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Sex workers claim they are gainfully emplyed
« on: May 02, 2016, 10:22:32 AM »
Interesting little piece from the Graun:

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/may/01/romanian-sex-workers-challenge-uk-immigration-policy

If Harpy & co had their way these women would be starving, since it would have been illegal to pay them!

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« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2016, 12:23:37 PM »
Sex workers should be allowed to operate in an appropriate legal and safe environment. And they should pay income tax.

Providing they possess the appropriate qualifications they should be able to benefit from the EU free movement of labour regulations.

And long may this continue ...
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« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2016, 12:33:26 PM »
Sex workers should be allowed to operate in an appropriate legal and safe environment. And they should pay income tax.

Providing they possess the appropriate qualifications they should be able to benefit from the EU free movement of labour regulations.

And long may this continue ...

Not sure what those 'qualifications' would be in this case?
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« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2016, 12:34:58 PM »
No idea, but there would probably be a scrum for the position of the bloke who finds out.
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« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2016, 12:48:59 PM »
Sex workers should be allowed to operate in an appropriate legal and safe environment. And they should pay income tax.

Providing they possess the appropriate qualifications they should be able to benefit from the EU free movement of labour regulations.

And long may this continue ...

I suppose one could certify that one has equipment to service clients of a particular taste? In some cases that would mean "sexual services", rather than sex as such, since some fetishes don't involve sexual penetration (another bit that NuLabour never seemed to grasp).

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« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2016, 01:39:12 PM »
Sex workers should be allowed to operate in an appropriate legal and safe environment. And they should pay income tax.

Yes.
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« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2016, 08:13:39 PM »
Not sure what those 'qualifications' would be in this case?
A clean record and references of satisfied customers.....?

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« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2016, 09:18:00 PM »
Sex workers should be allowed to operate in an appropriate legal and safe environment. And they should pay income tax.

Providing they possess the appropriate qualifications they should be able to benefit from the EU free movement of labour regulations.

And long may this continue ...
HH, firstly what are the appropriate qualifications?  Secondly, what is the likelihood of their paying income tax when large numbers are controlled by pimps, organised crime, etc., and have much of their earnings removed from their possession.
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« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2016, 09:18:42 PM »
A clean record and references of satisfied customers.....?
And those are qualifications?
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« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2016, 09:19:31 PM »
HH, firstly what are the appropriate qualifications?  Secondly, what is the likelihood of their paying income tax when large numbers are controlled by pimps, organised crime, etc., and have much of their earnings removed from their possession.
Are they?

How large is a large number?
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« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2016, 09:23:14 PM »
HH, firstly what are the appropriate qualifications?  Secondly, what is the likelihood of their paying income tax when large numbers are controlled by pimps, organised crime, etc., and have much of their earnings removed from their possession.

Surely the point of legalising and licencing is precisely to stop the current situation and assuming that the current situation still applies would need a justification rather than an assumption

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« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2016, 09:25:30 PM »
I suppose one could certify that one has equipment to service clients of a particular taste? In some cases that would mean "sexual services", rather than sex as such, since some fetishes don't involve sexual penetration (another bit that NuLabour never seemed to grasp).

Not sure they'd all make it through security, Humph. Although the ones with the giant babygrows should be ok.

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« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2016, 09:30:44 PM »
Surely the point of legalising and licencing is precisely to stop the current situation and assuming that the current situation still applies would need a justification rather than an assumption
Do you really think that legalising prostitution will stop the increasing number of women being trafficked into this and other Western countries by criminal and terrorist groups in oder to act as prostitutes - often as sex-slaves?
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« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2016, 09:31:54 PM »
HH, firstly what are the appropriate qualifications?  Secondly, what is the likelihood of their paying income tax when large numbers are controlled by pimps, organised crime, etc., and have much of their earnings removed from their possession.

I don't know about qualifications but they have to be confident and outgoing. 
The women you mention are quite sad, Hope, but the really classy escort girls make a lot of money and do pay tax.  They usually work for agencies who take a small percentage in commission.  There are some who work independently but it is safer to work for an agency for many reasons.
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« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2016, 09:36:13 PM »
Do you really think that legalising prostitution will stop the increasing number of women being trafficked into this and other Western countries by criminal and terrorist groups in oder to act as prostitutes - often as sex-slaves?
Prostitution is legal already in the UK.
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« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2016, 10:04:45 PM »
Do you really think that legalising prostitution will stop the increasing number of women being trafficked into this and other Western countries by criminal and terrorist groups in oder to act as prostitutes - often as sex-slaves?

It's already legal, licencing it in combination of a number of other changes is surely worth trying, if given the current laws it is such a bad situation. Given you are making th case that it is currently so bad, what changes would you propose?

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« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2016, 10:07:25 PM »
Just to note in combination with licensing suggest we combine that with making it illegal fo paying for non licenced prostitution
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« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2016, 07:17:21 AM »
It's already legal, licencing it in combination of a number of other changes is surely worth trying, if given the current laws it is such a bad situation. Given you are making th case that it is currently so bad, what changes would you propose?
Sorry, NS et al, shouldn't have used the word 'legalising'.  Regarding changes - I'm not really sure.  Looking at other work areas that have been licensed over the years - such as temporary work picking vegetables and fruit and run by gang-masters - we still seem to have unlicensed work being done and not that much less than it used to be.

As far as prostitution is concerned, I'd also want to know why women are involved.  There seems to be a great deal more trafficking of women both within and from outside the UK taking place, and there also seems to a larger number of younger women going into the profession in order to pay for further and higher education.  Then, of course, you get the girls and women who are earning the money to feed drug habits.  All of these seem to be issues that licensing won't deal with, and need to be addressed first.
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« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2016, 10:54:42 AM »
Why bother?  If the high earners are paying tax, the ones who only do it occasionally or short term could be left alone.  Taxing them would only be a drop in the ocean.

It isn't only women who are prostitutes but I accept it is mainly women.  They get involved because they need the money!  As to how they cope with it all, you'd have to ask them.
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« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2016, 07:12:35 PM »
And those are qualifications?
That's the best they've got! What more do you want? A course in S&M?

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« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2016, 07:19:13 PM »
I don't know about qualifications but they have to be confident and outgoing. 
The women you mention are quite sad, Hope, but the really classy escort girls make a lot of money and do pay tax.  They usually work for agencies who take a small percentage in commission.  There are some who work independently but it is safer to work for an agency for many reasons.
Brownie, I'm sure you'll know this. How do the classy escort girls become classy escort girls? Is there some kind of apprentice they are required to carryout on the streets, working their way up the grease poll?

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« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2016, 07:26:48 PM »
Why bother?  If the high earners are paying tax, the ones who only do it occasionally or short term could be left alone.  Taxing them would only be a drop in the ocean.
These types would be working for cash in hand so basically a black market and untaxable.

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« Reply #22 on: May 03, 2016, 07:40:51 PM »
Cash is dirty and covered with germs. If they've been handling money, Vlad, I'd make sure they wash their hands before they touch you.
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« Reply #23 on: May 03, 2016, 07:45:03 PM »
large numbers are controlled by pimps, organised crime, etc., and have much of their earnings removed from their possession.
Guess why that is.
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« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2016, 07:54:03 PM »
Guess why that is.
I'm not guessing why it is; I'm wondering if it is, as Hope has provided nothing but assertion yet.
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