#regressive left

[JP]

A topic for discussion on Twitter. #regressive left

Empowered by the election of Corbyn, who I would wager is not unsympathetic to many of the views expressed, however he is between the proverbial rock and a hard place probably agreeing with some of those views which are are amongst other things, pretty nasty or paranoid, or both, but also needing to remain popular and middle of the road to the general populace if he ever has any chance of election.
Not that I believe he has a chance but heyho.

The recent election for the position of president of the NUS, won by a person whose campaigns have included Why Is My Curriculum White, opposes the government's Prevent counter-extremism strategy and is co-author of a blog for a Friends of Palestine campaign group which claimed that "the University of Birmingham is something of a Zionist outpost in British Higher Education".

Here's me thinking the position was one for a person who would represent students.

Add to this the events of the last few days regarding the labour MP for Bradford West who seems more concerned about Israel than representing her constituents, hmmm, but on second thoughts, perhaps she is representing them.

As for the ecomomy, if the regressive left ever made it to No 10 we would be the next Venezuela, a socialist paradise.

[Shaker]

It may be just me but things like "I would wager" and "probably" never inspire much confidence in the evidential rigour of an argument.

[L.A.]

It's the resurgence of the Loony Left - just what the Right have been praying for - for years.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

The NUS has been dominated by bell end politics for decades.

More importantly, the influx of RSL/Militant Tendency/ Socialist Party types into the Labour Party is cause for grave concern. Neil Kinnock to his great credit managed to expel their leaders and disempower their supporters (if you want to know what they were like just ask Frank Field MP), and in doing so made Labour electable. Corbyn iMHO has just made Labour unelectable again, because under our voting system (which Labour fought so hard to maintain), hundreds of Dave Sparts in Inner City City seats pile up wasted votes, it's  the sixty or so marginals who determine who wins (and now that the Lib Dems are gone, the Tories are changing the boundaries to suit themselves).

As for yet another silly kid getting involved in "jokes" that backfire, it's fair to say that nobody ever seems to learn from other peoples mistakes.

[JP]

It may be just me but things like "I would wager" and "probably" never inspire much confidence in the evidential rigour of an argument.

It's an opinion as much as an argument. It is certainly not intended to be the result of an academic paper up for peer review.

[Shaker]

Socialists in a socialist party?

Whatever next

[Shaker]

It's an opinion as much as an argument.

In which case I can invoke Hitchens's First Law (or Hitchens's Razor) and leave it at that.

[JP]

Socialists with ideological inconsistency. Liberals (socialists) who typically speak out against illiberal ideas such as misogyny, homophobia, blasphemy laws and so on suddenly prostitute themselves as they realise votes can be gained by ignoring these liberal poilices at will.

No debate from these people, as safe spaces mean thay can simply no platform anyone who does not fit their regressive agenda and when protesting they are deemed to be "activists", while anyone who disagrees with their warped thinking are extreme right wing.

[JP]

In which case I can invoke Hitchens's First Law (or Hitchens's Razor) and leave it at that.

Okay, so we won't be seeing any further contributions to this thread then.

[Shaker]

Okay, so we won't be seeing any further contributions to this thread then.

Not to bare assertion (even if fobbed off as 'opinion,' as though that counts for anything) masquerading as fact, no. We have the Christian Topic for that; I'd hoped P&CA would be better.

[L.A.]

Not to bare assertion (even if fobbed off as 'opinion,' as though that counts for anything) masquerading as fact, no. We have the Christian Topic for that; I'd hoped P&CA would be better.

The 'Far Left' the 'Regressive Left' or the 'Loony Left' (which ever title you prefer) only preach to their own people. They have nothing to say that would attract the vast majority of voters in this country. Therefore: they are easily portrayed as an isolated fringe group, a perfect target for the tabloids, but because they have gained a strangle-hold on the Labour Party, they destroy the party's credibility - hence, the Tories love them.

[JP]

Not to bare assertion (even if fobbed off as 'opinion,' as though that counts for anything) masquerading as fact, no. We have the Christian Topic for that; I'd hoped P&CA would be better.

Why does it interest you so much that you choose to keep responding. The NUS and Bradford MP are factual stories, the rest is my opinion.

[JP]

The 'Far Left' the 'Regressive Left' or the 'Loony Left' (which ever title you prefer) only preach to their own people. They have nothing to say that would attract the vast majority of voters in this country. Therefore: they are easily portrayed as an isolated fringe group, a perfect target for the tabloids, but because they have gained a strangle-hold on the Labour Party, they destroy the party's credibility - hence, the Tories love them.

The bolded bit, I like it, nice way of putting it.

I see Ken has been suspended. They are falling by way of the same McCarthy'esqe political correcteness they forced onto the general populace. A sort of shot themseles in the foot, most amusing.

[Rhiannon]

And in the meantime the loony right are running the show.

So hilarious my sides are splitting.

[L.A.]

And in the meantime the loony right are running the show.

So hilarious my sides are splitting.

We live in 'interesting' times.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

The NUS has been dominated by bell end politics for decades.

More importantly, the influx of RSL/Militant Tendency/ Socialist Party types into the Labour Party is cause for grave concern. Neil Kinnock to his great credit managed to expel their leaders and disempower their supporters (if you want to know what they were like just ask Frank Field MP), and in doing so made Labour electable. Corbyn iMHO has just made Labour unelectable again, because under our voting system (which Labour fought so hard to maintain), hundreds of Dave Sparts in Inner City City seats pile up wasted votes, it's  the sixty or so marginals who determine who wins (and now that the Lib Dems are gone, the Tories are changing the boundaries to suit themselves).

As for yet another silly kid getting involved in "jokes" that backfire, it's fair to say that nobody ever seems to learn from other peoples mistakes.

For a moment I thought that the great British pubic had seen through the Conservatives. I didn't realise until looking at the polls the urge to stick with a decision made in 2015 no matter what, would out weigh any bunching . It looks as though the gbp is once again back on for letting th Conservatives have their 3 goes in government. By 2025 you won't find anyone who will admit to voting for Cameron.

[L.A.]

For a moment I thought that the great British pubic had seen through the Conservatives. I didn't realise until looking at the polls the urge to stick with a decision made in 2015 no matter what, would out weigh any bunching . It looks as though the gbp is once again back on for letting the Conservatives have their 3 goes in government. By 2025 you won't find anyone who will admit to voting for Cameron.

You haven't considered the possibility that it's because all the others are worse? . . . just take a closer look at the alternatives.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

You haven't considered the possibility that it's because all the others are worse? . . . just take a closer look at the alternatives.

Yes I must admit ,things worse under labour is a stage between voting labour out and voting the conservatives out. However if we have reached this phase already in the cycle then we are closer to the latter........having moved from phase two........keeping labour out.

[L.A.]

Yes I must admit ,things worse under labour is a stage between voting labour out and voting the conservatives out. However if we have reached this phase already in the cycle then we are closer to the latter........having moved from phase two........keeping labour out.

However things seem now, just forget it. Switch off for a couple of months and everything with have changed 

[Walt Zingmatilder]

However things seem now, just forget it. Switch off for a couple of months and everything with have changed 

Ah yes there is of course the change of leader gambit.Brexit means Tory party number two

[JP]

I'm going to keep popping up on this one as and when I find something which I consider ridiculous. Mind you, there is plenty to choose from out there but this I found was particularly so.

The new buzz thing from the regressives is all about cultural appropriation - the adoption of elements of one culture by members of another culture, specifically I might add, as I suspect the reverse either cannot be true or is not worthy of mention, the adoption of the minority culture by the majority. Apparantly these can include but are not restricted to, hairstyles, music, fancy dress, food etc etc and so on and so forth, and the key to this is that is that none of these are a celebration of or a sharing of that culture in our mutually diverse and inclusive multi cultural society, but they are actually the power dynamic by which the majority oppresses the minority.

Ergo it is colonial oppresssion.

The latest victim is Queens college at Cambridge who had to cancel an African themed event, but more to follow?

http://tinyurl.com/gsm5gpj

[Jack Knave]

I agree that Labour is unelectable but the real question is what are the PLP going to do about it?

Corbyn will, with time, take more and more power to his cause leaving the moderate lot to be on the fringes, and so create the illusion that the party isn't split - so the mods need to act sooner than later? If he bombs in 2020 I can't see how the ones who voted him in will not ensure is continuous. So what do the rest, the centre left lot, do?

Labour seem doomed to be dragged down into the political gutter before they have any chance of rising again. And that could mean many years or government terms......?

[Shaker]

Corbyn will, with time, take more and more power to his cause leaving the moderate lot to the fringes

Yay!

Exactly where the pale blue Thatcherite pretend Noddy Play School imitation would-be Labour bastards belong - on the fringes.

Hairdressers know what to do with fringes - trim them.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Jack,

Corbyn will, with time, take more and more power to his cause leaving the moderate lot to be on the fringes,

I agree with Shaker, time for real politics, no more sticking plasters, time for the people of Great Britain to say, you are very lucky, lets spread that luck to our less fortunate, give them a chance to share in our good fortune, it is the Christian thing to do.

Gonnagle.

[Jack Knave]

Yay!

Exactly where the pale blue Thatcherite pretend Noddy Play School imitation would-be Labour bastards belong - on the fringes.

Hairdressers know what to do with fringes - trim them.

So you think Corbyn is electable?

If not, then what is the point of him being leader?