After The Fall

[newnature]

So nothing tangible then?

The Israelites pray of faith, how could these Somatids play apart?

[newnature]

No you didn't and no I wasn't.

You didn't seem to grasp the fact that the stars don't really rotate around the pole star.

Not that this has anything to do with the loopy-fruitcake insanity that you can prove shit with figures of speech....

But for the figurative language of verses 14 and 15 no one would have thought of referring the third chapter of Genesis to a snake; no more than he does when reading the third chapter from the end of Revelation (ch. 20:2). Indeed, the explanation added there, that the “old serpent” is the Devil and Satan, would immediately lead one to connect the word “old” with the earlier and former mention of the serpent in Genesis chapter 3; and the fact that it was Satan himself who tempted “the second man”, “the last Adam”, would force the conclusion that no other than the personal Satan could have been the tempter of “the first man, Adam”.

[newnature]

It is a story of your own concoction - take bits of shit, add some more shit and bingo-bongo - Made up shit that makes sense in my shit for brains..

Israelite history says that the blood of the second Adam must fall on that Ark.

[Ricky Spanish]

In Genesis 1:2a, the two verbs ‘was’ should be the verb ‘to become’. The Revisers ill-advisedly decided that “all such words, now printed in italics, as are plainly implied in the Hebrew, and necessary in English, be printed in common type. One of the consequences of this decision is that the verb “to be” is not distinguished from the verb “to become”, so that the lessons conveyed are lost.

Yet more unsubstantiated bollocks...

A bit like me using Strongs to claim that the "serpent" in gen 3 was actually an angel - especially seeing as Nachash has a different meaning when used as a noun or a verb in the Hebrew. 5172 and 5175.

(I'll give you a clue. One can be translated as Whisperer/Hisser, the other as Shining/Devine.)

Put them together and what do you get?

[Stranger]

But for the figurative language of verses 14 and 15 no one would have thought of referring the third chapter of Genesis to a snake; no more than he does when reading the third chapter from the end of Revelation (ch. 20:2). Indeed, the explanation added there, that the “old serpent” is the Devil and Satan, would immediately lead one to connect the word “old” with the earlier and former mention of the serpent in Genesis chapter 3; and the fact that it was Satan himself who tempted “the second man”, “the last Adam”, would force the conclusion that no other than the personal Satan could have been the tempter of “the first man, Adam”.

What has that drivel got to do with the age of the Earth or your misunderstanding about the pole star...?

[Ricky Spanish]

Israelite history says that the blood of the second Adam must fall on that Ark.

Yeah but, you still took unrelated ideas and created your own bowl of shit in that post..

You just can't see it for whatever reason!!

[newnature]

Yet more unsubstantiated bollocks...

A bit like me using Strongs to claim that the "serpent" in gen 3 was actually an angel - especially seeing as Nachash has a different meaning when used as a noun or a verb in the Hebrew. 5172 and 5175.

(I'll give you a clue. One can be translated as Whisperer/Hisser, the other as Shining/Devine.)

Put them together and what do you get?

Noun - Soul and blood are identical.  Verb - The soul is the vitality and personality of human existence.

[Ricky Spanish]

Where have you wandered off to now?

Are you staring at the corner of the ceiling interpreting to noises you hear in your head?

[Ricky Spanish]

The Israelites pray of faith, how could these Somatids play apart?

The what now...  I'm sure Bob would disagree with you..

I'm guessing a lot of the kids at your school used to play "apart" from you, hence your bitterness now!!

[newnature]

What has that drivel got to do with the age of the Earth or your misunderstanding about the pole star...?

It may be asked, “How are we to know, then, when words are to be taken in their simple, original form (literally), and when they are to be taken is some other and peculiar form (as a figure)?” The answer is that, whenever and wherever it is possible, the words of Scripture are to be understood literally, but when a statement appears to be contrary to our experience, or to known fact, or revealed truth; or seems to be at variance with the general teaching of the Scriptures, then we may reasonably expect that some figure is employed. As as it is employed only to call our attention to some specially designed emphasis, we are at once bound to diligently examine the figure for the purpose of discovering and learning the truth that is thus emphasized.

[Ricky Spanish]

Awww OK, you still going on about the made up word: Somatids. You new age freak....

I'm guessing you also spend a lot of your time trying to hypnotise Chickens and Goats...

[Ricky Spanish]

Here's one for ya Nutter: There was no serpent/Devil in gen 3 - the one who got Eve sucked in was an Angel. One of the high council who disagreed with Yahweh and its shit, who overthrow it and has been ruling ever since..

Where is your God now?

[Stranger]

It may be asked, “How are we to know, then, when words are to be taken in their simple, original form (literally), and when they are to be taken is some other and peculiar form (as a figure)?” The answer is that, whenever and wherever it is possible, the words of Scripture are to be understood literally, but when a statement appears to be contrary to our experience, or to known fact, or revealed truth; or seems to be at variance with the general teaching of the Scriptures, then we may reasonably expect that some figure is employed. As as it is employed only to call our attention to some specially designed emphasis, we are at once bound to diligently examine the figure for the purpose of discovering and learning the truth that is thus emphasized.

Quite apart from you just asserting (without reasoning) what the "answer" is, you appear to have overlooked the obvious possibility that the scriptures of which you speak are nothing but a bunch of old and inconsistent myths.

[horsethorn]

I don't know any myth stories that use figures of speech.

You've obviously never read the Poetic Edda, then.

Oh, and the bible, of course.

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[Ricky Spanish]

<SNIP> I don't know any myth stories that use figures of speech.</SNIP>

Really - The Torah is the first book of myths that comes to mind...

[horsethorn]

In fact, thinking about it, I'm having trouble coming up with *any* myths that don't use figures of speech...

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[Ricky Spanish]

About this lucifers flood. WTF can I find this again? Apart from in your fetid imagination!

[ippy]

Religion would say you have the measles, but not God; it is a son issue today.

Thanks for that NN, any chance of a clarification of the original post I was asking you about?

ippy

[bluehillside Retd.]

Can anyone work out whether new is an intelligent person deliberately posting gibberish as a wind up, or someone genuinely away with the fairies?

Either way, it's all a bit dull for me so I'll leave it to others to engage with him or not as they wish.

[Ricky Spanish]

Any chance of making more sense than the sass is what you should be asking Ip man...

[BeRational]

Can anyone work out whether new is an intelligent person deliberately posting gibberish as a wind up, or someone genuinely away with the fairies?

Either way, it's all a bit dull for me so I'll leave it to others to engage with him or not as they wish.

He's bonkers, but when I pointed that out it was not allowed.

I would not bother responding to any post as it is just gibberish.

[newnature]

You've obviously never read the Poetic Edda, then.

Oh, and the bible, of course.

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Othin, chief of the gods, always conscious of impending disaster and eager for knowledge, calls on a certain “Volva,” or wise-woman, presumably bidding her rise from the grave. Interesting, what is the beginning of this grave Volva came out of?

[Ricky Spanish]

"Othin".. another misheard bit of gibberish that swills about in that shit-pan you call a brain..

[Ricky Spanish]

.. but only protestants would call Odin "othin".. or idiots.. I'm gonna go with idiots..

What are you views on Soccer v's Football?

[newnature]

Thanks for that NN, any chance of a clarification of the original post I was asking you about?

ippy

It is a judicial transaction that takes place in God’s mind the moment you believe, God is the Sanctifier, not the person, in this case. Our justification, our righteous standing before God is accomplished through our being set-apart, justification is accomplished through sanctification. God’s act of sanctification is a part of that gift transaction connected with justification. Something was true (works), but now something else is true (reconciliation). Does reconciliation mean the whole world is saved? No.