the same gods all over the place.

Also, though, what they would do is sometimes they wouldn’t try to simply say these gods are the same. What they would just do is add on more gods. They’d get to Syria, “Look at all these god that the Syrians worship. Well, we’ll just add those into our pantheon of gods too.” And this is part of what ancient religion was like, is that people were not exclusive.

You didn’t have to worry. Just because you worshiped one god, doesn’t mean you couldn’t worship another god or several gods or five gods or a hundred gods. Gods knew who everybody was-they weren’t particularly jealous, in that sense. So this is the way people did it. But what Alexander and his successors did, was they made sort of a conscious, propagandistic decision to use religious syncretism to bind together their kingdoms. 

Alexander the Great, and the beginning of Hellenization; that is, the Grecization of the eastern part of the Ancient Mediterranean. That’s all Hellenization means, making it Greek. Alexander the Great’s father was Philip II, King of Macedonia, King of Macedon, and he conquered different Greek city-states by defeating Athens and its allies at Chaeronea. Alexander himself was born in 356 BC, he was educated by Aristotle, Alexander was made king after the assassination of his father. Alexander defeated the Persian Army, which at that time controlled all of Asia Minor, Modern Turkey, and had even threatened to control Greece. Alexander defeated the Persian Army in Asia Minor at Granicus, that put Alexander and his Macedonian Army in charge of both Greece and Asia Minor. When Darius II died, who was the king of the Persians, Alexander himself took on Darius’s title, which was Great King.

After defeating the Persians again, Alexander pushed his army all the way to the Indus River in India, Alexander wanted to go all the way to the Ganges River, but his army forced him to turn back. Alexander died in 323 BC, when he was not yet 33-years-old, and Alexander died in Babylon of a fever. After Alexander’s death, his empire was divided up among four generals of Alexander, although they were Macedonians and spoke Macedonian and not themselves Greek, but they had, just like Alexander, they had adopted Greek language, Greek culture. They educated their children in Greek ways. Alexander, of course, had been educated by Aristotle, when he was young, and so he had adopted Greek language and Greek literature and a lot of other Greek ways. What Alexander had wanted to do was to take all these different peoples, who spoke different languages and had different customs, and use a Greek layer to sort of unite his empire overall.

Now Alexander didn’t really care about the lower class people so much. So they could just still live in their villages and out in the country and do their farming and speak their own local language. But if one were going to be elite-they wanted to establish cities throughout Alexander’s empire that would be actually Greek cities, and he wanted to have the elite people all be able, at least, to speak Greek. We have therefore one world, and in fact this whole dream of Alexander-and it was a very self-conscious, propaganda campaign and a cultural campaign on Alexander’s part. He wanted to make one world. We really have, therefore, for in some way the first time in history, a dream of making all of his empire basically universal, a dream of a universal vision, for one world, under one kind of culture, one kind of language.

This really hadn’t been attempted. Other empires, like the Assyrian Empire, or these kinds of-the Egyptian Empire, when people conquered other peoples, often all they wanted was tribute. They just wanted taxes, and food, and money, and that sort of thing. They didn’t really care about turning those people into Egyptians or into Assyrians. And Alexander didn’t really care that much about the lower classes doing that, but he still wanted the elites. And so Alexander would plant Greek cities and settle his veterans in different parts of his empire in Egypt, in Syria, all the way over, and sometimes in the western part of India, and Alexander would take his veterans of his army, and he would drum them out of the army, when they retire, and Alexander would give them land and they’d build a city there, and that city would be just like a Greek city back home. And they all would speak what developed to be a common form of Greek, slightly different from Classical Greek, what is called Koine Greek. 

[newnature]

More please.

           ~TW~

The first time the Zoa are mentioned in the Bible they are named, though they are not described. In Genesis 3:24 they are called “the Cherubim.” We first see them in connection with the Fall; and we note the fact that they are representative of animate creation, hence their name Zoa. Their number, four, connects them also with the earth. 


Romans 8:19-21 these words receive a new significance if we regard the Cherubim as being the concrete representation of this groaning creation; and as being the pledge that its groaning shall one day cease, and its hope be fulfilled. That hope was given when they were first placed, as in an Tabernacle, at the gate of Eden. There, at that time, was Yahweh’s presence manifested. Hither Cain and Abel brought their offerings; and from this “presence of Yahweh” Cain went out (Genesis 4:14-16). It may be that the Tabernacle of Yahweh continued up to the time of the Flood. For Shem is spoken of as the custodian of this “dwelling place.”

[newnature]

new algorithm,

Just out of interest, are you capable only of regurgitating the bits of a text that appeal to you or do you intend ever to set out why you think this text is a reliable guide to anything?

Oh, and while you're at it do you want to stick with the nonsense of "all the stars revolving" around the Pole Star or can you at least acknowledge that - while you're entitled to make up your own opinions - you don't also get to make up your own facts?

For notwithstanding that we speak of “fixed stars,” there is a constant, though slow, change taking place amongst them. There is also another change taking place owing to the slow recession of the pole of heaven (about 50” in the year); so that while Alpha in the constellation of Draco was the Polar star when the Zodiac was first formed, the Polar Star in now Alpha in what is called Ursa Minor. This change alone carries us back at least 5,000 years.

[Ricky Spanish]

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Got something intelligent to add No Nature.. Unnatural.. frukwanker..

whjatever!!

[~TW~]

For notwithstanding that we speak of “fixed stars,” there is a constant, though slow, change taking place amongst them. There is also another change taking place owing to the slow recession of the pole of heaven (about 50” in the year); so that while Alpha in the constellation of Draco was the Polar star when the Zodiac was first formed, the Polar Star in now Alpha in what is called Ursa Minor. This change alone carries us back at least 5,000 years.

 Very good I am certain all the lads are looking for more of this tomorrow what a treat and learning it has been for these victims of this forum who are self trapped here every day. You have been a breath of fresh air to them.

 Well done newnature keep it coming for me it is goodnight

     ~TW~