Original sin.

[Spud]

Having read it again, I was struck by the dreadful, over the top, unjust punishment meted out. Thank goodness we humans are not so vindictive.

Well either we died or we lived for ever with the sinful nature. 

[Sriram]

Can some Christian please tell me what "original sin" is currently taken to mean?

Spiritually....uniting forces are considered 'Good' and separating forces are considered 'bad'.  In that sense...gravity is good and Dark Energy is bad. Light is good and darkness is bad.

Original Sin probably refers to the initial forces that separated the individual souls from the Universal Soul. After this 'original sin', we are now in the process of uniting back with the Universal Soul which is what the development process is all about.  This is why a universal vision is considered as 'good' and an ego centric view is considered as 'bad'.  An integrating, uniting view is considered as good and a separating, discriminating view is considered as bad. 

[bluehillside Retd.]

Spud,

Well either we died or we lived for ever with the sinful nature. 

Or there's not a word of truth in any of it. Hmmm...

[Leonard James]

Spiritually....uniting forces are considered 'Good' and separating forces are considered 'bad'.  In that sense...gravity is good and Dark Energy is bad. Light is good and darkness is bad.

Original Sin probably refers to the initial forces that separated the individual souls from the Universal Soul. After this 'original sin', we are now in the process of uniting back with the Universal Soul which is what the development process is all about.  This is why a universal vision is considered as 'good' and an ego centric view is considered as 'bad'.  An integrating, uniting view is considered as good and a separating, discriminating view is considered as bad.

Universal and individual souls? What does that mean?

[Owlswing]

I thought that "original sin" referred to a doctrine that all babies born were considered to have sin in them at birth, or they were born sinners. Thus "original"

[Leonard James]

I thought that "original sin" referred to a doctrine that all babies born were considered to have sin in them at birth, or they were born sinners. Thus "original"

I think that is what I was taught when young, but I can't really remember clearly. Hence my question.

[newnature]

I thought that "original sin" referred to a doctrine that all babies born were considered to have sin in them at birth, or they were born sinners. Thus "original"

Well said. That is what religion teaches. That is how religion hook people into their religions. Religion has a way of taking care of that original sin, hogwash. Ministers of righteousness have a hay-day with that original sin.

[Sriram]

Universal and individual souls? What does that mean?

In Spirituality (I am not talking from a purely Christian perspective), there is said to be a Universal Spirit which forms the substratum of the world. It is perhaps equal to the Common Consciousness of Jung.

Individual spirits (all of us) are believed to have separated from the Universal Spirit like water evaporates from the ocean. We are now in the process of rejoining the Universal Spirit like rivers flowing back into the ocean.

This belief is the foundation of all spirituality.

The initial separation is called the Fall or the Original Sin. The forces that caused the separation are considered as 'evil' and the forces making us rejoin the Universal spirit are considered as 'good'. 

Since every person born in the world is born only because he is separated from the Universal Spirit (otherwise he wouldn't be born here) it is said that every baby  is born with the Original Sin. 

[Leonard James]

In Spirituality (I am not talking from a purely Christian perspective), there is said to be a Universal Spirit which forms the substratum of the world. It is perhaps equal to the Common Consciousness of Jung.

Individual spirits (all of us) are believed to have separated from the Universal Spirit like water evaporates from the ocean. We are now in the process of rejoining the Universal Spirit like rivers flowing back into the ocean.

This belief is the foundation of all spirituality.

The initial separation is called the Fall or the Original Sin. The forces that caused the separation are considered as 'evil' and the forces making us rejoin the Universal spirit are considered as 'good'. 

Since every person born in the world is born only because he is separated from the Universal Spirit (otherwise he wouldn't be born here) it is said that every baby  is born with the Original Sin.

Good grief! Who dreamed up all this stuff?

[newnature]

In Spirituality (I am not talking from a purely Christian perspective), there is said to be a Universal Spirit which forms the substratum of the world. It is perhaps equal to the Common Consciousness of Jung.

Individual spirits (all of us) are believed to have separated from the Universal Spirit like water evaporates from the ocean. We are now in the process of rejoining the Universal Spirit like rivers flowing back into the ocean.

This belief is the foundation of all spirituality.

The initial separation is called the Fall or the Original Sin. The forces that caused the separation are considered as 'evil' and the forces making us rejoin the Universal spirit are considered as 'good'. 

Since every person born in the world is born only because he is separated from the Universal Spirit (otherwise he wouldn't be born here) it is said that every baby  is born with the Original Sin.

That spirit teaching is funny stuff. See how the universal spirit wants to keep the original sin an issue. Shall we put water on us so the universal spirit doesn't get us.

[Owlswing]

Well said. That is what religion teaches. That is how religion hook people into their religions. Religion has a way of taking care of that original sin, hogwash. Ministers of righteousness have a hay-day with that original sin.

NN

Will you please decide which horse you are riding.

Your sudden change of direction is reminiscent of the Super Troll.

[newnature]

NN

Will you please decide which horse you are riding.

Your sudden change of direction is reminiscent of the Super Troll.

I'm sealed into the body of Christ. I never change direction, religion is man made junk.

[Alan Burns]

Hi Len,

My take on original sin.

Mankind as a species suffered a fall in the eyes of God, caused by the temptation of the fallen angel Lucifer, now known as Satan.  A consequence of this fall is that we are very much under the power of Satan.  God has provided an escape from Satan's power through our redeemer and saviour Jesus Christ.

So we need to recognise that original sin makes us vulnerable to Satan's power, and to realise that we have Jesus as our Saviour.

[newnature]

Hi Len,

My take on original sin.

Mankind as a species suffered a fall in the eyes of God, caused by the temptation of the fallen angel Lucifer, now known as Satan.  A consequence of this fall is that we are very much under the power of Satan.  God has provided an escape from Satan's power through our redeemer and saviour Jesus Christ.

So we need to recognise that original sin makes us vulnerable to Satan's power, and to realise that we have Jesus as our Saviour.

Everybody believes or supposed to believe in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, that is not the message that saves. It is understanding the meaning of that message that saves today.

[Leonard James]

Hi Len,

My take on original sin.

Mankind as a species suffered a fall in the eyes of God, caused by the temptation of the fallen angel Lucifer, now known as Satan.  A consequence of this fall is that we are very much under the power of Satan.  God has provided an escape from Satan's power through our redeemer and saviour Jesus Christ.

So we need to recognise that original sin makes us vulnerable to Satan's power, and to realise that we have Jesus as our Saviour.

Well my post #20 is my opinion of that take on it.

To punish the whole of humanity for a 'sin' they didn't commit is the most unjust thing I've ever heard.

[newnature]

Well my post #20 is my opinion of that take on it.

To punish the whole of humanity for a 'sin' they didn't commit is the most unjust thing I've ever heard.

Look at the values you have. From your youth you were molded so to speak about moral choices of good and bad. You might have fought in WW2, what can someone say to that. Your values are you, and to add the King or Queen of England into the mix. No, you have your values, but along comes religion. Religion whats to question your values, was religion with you during WW2 or was something else.

[Owlswing]

Look at the values you have. From your youth you were molded so to speak about moral choices of good and bad. You might have fought in WW2, what can someone say to that. Your values are you, and to add the King or Queen of England into the mix. No, you have your values, but along comes religion. Religion whats to question your values, was religion with you during WW2 or was something else.

Hmm! Religion to soldiers in WW2. My take on that is the same as the late great Spike Milligan who stated that the closest any soldier came to religion was when he screamed JEEEESUS FUUUUUUUUUUUKING CHRIIIIST when he dropped a 25 pounder shell on his toes.

[newnature]

Hmm! Religion to soldiers in WW2. My take on that is the same as the late great Spike Milligan who stated that the closest any soldier came to religion was when he screamed JEEEESUS FUUUUUUUUUUUKING CHRIIIIST when he dropped a 25 pounder shell on his toes.

You missed my point. I'm sure OP can tell some stories. Original Sin is a religion scam.

[2Corrie]

For as in Adam all died so in Christ all shall live.

Original sin? Reminds me of a Eurythmics song.

It's almost a moot point since we have plenty sins of our own.

[newnature]

For as in Adam all died so in Christ all shall live.

Original sin? Reminds me of a Eurythmics song.

It's almost a moot point since we have plenty sins of our own.

God did for this age, what the human race could never do on their own. Reconciliation, but does that mean the whole world is save? No!

[Alan Burns]

Well my post #20 is my opinion of that take on it.

To punish the whole of humanity for a 'sin' they didn't commit is the most unjust thing I've ever heard.

But Jesus came to save us, not to punish us.

[newnature]

But Jesus came to save us, not to punish us.

Jesus gave himself a ransom for MANY. Who are the “many” spoken of? Israel!

But a ransom for ALL was not testified until Paul proclaimed it, the revelation of the secret, which was kept secret since the world began.

[2Corrie]

God did for this age, what the human race could never do on their own. Reconciliation, but does that mean the whole world is save? No!

 not a Universalist btw just quoting Paul

[newnature]

not a Universalist btw just quoting Paul

None of that Universalist junk. You are quoting Paul correct.

[Leonard James]

But Jesus came to save us, not to punish us.

Which clearly would have been unnecessary if "God" hadn't been so spiteful and unjust to begin with! How do you reconcile that?