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The Accountant, OBE, KC

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Re: The Islamic State love.
« Reply #50 on: May 02, 2016, 08:26:37 AM »
Education and health service should be equally available and free in both countries, and the citizens of each country taxed to ensure that it is so. If one country has the advantage of better natural resources to create wealth than the other, it should share accordingly.
Who decides if the formula used for all this sharing is fair?
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Re: The Islamic State love.
« Reply #51 on: May 02, 2016, 10:14:20 AM »
I cannot see how equality will be achieved, Len, as one country may have more natural problems and disasters than the other, such as floods, droughts, resulting in famine, etc.  A country with reasonably stable weather conditions, good water supply etc, will be better off and can afford to help others but there will never be sufficient to make them equal.  I agree both should have a free health care and education, that is an ideal but it is up to the population of the country concerned to vote for those who are prepared to implement such services.  As we know, even the USA doesn't have free health care.

We have to work towards eradicating poverty but I doubt it will ever be achieved.  However, bettering the lives of other people as much as possible is something we can do.

Can we trust those in government to distribute wealth in a fair and just manner? 
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Re: The Islamic State love.
« Reply #52 on: May 02, 2016, 07:16:17 PM »
Who decides if the formula used for all this sharing is fair?

A committee that check the standard of living in each country.

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Re: The Islamic State love.
« Reply #53 on: May 02, 2016, 07:19:54 PM »
I cannot see how equality will be achieved, Len, as one country may have more natural problems and disasters than the other, such as floods, droughts, resulting in famine, etc.  A country with reasonably stable weather conditions, good water supply etc, will be better off and can afford to help others but there will never be sufficient to make them equal.  I agree both should have a free health care and education, that is an ideal but it is up to the population of the country concerned to vote for those who are prepared to implement such services.  As we know, even the USA doesn't have free health care.

We have to work towards eradicating poverty but I doubt it will ever be achieved.  However, bettering the lives of other people as much as possible is something we can do.


The very fact that we can see these problems is enough to make us think how to solve them.

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Can we trust those in government to distribute wealth in a fair and just manner?

No! An international supervising body would have to do that.

I know this all sounds idealistic and unattainable, but that mustn't stop us working to try to bring it about.

The Accountant, OBE, KC

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Re: The Islamic State love.
« Reply #54 on: May 03, 2016, 11:47:07 AM »
You mean an international supervising body like the UN - where all the diverse nations come together and negotiate and argue about stuff and there are lots of things they don't reach agreement on because they are so diverse?

Or decisions either get vetoed by one or two powerful countries because it could pose a risk to their strategic interests;

Or there is no way of enforcing agreed recommendations because sanctions, wile the less costly option, hurt the civilian population - and not just the civilians in the country under sanction but UK civilians as well because it leads to resentment and violent conflict and terrorism;

Or enforcing rulings through military action hurts the civilian population (and not just the civilians in other countries but UK civilians as well) which leads to resentment and violent conflict and terrorism plus countries don't like seeing their soldiers getting killed or injured on UN missions or the huge cost of military action.

Or are you thinking more along the lines of something similar to a world theocracy, except instead of the governing body implementing the will of God by indoctrinating children throughout the world, you have the governing body implementing the will of the Governing Body by indoctrinating children with The Moral Code.
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Re: The Islamic State love.
« Reply #55 on: May 03, 2016, 07:03:53 PM »
Hi Gabriela,

I see no point in continuing this exchange, because obviously you are just going to find all the negative points.

I shall continue to think positively and  strive towards justice and equality for everybody.

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Re: The Islamic State love.
« Reply #56 on: May 03, 2016, 09:09:07 PM »
Don't religions 'indoctrinate children' around the world???

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Re: The Islamic State love.
« Reply #57 on: May 03, 2016, 09:32:20 PM »
I mentioned religious indoctrination in my response to Len. To some extent everyone indoctrinates their children with values - religion doesn't even need to come into it.

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Re: The Islamic State love.
« Reply #58 on: May 03, 2016, 09:49:16 PM »
Agreed !!!