After The Fall

[bluehillside Retd.]

new algorithm,

God is doing something different today, this is the age of grace. There will be no demonstrating God in this age of Grace. God made it quite clear what he is doing today.

Un-argued and un-evidenced assertion noted - that's some evasion kick you've got going there my friend.

So now we know that the existence of this supposed "God" is just your personal opinion on the matter, can I share with you my personal opinion about the doings of Colin, the High Nabob of the Leprechauns? After all, being not even wrong my claims have the same epistemic value as yours.

[newnature]

new nature,

Further avoidance noted. So you don't have an argument for this "God" that isn't circular - I assumed as much, but thought it only fair to allow you hang yourself.

It must be awful for you - you've invested all this time in a mad iron-age ontology, only to find that you have no way to demonstrate the central pillar that's supposed to hold it up.

You have my sympathy - if ever though you do feel like attempting an actual argument for this "God" that isn't logically hopeless, I'll read it with interest. Probably best not to hold my breath though...

The message about what is going on during this age of grace anticipated that you would jump to defend yourself. You have your identity in Adam, Adam in rebellion, bad move. The only issue between this so called God and you is why you still have that identity. God is doing something different today in this age of grace.

[Stranger]

For notwithstanding that we speak of “fixed stars,” there is a constant, though slow, change taking place amongst them. There is also another change taking place owing to the slow recession of the pole of heaven (about 50” in the year); so that while Alpha in the constellation of Draco was the Polar star when the Zodiac was first formed, the Polar Star in now Alpha in what is called Ursa Minor. This change alone carries us back at least 5,000 years.

Yeeeeesss. Except that the change of which you speak is not happening to the stars at all, it's happening to the Earth's axis.

[bluehillside Retd.]

new nature,

The message about what is going on during this age of grace anticipated that you would jump to defend yourself. You have your identity in Adam, Adam in rebellion, bad move. The only issue between this so called God and you is why you still have that identity. God is doing something different today in this age of grace.

The other thing I should have mentioned by the way is that being repeatedly not even wrong is that it's, well, a bit dull. Clearly you have no argument worthy of the name for this "God" of yours so I'll leave you to your personal grief on that I think.

Happy to leave the door open to you though if ever you finally feel like making an argument that isn't logically disastrous...

...your call.

[newnature]

new algorithm,

Un-argued and un-evidenced assertion noted - that's some evasion kick you've got going there my friend.

So now we know that the existence of this supposed "God" is just your personal opinion on the matter, can I share with you my personal opinion about the doings of Colin, the High Nabob of the Leprechauns? After all, being not even wrong my claims have the same epistemic value as yours.

The defense mechanism resident within the pride nature of the human heart would be instant in it’s response to protest the accusation of wrath worthiness. The law of Moses will never be held against you. Your sin debt will never be held against. Why you still have your identity in Adam, Adam in rebellion?

[ippy]

new nature,

Further avoidance noted. So you don't have an argument for this "God" that isn't circular - I assumed as much, but thought it only fair to allow you hang yourself.

It must be awful for you - you've invested all this time in a mad iron-age ontology, only to find that you have no way to demonstrate the central pillar that's supposed to hold it up.
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You have my sympathy - if ever though you do feel like attempting an actual argument for this "God" that isn't logically hopeless, I'll read it with interest. Probably best not to hold my breath though...

The message about what is going on during this age of grace anticipated that you would jump to defend yourself. You have your identity in Adam, Adam in rebellion, bad move. The only issue between this so called God and you is why you still have that identity. God is doing something different today in this age of grace.
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I've underlined the bit I don't understand New, what exactly do you mean?

You've used some kind of terminology that I'm not familiar with?

ippy

[bluehillside Retd.]

new algorithm,

The defense mechanism resident within the pride nature of the human heart would be instant in it’s response to protest the accusation of wrath worthiness. The law of Moses will never be held against you. Your sin debt will never be held against. Why you still have your identity in Adam, Adam in rebellion?

That's an interesting move - you're called out on your logical incoherence, so you just switch to plain old linguistic incoherence. Presumably this stuff meant something in your head when you typed it, but there's no guessing what.

Look, if you're unable or unwilling to make an argument for this god of yours that isn't entirely circular (come to think of it, do you even know what "circular argument" means?) do you not think that you at least owe it to yourself to try to answer that question to your own satisfaction?

I know I would. Good luck with it though - this could get messy!

[newnature]

new nature,

The other thing I should have mentioned by the way is that being repeatedly not even wrong is that it's, well, a bit dull. Clearly you have no argument worthy of the name for this "God" of yours so I'll leave you to your personal grief on that I think.

Happy to leave the door open to you though if ever you finally feel like making an argument that isn't logically disastrous...

...your call.

There is no argument about why you still have your identity in Adam, Adam in rebellion. The only issue between God and you is your identity. So you choose not to do something about your identity, when you had the chance too, that is the issue you face before God. Nothing you say about God or anything you do will be the issue between you and God, the only issue is your identity. 

[bluehillside Retd.]

new nature,

There is no argument about why you still have your identity in Adam, Adam in rebellion. The only issue between God and you is your identity. So you choose not to do something about your identity, when you had the chance too, that is the issue you face before God. Nothing you say about God or anything you do will be the issue between you and God, the only issue is your identity.

Nope, still no argument for this "god" of yours then. You remind me of Wylie E. Coyote running off the cliff and only after several seconds looking down and realising with horror that there's nothing supporting him. Only you haven't got to the horror bit yet.

Look, if it's any comfort you're not alone - no-one else has been able to make a logically sound case for "God" either, though to be fair you could at least be arsed to make some kind of effort to do so. Presumably you're happy to be not even wrong, though why you would be is beyond me.

Oh well.

[newnature]

new algorithm,

That's an interesting move - you're called out on your logical incoherence, so you just switch to plain old linguistic incoherence. Presumably this stuff meant something in your head when you typed it, but there's no guessing what.

Look, if you're unable or unwilling to make an argument for this god of yours that isn't entirely circular (come to think of it, do you even know what "circular argument" means?) do you not think that you at least owe it to yourself to try to answer that question to your own satisfaction?

I know I would. Good luck with it though - this could get messy!

You still having your identity in Adam, Adam in rebellion will get messy for you. Your identity, what argument can you come up with, that is what is going to be the issue between God and you. No religion on the face of this earth will be able to get you out of the messy spot you are in.

[bluehillside Retd.]

new algorithm,

You still having your identity in Adam, Adam in rebellion will get messy for you. Your identity, what argument can you come up with, that is what is going to be the issue between God and you. No religion on the face of this earth will be able to get you out of the messy spot you are in.

Oh-oh - looks like the random word generator has got stuck in an endless loop. Could someone try switching it off and on again perhaps - maybe it could be jolted finally into making an argument that'll get it out of it's not even wrong quandary.

[newnature]

new algorithm,

Oh-oh - looks like the random word generator has got stuck in an endless loop. Could someone try switching it off and on again perhaps - maybe it could be jolted finally into making an argument that'll get it out of it's not even wrong quandary.

Here is a scary group of people you are going to face, these people are for real. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKnF1HEUwuo  These people going to have fun with you. Wrong identity, bad move on your part. 

[newnature]

Yeeeeesss. Except that the change of which you speak is not happening to the stars at all, it's happening to the Earth's axis.

I thought that myself, but a slow sift of the earth's axis would have been recorded.

[newnature]

new nature,

Further avoidance noted. So you don't have an argument for this "God" that isn't circular - I assumed as much, but thought it only fair to allow you hang yourself.

It must be awful for you - you've invested all this time in a mad iron-age ontology, only to find that you have no way to demonstrate the central pillar that's supposed to hold it up.
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You have my sympathy - if ever though you do feel like attempting an actual argument for this "God" that isn't logically hopeless, I'll read it with interest. Probably best not to hold my breath though...

The message about what is going on during this age of grace anticipated that you would jump to defend yourself. You have your identity in Adam, Adam in rebellion, bad move. The only issue between this so called God and you is why you still have that identity. God is doing something different today in this age of grace.
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I've underlined the bit I don't understand New, what exactly do you mean?

You've used some kind of terminology that I'm not familiar with?

ippy

I'm using Paul's reasonings.

[Stranger]

I'm using Paul's reasonings.

Hint: he wasn't very good at it.

[bluehillside Retd.]

new algorithm,

Here is a scary group of people you are going to face, these people are for real. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKnF1HEUwuo  These people going to have fun with you. Wrong identity, bad move on your part.

So when asked for an honest-to-goodness argument for the central pillar of your belief you respond instead with empty threats.

What does that say about you do you think?

[bluehillside Retd.]

new algorithm,

I'm using Paul's reasonings.

Did he rely on empty assertion instead of coherent argument too then?

You wrongly privilege your efforts with the term "reasonings" by the way. To be reasoned something has to be logically consistent - you on the other hand dispense with the reason bit entirely and go straight for the assertion, much as I would for my claims about Colin the Leprechaun.

How does, "it's true because I say it's true" help you do you think?

[newnature]

new algorithm,

So when asked for an honest-to-goodness argument for the central pillar of your belief you respond instead with empty threats.

What does that say about you do you think?

No threats, you get a front row seat when the 1st seal get pulled. Just the facts, Wrong Identity.

[newnature]

new algorithm,

Did he rely on empty assertion instead of coherent argument too then?

You wrongly privilege your efforts with the term "reasonings" by the way. To be reasoned something has to be logically consistent - you on the other hand dispense with the reason bit entirely and go straight for the assertion, much as I would for my claims about Colin the Leprechaun.

How does, "it's true because I say it's true" help you do you think?

No way around Paul. Wrong Identity, you are in a bad spot, you don't have the words to get yourself out of the mess you are in.

[newnature]

Hint: he wasn't very good at it.

Bottom line with Paul, identity. Which Adam does one have their identity in.

[bluehillside Retd.]

new algorithm,

No threats, you get a front row seat when the 1st seal get pulled. Just the facts, Wrong Identity.

And if you diss Colin he'll spit in your eye and make your camel lame - or possibly the other way around.

Any suggestion as to why I should take your daft threat any more seriously than you should take mine?

[bluehillside Retd.]

new nature,

No way around Paul. Wrong Identity, you are in a bad spot, you don't have the words to get yourself out of the mess you are in.

So you assert, albeit logically incoherently. Do you not think that you should trouble to get out of the mess you're in of being not even wrong before just pretending that your interlocutor has the problem?

Really?

Look, you clearly have nothing of interest or even clarity to say so I'll leave you to your utter barminess. By all means though if ever you do feel the need to try to argue your way out of your grief I'll be happy to lend you a hand. I warn you though - unravelling the towering edifice of piffle on which your beliefs rest could be painful for you.

[newnature]

new algorithm,

And if you diss Colin he'll spit in your eye and make your camel lame - or possibly the other way around.

Any suggestion as to why I should take your daft threat any more seriously than you should take mine?

Wrong Identity, just showing the facts about that group of people you are about to face.

[newnature]

new nature,

So you assert, albeit logically incoherently. Do you not think that you should trouble to get out of the mess you're in of being not even wrong before just pretending that your interlocutor has the problem?

Really?

Look, you clearly have nothing of interest or even clarity to say so I'll leave you to your utter barminess. By all means though if ever you do feel the need to try to argue your way out of your grief I'll be happy to lend you a hand. I warn you though - unravelling the towering edifice of piffle on which your beliefs rest could be painful for you.

You are a product of after the fall. Just the facts.

[Ricky Spanish]

Mods - ban the twat.

You've dished out bannings for less!!