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Re: After The Fall
« Reply #300 on: April 24, 2016, 05:34:10 PM »
Could you point to relevant paper in which this is reported along with the methods used, so that we can see what experiments have been conducted?

Ta

PS: very tiny is quite a vague phrase in science, could you give us a typical geometry and the relevant average dimensions in nm please?

They are not cells and do not contain DNA or any kind of genetic material. But they seem to carry information. After death, all somatids present in the blood at that time will process to their macrocycle bringing the body into its basic elements (dust). The greenish mycelium on the surface of the dead body is the somatids in action. The decaying process of the body is caused by the polymorphism of somatids.
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Re: After The Fall
« Reply #301 on: April 24, 2016, 05:35:22 PM »
They can only be viewed in live blood, not dead or stained blood, which is the normal route for studying blood.

How do you know that they can survive up to 1000C then? Blood boils at ~100 C (slightly higher than water because of the presence of salts) but it would certainly not be "live" blood at temperatures above this.

So how can you know they can survive 1000C?

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Re: After The Fall
« Reply #302 on: April 24, 2016, 05:36:37 PM »
They are not cells and do not contain DNA or any kind of genetic material. But they seem to carry information. After death, all somatids present in the blood at that time will process to their macrocycle bringing the body into its basic elements (dust). The greenish mycelium on the surface of the dead body is the somatids in action. The decaying process of the body is caused by the polymorphism of somatids.

All very well, but can you answer the question I actually asked?

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Re: After The Fall
« Reply #303 on: April 24, 2016, 05:37:01 PM »
They are not cells and do not contain DNA or any kind of genetic material. But they seem to carry information. After death, all somatids present in the blood at that time will process to their macrocycle bringing the body into its basic elements (dust). The greenish mycelium on the surface of the dead body is the somatids in action. The decaying process of the body is caused by the polymorphism of somatids.


Sounds like you've been reading too much H.P. Lovecraft.

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Re: After The Fall
« Reply #304 on: April 24, 2016, 05:49:30 PM »

Sounds like you've been reading too much H.P. Lovecraft.

"That which is not dead but my eternal lie,
and yet with strange aeons even death may die..""

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Re: After The Fall
« Reply #305 on: April 24, 2016, 05:59:40 PM »
How do you know that they can survive up to 1000C then? Blood boils at ~100 C (slightly higher than water because of the presence of salts) but it would certainly not be "live" blood at temperatures above this.

So how can you know they can survive 1000C?

The Somatoscope does not attempt to illuminate the specimen by passion light through two small objects. Instead, the illumination source is actually stimulation the specimen to the point it generates its own light. The light itself expands as it moves outward and because the specimen itself is generating the light, the physical restrictions encountered by regular optical microscopes do not apply.

Somatids in dormant form are extremely hard Apatite crystal. These is where it can be done. 
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Re: After The Fall
« Reply #306 on: April 24, 2016, 06:25:22 PM »
The Somatoscope does not attempt to illuminate the specimen by passion light through two small objects. Instead, the illumination source is actually stimulation the specimen to the point it generates its own light. The light itself expands as it moves outward and because the specimen itself is generating the light, the physical restrictions encountered by regular optical microscopes do not apply.

Somatids in dormant form are extremely hard Apatite crystal. These is where it can be done.

I beg your pardon? Ignoring the lack of comprehensibility of this, what has microscopy got to do with this?

You have said two contradictory thing?

1) That they can only be observed in live blood.

2) They can survive temperatures of 1000C.

As blood cannot survive/exist at 1000C  how can you know they exist at this temperature?

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« Reply #307 on: April 24, 2016, 06:35:35 PM »

Sounds like you've been reading too much H.P. Lovecraft.

Haven't ran across this dude yet.
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Re: After The Fall
« Reply #308 on: April 24, 2016, 06:51:21 PM »
Haven't ran across this dude yet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_After_Death#Cover_art

Would recommend Aces high, Phantom of the opera(Lucozade advert for the 80s)  and Die with your boots on.

Now, what about the explanation for the contradictory claims that you have made?

It's not a question of you wanting some weird shit to be true then found a website with some weird shit on it, and decided that therefore, this weird shit is true. It couldn't be that could it?

It's not as if the simplest of questions have shown you to hold contradictory views is it.
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Re: After The Fall
« Reply #309 on: April 24, 2016, 07:01:13 PM »
I beg your pardon? Ignoring the lack of comprehensibility of this, what has microscopy got to do with this?

You have said two contradictory thing?

1) That they can only be observed in live blood.

2) They can survive temperatures of 1000C.

As blood cannot survive/exist at 1000C  how can you know they exist at this temperature?

Gaston Naessen, he found that the Somatids are indestructible.
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Re: After The Fall
« Reply #310 on: April 24, 2016, 07:02:11 PM »
Gaston Naessen, he found that the Somatids are indestructible.

What about explaining the contradictory statements that you have made?

How could he know that something that can only live/ be observed in living blood be observed at 1000C. Blood does not exists in any meaningful form at 1000c.

Could it be that either you have misquoted him or that he didn't know his arse from his elbow.
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Re: After The Fall
« Reply #311 on: April 24, 2016, 07:04:45 PM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_After_Death#Cover_art

Would recommend Aces high, Phantom of the opera(Lucozade advert for the 80s)  and Die with your boots on.

Now, what about the explanation for the contradictory claims that you have made?

It's not a question of you wanting some weird shit to be true then found a website with some weird shit on it, and decided that therefore, this weird shit is true. It couldn't be that could it?

It's not as if the simplest of questions have shown you to hold contradictory views is it.

Don't want to read anything about live after death.
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Re: After The Fall
« Reply #312 on: April 24, 2016, 07:09:41 PM »
Don't want to read anything about live after death.
what about your contradictory claims?

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Re: After The Fall
« Reply #313 on: April 24, 2016, 07:12:14 PM »
What about explaining the contradictory statements that you have made?

Somatids in "dormant form," they are a very tiny, extremely hard Apatite crystal that it is very difficult to cut with a diamond knife. They are resistant to all acids, and withstand extremely high carbonizing temperatures and extreme levels of radiation.
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Re: After The Fall
« Reply #314 on: April 24, 2016, 07:15:23 PM »
what about your contradictory claims?

Death as we know it, would indeed be the end of our existence were it not for the fact of the resurrection. It is the resurrection that turns death into a temporary sleep, so to speak. The second death differs from the first death, not in nature, but in results. 


The first death is a temporary sleep, because it is followed the the resurrection. The second death is permeant and irreversible extinction, because there is no awakening. The second death is the death resulting from the final judgment which prevents evildoers from living in the new earth to come, a punishment that ultimately results in eternal, irreversible death. 


The stern punishment awaiting the enemies of righteousness, whose temporary resurrection results only in a return to death and its punishment, their full and final defeat. The wicked will be resurrected mortal in order to receive their punishment which will result in their ultimate annihilation. 


In the Old Testament, the word “sheol” is the underground depository of the dead. There are no immaterial, immortal souls in sheol, simply because the soul does not survive the death of the body. Nowhere in the Old Testament is the abode of the dead regarded as a place of punishment or torment.
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Re: After The Fall
« Reply #315 on: April 24, 2016, 07:39:28 PM »
what about your contradictory claims?

Skeptics are always seeking “proof.” But if a disease like cancer is indeed caused by Somatids bacteria, it would indicate physicians have been unable to see what was quite plain for some nineteenth and twentieth century scientists to observe using simple light microscopy.
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Re: After The Fall
« Reply #316 on: April 24, 2016, 08:30:54 PM »
"That which is not dead but my eternal lie,
and yet with strange aeons even death may die..""

It's that long ago I'd even forgot I used to listen to Iron Maiden.

All I need now is a can of Special Brew.

Run for the hills, the germs are a coming! A violent controversy took place in France between the illustrious Louis Pasteur and Antoine Bechamp, a noted professor of physics, toxicology, medical chemistry, and biochemistry. Bechamp’s work led him to discover ‘microzymas’ (tiny ferments) which were characterized by a host of small bodies in his fermenting solutions. Bechamp came to the conclusion that these microzymas were more basic to life than cells. This caused Bechamp to champion the idea that the cause for disease lay within the body. Pasteur’s germ theory held that the cause came from without. Pasteur’s outspokenness helped the germ theory win out and dominate medical philosophy for the past century.
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Re: After The Fall
« Reply #317 on: April 24, 2016, 08:43:10 PM »
There ya go Ipster - now all we have to do is to wait for Google Translate to add a Gibbersh to English module and you'll be good to go.

Thanks for that Blue?  just for a moment there, I thought I was missing something important and it was only another one leading off about this god idea they, I don't know why they, just can't seem to get away from it.

Might be related to Mr Dynamism?

Distant cousin of Hope's?

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Re: After The Fall
« Reply #318 on: April 24, 2016, 09:28:53 PM »
Thanks for that Blue?  just for a moment there, I thought I was missing something important and it was only another one leading off about this god idea they, I don't know why they, just can't seem to get away from it.

Might be related to Mr Dynamism?

Distant cousin of Hope's?

ippy

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Re: After The Fall
« Reply #319 on: April 24, 2016, 09:51:57 PM »
Everyone knows the creator was Pangu. He emerged from the Cosmic Egg wherein the principles of Yin and Yang became balanced.

Pangu created the earth and sky such that they were joined together. However, Pangu then spent the next 18,000 years pushing earth and sky apart at a rate of ten feet per day.

The evidence for this is what we are told in the Sanwu Liji

Actually, it could have been Ymir who was born from poison and frost. Ymir who suckled the great cow Audumla.

From Audumla was born Buri, who fathered Borr, who fathered Odin, Vili and Ve. 

Borr's sons slew Ymir and created the earth from his body.

Ask and Embla were the first man and woman and they were created from an Ash tree and elm tree respectively.

The evidence for this is in the Eddas

Silly me.

In the beginning it was just darkness, Vishnu and a giant cobra in whose coils Vishnu slept.

When Vishnu awoke he created Brahma from a lotus and Brahma went on to create everything else.

Yes, that's it.

The evidence is in the Vedas

Hang on

In the beginning, creation was a giant cloud. The lighter parts became heaven and the heavier parts became ocean.

From the ocean a sprout grew and became a gigantic flower and when it opened, the first god appeared.

The first god created Izanagi and his wife Izanami. Together they thrust a jewel encrusted spear into the ocean and when they pulled it up, out popped the islands of Japan.

Izanagi and Izanami descended to Japan and used it for a base to create the rest of the world.

That must be true and there is evidence of this in the Kojiki

Wait a minute - here's another.

This time God created the world in six days.

He started with the day and night, then the sky, sea and earth, then the sun, moon and stars. 

Then the animals and then Adam the first man. Later on he created the first woman from Adam's rib.

The evidence for this is found in Genesis.


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Re: After The Fall
« Reply #320 on: April 24, 2016, 09:56:43 PM »
Everyone knows the creator was Pangu. He emerged from the Cosmic Egg wherein the principles of Yin and Yang became balanced.

Pangu created the earth and sky such that they were joined together. However, Pangu then spent the next 18,000 years pushing earth and sky apart at a rate of ten feet per day.

The evidence for this is what we are told in the Sanwu Liji

Actually, it could have been Ymir who was born from poison and frost. Ymir who suckled the great cow Audumla.

From Audumla was born Buri, who fathered Borr, who fathered Odin, Vili and Ve.

Borr's sons slew Ymir and created the earth from his body.

Ask and Embla were the first man and woman and they were created from an Ash tree and elm tree respectively.

The evidence for this is in the Eddas

Silly me.

In the beginning it was just darkness, Vishnu and a giant cobra in whose coils Vishnu slept.

When Vishnu awoke he created Brahma from a lotus and Brahma went on to create everything else.

Yes, that's it.

The evidence is in the Vedas

Hang on

In the beginning, creation was a giant cloud. The lighter parts became heaven and the heavier parts became ocean.

From the ocean a sprout grew and became a gigantic flower and when it opened, the first god appeared.

The first god created Izanagi and his wife Izanami. Together they thrust a jewel encrusted spear into the ocean and when they pulled it up, out popped the islands of Japan.

Izanagi and Izanami descended to Japan and used it for a base to create the rest of the world.

That must be true and there is evidence of this in the Kojiki

Wait a minute - here's another.

This time God created the world in six days.

He started with the day and night, then the sky, sea and earth, then the sun, moon and stars.

Then the animals and then Adam the first man. Later on he created the first woman from Adam's rib.

The evidence for this is found in Genesis.

I heard Japan's islands were created from some dudes sword. Somehow it dripped seven drops of water which created the islands. I thought I needed another puff.
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Re: After The Fall
« Reply #321 on: April 25, 2016, 07:08:20 AM »
Skeptics are always seeking “proof.” But if a disease like cancer is indeed caused by Somatids bacteria, it would indicate physicians have been unable to see what was quite plain for some nineteenth and twentieth century scientists to observe using simple light microscopy.

Not asking for proof, just asking how you can know that they can survive 1000C if they can only be observed in live blood. You can't have blood at 1000C so they can't have been observed under these conditions.

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Re: After The Fall
« Reply #322 on: April 25, 2016, 08:07:10 AM »
Not asking for proof, just asking how you can know that they can survive 1000C if they can only be observed in live blood. You can't have blood at 1000C so they can't have been observed under these conditions.

But in there dormant form, they are a very tiny, extremely hard Apatite crystal that it is very difficult to cut with a diamond knife. They are resistant to all acids, and withstand extremely high carbonizing temperatures and extreme levels of radiation. Only in there dormant form can the observe.
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Re: After The Fall
« Reply #323 on: April 25, 2016, 08:11:16 AM »
Somatids are tiny bodies that exist in the blood and fluids of all living things, plant and animal. They are part of an up to now, completely unidentified biological system in all living things. They can only be viewed in live blood, not dead or stained blood, which is the normal route for studying blood. They are always vibrating, and have an electronegative repulsion. Without Somatids cell division does not occur. You cannot live without them. There is something that belongs to God in you, better change that identity.
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Re: After The Fall
« Reply #324 on: April 25, 2016, 08:14:37 AM »
But in there dormant form, they are a very tiny, extremely hard Apatite crystal that it is very difficult to cut with a diamond knife. They are resistant to all acids, and withstand extremely high carbonizing temperatures and extreme levels of radiation. Only in there dormant form can the observe.

So are you saying that you can observe them when they are not in live blood?