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Re: Who is a prophet?
« Reply #25 on: May 07, 2016, 12:38:59 PM »
Read his comment again - he means not divine from the point of view of Islam.

Ah, yes. It's just me... I'd read it twice and couldn't make out what he was saying.
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Re: Who is a prophet?
« Reply #26 on: May 07, 2016, 12:44:30 PM »
Apologetics uses the uncertainty, mixed messages and lack of clarity in the Bible to further the Christian cause and explain away prophecies that have failed.

I've never heard of "scientific apologetics"

So I googled it and found that it's used by Christians in an attempt to show that their superstitions and science are reconcilable. 

In other words, there's nothing scientific about it.

By the way, compared to the way he smites, slaughters and massacres his way through the OT, the god you're describing for Jonah is remarkably restrained.  Have you given him a personality transplant?
As has been pointed out Khatru, is that the proper definition of apologetics or is it the flip, up yours redefinition redolent of the seriously misnamed "RationalWiki"?

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Re: Who is a prophet?
« Reply #27 on: May 07, 2016, 01:32:23 PM »
Jeremiah 18:5-10 should help:

Then the word of the Lord came to me. 6He said, “Can I not do with you, Israel, as this potter does?” declares the Lord. “Like clay in the hand of the potter, so are you in my hand, Israel. 7If at any time I announce that a nation or kingdom is to be uprooted, torn down and destroyed, 8and if that nation I warned repents of its evil, then I will relent and not inflict on it the disaster I had planned. 9And if at another time I announce that a nation or kingdom is to be built up and planted, 10and if it does evil in my sight and does not obey me, then I will reconsider the good I had intended to do for it.

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« Reply #28 on: May 07, 2016, 02:36:01 PM »
Jeremiah 18:5-10 should help:

Then the word of the Lord came to me. 6He said, “Can I not do with you, Israel, as this potter does?” declares the Lord. “Like clay in the hand of the potter, so are you in my hand, Israel. 7If at any time I announce that a nation or kingdom is to be uprooted, torn down and destroyed, 8and if that nation I warned repents of its evil, then I will relent and not inflict on it the disaster I had planned. 9And if at another time I announce that a nation or kingdom is to be built up and planted, 10and if it does evil in my sight and does not obey me, then I will reconsider the good I had intended to do for it.

What an unpleasant statement, if it had anything to do with a deity. It gives the impression humans are its toys to do with them as it wishes.

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Re: Who is a prophet?
« Reply #29 on: May 08, 2016, 10:42:43 AM »
It doesn't fit does it.. Did you conveniently omit:-

20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.


Jonah didn't die so he was telling the truth... but he also knew God would not harm them when they repented.
Do you know your trouble... Cherry picking because you cannot stand the truth that Yahweh chose Isaac as the son of the promise just as Christ is the Prophet.

The difference between true Prophets, is they know their prophecies come from God. They also know that if people repent God is just and will forgive them. But God sends someone to warn people before they are punished.
He has given everyone the chance to repent.

The facts and truth out weigh your serpent tactics. God always shown to be right in the end....

Ah, there you are.

Will you be hanging around to answer questions this time or will you, like before, be running away unable to cope?

Cherry pick?  You mean like you just did?

Let's look at the line you just posted....

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20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

So when your god says "die" he means that he will smite them there and then for presuming to speak in his name?

Is that what you're saying?
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Re: Who is a prophet?
« Reply #30 on: May 08, 2016, 10:45:18 AM »
As has been pointed out Khatru, is that the proper definition of apologetics or is it the flip, up yours redefinition redolent of the seriously misnamed "RationalWiki"?

Lol!

Well, when it comes to proper definitions of words, perhaps believers need to take a look at themselves.

Take the word "love"

Love is a lot of things but it's not building a massive torture chamber, stocking it with demons, holding people there against their will and torturing them for all eternity.
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Re: Who is a prophet?
« Reply #31 on: May 08, 2016, 10:47:53 AM »
What an unpleasant statement, if it had anything to do with a deity. It gives the impression humans are its toys to do with them as it wishes.

Unpleasant is right.

But then we are talking about a character who Christians believe indiscriminately kills millions.
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Re: Who is a prophet?
« Reply #32 on: May 08, 2016, 12:02:00 PM »
Ah, there you are.

Will you be hanging around to answer questions this time or will you, like before, be running away unable to cope?

Cherry pick?  You mean like you just did?

Let's look at the line you just posted....

So when your god says "die" he means that he will smite them there and then for presuming to speak in his name?

Another moving of the goal post... Did Jonah die? No, so not a false prophet then. See how easy it is to stick to the truth and not get drawn in to your games because you cannot admit you got it wrong and deliberately misrepresented what was actually written.

What did I write?

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It doesn't fit does it.. Did you conveniently omit:-

20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

Jonah didn't die so he was telling the truth... but he also knew God would not harm them when they repented.
Do you know your trouble... Cherry picking because you cannot stand the truth that Yahweh chose Isaac as the son of the promise just as Christ is the Prophet.

The difference between true Prophets, is they know their prophecies come from God. They also know that if people repent God is just and will forgive them. But God sends someone to warn people before they are punished.
He has given everyone the chance to repent.

The facts and truth out weigh your serpent tactics. God always shown to be right in the end....

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Quote from: Khatru on May 04, 2016, 01:06:57 PM
Well, according to the Bible, the test of a prophet is clearly set out in Deuteronomy 18:22

"When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him."

In other words if what's been prophesied fails to take place, it leaves us with a false prophet.

So why is it that Jonah is referred to as a prophet?

Jonah prophesied that Nineveh would be overturned in 40 days.

The Ninevites believed this and commenced a fast as well as changing their clothes.  Even the king got in on the act by ordering his people to wear sackcloth and not to eat or drink.

"So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them.  For word came unto the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, and he laid his robe from him, and covered him with sackcloth, and sat in ashes.  And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water:  But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands.  Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?"

Jonah 3:6-9

The people of Nineveh repented and God refrained from visiting destruction on Nineveh.
 
"And God saw their works that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not."

Jonah 3:10   

So the destruction of Nineveh never came to pass.

Jonah got it wrong - he was no prophet.

So Jonah knew as the book shows what I said to be correct.
Your ignorance of the book shows that you were cherry picking and ignoring the facts to try and make a square peg fit in a round hole.
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Is that what you're saying?

What I said was clear. You ignored all the truth to cherry pick and make something out to be true which was false.
Now everyone knows how dishonest you are in your material you chose to post and comment on.

You ignore the facts to make the false stick. But as you can see the truth wipes all that away. Including your dishonest cherry picking.
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Re: Who is a prophet?
« Reply #33 on: May 08, 2016, 12:03:27 PM »
Lol!

Well, when it comes to proper definitions of words, perhaps believers need to take a look at themselves.

Take the word "love"

Love is a lot of things but it's not building a massive torture chamber, stocking it with demons, holding people there against their will and torturing them for all eternity.

Okay show us where in the bible you got this from...

I bet you can't find it...
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Re: Who is a prophet?
« Reply #34 on: May 08, 2016, 12:05:01 PM »
The Jonah and the Whale story is so  very credible, NOT, LOL!

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Re: Who is a prophet?
« Reply #35 on: May 08, 2016, 01:08:29 PM »
The Jonah and the Whale story is so  very credible, NOT, LOL!
It's ametaphor for being in deep do do.

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Re: Who is a prophet?
« Reply #36 on: May 08, 2016, 01:16:04 PM »
Lol!

Well, when it comes to proper definitions of words, perhaps believers need to take a look at themselves.

Take the word "love"

Love is a lot of things but it's not building a massive torture chamber, stocking it with demons, holding people there against their will and torturing them for all eternity.

 You really are not informed at all God sends no one to hell.You choose to go there try reading John 3:16 and can we have less of your soppy post.For the benefit of sanity thanks.

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Re: Who is a prophet?
« Reply #37 on: May 08, 2016, 07:33:51 PM »
So if one of your kids decided to walk out in front of a train with YOU there, you'd just say ' oh well - never mind, they wanted it so....' thus shirking ALL responsibilities to your kids ?!!?!?

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Re: Who is a prophet?
« Reply #38 on: May 08, 2016, 08:58:31 PM »
So if one of your kids decided to walk out in front of a train with YOU there, you'd just say ' oh well - never mind, they wanted it so....' thus shirking ALL responsibilities to your kids ?!!?!?
From what I've heard from some posters on this board, they wouldn't consider it to be good parenting to stop a child experiencing the consequences of their actions, Nick.
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Re: Who is a prophet?
« Reply #39 on: May 08, 2016, 09:34:10 PM »
Love is a lot of things but it's not building a massive torture chamber, stocking it with demons, holding people there against their will and torturing them for all eternity.
So why spend so much of your time and effort trying to make out that this is what God is like, Khat.  For one thing, ancient (and, I believe, modern) Hebrew is a far more imagery-based language and culture than modern English - papables and allegories were far more common in that culture than they are in ours.  Secondly, the 'fire and brimstone' that so many people like to talk about dates from the 14th century 'Divine Comedy' by Dante. 

Thirdly, someone can come up to you or I and say that they want to go somewhere were there are no bright night lights (so that they can enjoy the night sky, perhaps) and no doubt we could both suggest places and 'send them' on their way.  No-one can accuse us of 'holding them there against their will' on the grounds that we sent them there.  The same goes with this 'torture chamber' as you call it.  At the final judgement - and I'm assuming that, by the concerns you have expressed over the issue as a whole, that you - even if only deep in your being - believe that this will happen, we will be held to account for our actions and choices in life.  If, as some here profess, we don't believe in God and all that he claims for  himself (used in the gender non-specific way that those pronouns exist in English), then God will point us in the direction of the one place we will be happy for eternity - he will 'send us' on our way.   We will be able to take eternal responsibility for the actions and choices we make during our lives.  He isn't responsible for our choices and can't be held responsible for their consequences.
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Re: Who is a prophet?
« Reply #40 on: May 09, 2016, 08:02:18 AM »
...then God will point us in the direction of the one place we will be happy for eternity - he will 'send us' on our way.

So, we're all going to be happy in hell? Free to change our minds too - otherwise it would be 'holding us there against our will'?

We will be able to take eternal responsibility for the actions and choices we make during our lives.

What does that mean?

He isn't responsible for our choices and can't be held responsible for their consequences.

Yet again the theist absurdity of free will from the point of view of an omnipotent and omniscient god. If god is truly omnipotent, omniscient and created everything, then yes, it would be responsible for all of our decisions (unless it made them truly random, in which case, nobody is responsible)...
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Re: Who is a prophet?
« Reply #41 on: May 09, 2016, 09:14:31 AM »
From what I've heard from some posters on this board, they wouldn't consider it to be good parenting to stop a child experiencing the consequences of their actions, Nick.

It is NOT good parenting to kill or torture your kids if they don't obey you as the deity likes to do!

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Re: Who is a prophet?
« Reply #42 on: May 09, 2016, 09:27:52 AM »

You ignore the facts to make the false stick. But as you can see the truth wipes all that away. Including your dishonest cherry picking.

Nothing dishonest about it.

You're saying that if Jonah was lying then your god would have killed him.  However, because Jonah wasn't killed then that means he was speaking the truth. 

Have I got you right there?

Please answer me that before we go any further.
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Re: Who is a prophet?
« Reply #43 on: May 09, 2016, 09:29:12 AM »
Okay show us where in the bible you got this from...

I bet you can't find it...

Are you saying your god did not create a place called Hell to torture people in?

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« Reply #44 on: May 09, 2016, 09:30:55 AM »
You really are not informed at all God sends no one to hell.You choose to go there try reading John 3:16 and can we have less of your soppy post.For the benefit of sanity thanks.

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« Reply #45 on: May 09, 2016, 09:48:28 AM »
Did Jonah die? No, so not a false prophet then.

I guess that's clear enough.

The Bible tells us that God said those who lie and claim to speak for him will die.  Jonah claimed to speak for God and he did not die so that means he was telling the truth.

Except that this particular fable contradicts another fable.

Check out 1 Kings 13:1-10

Here you can read a myth about a prophet out of Judah speaking for the Bible god.

Carry on reading from 1 Kings 13:11-26

In this part we meet a liar and false prophet from Bethel.

He also claims to speak for the supreme cosmic mega-being but he is lying.  However, the prophet from Judah falls for his lies.

Now, using your argument, the liar and false prophet deserves a thorough smiting.  After all., no less a person than God himself says......

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20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

That's your quote, not mine.

So, the Bible god kills the false prophet?

No, he kills the true prophet by siccing a lion on him.

Damn those biblical contradictions!
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Re: Who is a prophet?
« Reply #46 on: May 09, 2016, 10:03:56 AM »
Read it Khatru,

Then come back and see if you actually learned anything...


It will show how dishonest you are in dealings with the bible and will prove you will do anything to twist the truth about being deliberately misleading.

Jonah 1King James Version (KJV)

1 Now the word of the Lord came unto Jonah the son of Amittai, saying,

2 Arise, go to Nineveh, that great city, and cry against it; for their wickedness is come up before me.

3 But Jonah rose up to flee unto Tarshish from the presence of the Lord, and went down to Joppa; and he found a ship going to Tarshish: so he paid the fare thereof, and went down into it, to go with them unto Tarshish from the presence of the Lord.

4 But the Lord sent out a great wind into the sea, and there was a mighty tempest in the sea, so that the ship was like to be broken.

5 Then the mariners were afraid, and cried every man unto his god, and cast forth the wares that were in the ship into the sea, to lighten it of them. But Jonah was gone down into the sides of the ship; and he lay, and was fast asleep.

6 So the shipmaster came to him, and said unto him, What meanest thou, O sleeper? arise, call upon thy God, if so be that God will think upon us, that we perish not.

7 And they said every one to his fellow, Come, and let us cast lots, that we may know for whose cause this evil is upon us. So they cast lots, and the lot fell upon Jonah.

8 Then said they unto him, Tell us, we pray thee, for whose cause this evil is upon us; What is thine occupation? and whence comest thou? what is thy country? and of what people art thou?

9 And he said unto them, I am an Hebrew; and I fear the Lord, the God of heaven, which hath made the sea and the dry land.

10 Then were the men exceedingly afraid, and said unto him. Why hast thou done this? For the men knew that he fled from the presence of the Lord, because he had told them.

11 Then said they unto him, What shall we do unto thee, that the sea may be calm unto us? for the sea wrought, and was tempestuous.

12 And he said unto them, Take me up, and cast me forth into the sea; so shall the sea be calm unto you: for I know that for my sake this great tempest is upon you.

13 Nevertheless the men rowed hard to bring it to the land; but they could not: for the sea wrought, and was tempestuous against them.

14 Wherefore they cried unto the Lord, and said, We beseech thee, O Lord, we beseech thee, let us not perish for this man's life, and lay not upon us innocent blood: for thou, O Lord, hast done as it pleased thee.

15 So they took up Jonah, and cast him forth into the sea: and the sea ceased from her raging.

16 Then the men feared the Lord exceedingly, and offered a sacrifice unto the Lord, and made vows.

17 Now the Lord had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.


Chapter 2.

Jonah 2King James Version (KJV)

2 Then Jonah prayed unto the Lord his God out of the fish's belly,

2 And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the Lord, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

3 For thou hadst cast me into the deep, in the midst of the seas; and the floods compassed me about: all thy billows and thy waves passed over me.

4 Then I said, I am cast out of thy sight; yet I will look again toward thy holy temple.

5 The waters compassed me about, even to the soul: the depth closed me round about, the weeds were wrapped about my head.

6 I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O Lord my God.

7 When my soul fainted within me I remembered the Lord: and my prayer came in unto thee, into thine holy temple.

8 They that observe lying vanities forsake their own mercy.

9 But I will sacrifice unto thee with the voice of thanksgiving; I will pay that that I have vowed. Salvation is of the Lord.

10 And the Lord spake unto the fish, and it vomited out Jonah upon the dry land.



Chapter 3.

Jonah 3King James Version (KJV)

3 And the word of the Lord came unto Jonah the second time, saying,

2 Arise, go unto Nineveh, that great city, and preach unto it the preaching that I bid thee.

3 So Jonah arose, and went unto Nineveh, according to the word of the Lord. Now Nineveh was an exceeding great city of three days' journey.

4 And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.

5 So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them.

6 For word came unto the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, and he laid his robe from him, and covered him with sackcloth, and sat in ashes.

7 And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water:

8 But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands.

9 Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?

10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.


Chapter 4.

Jonah 4King James Version (KJV)

4 But it displeased Jonah exceedingly, and he was very angry.

2 And he prayed unto the Lord, and said, I pray thee, O Lord, was not this my saying, when I was yet in my country? Therefore I fled before unto Tarshish: for I knew that thou art a gracious God, and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repentest thee of the evil.

3 Therefore now, O Lord, take, I beseech thee, my life from me; for it is better for me to die than to live.

4 Then said the Lord, Doest thou well to be angry?

5 So Jonah went out of the city, and sat on the east side of the city, and there made him a booth, and sat under it in the shadow, till he might see what would become of the city.

6 And the Lord God prepared a gourd, and made it to come up over Jonah, that it might be a shadow over his head, to deliver him from his grief. So Jonah was exceeding glad of the gourd.

7 But God prepared a worm when the morning rose the next day, and it smote the gourd that it withered.

8 And it came to pass, when the sun did arise, that God prepared a vehement east wind; and the sun beat upon the head of Jonah, that he fainted, and wished in himself to die, and said, It is better for me to die than to live.

9 And God said to Jonah, Doest thou well to be angry for the gourd? And he said, I do well to be angry, even unto death.

10 Then said the Lord, Thou hast had pity on the gourd, for the which thou hast not laboured, neither madest it grow; which came up in a night, and perished in a night:

11 And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?


There are 4 chapters and in them are the truth of the matter.
Jonah did not want to preach the word sent to him because he knew God is good and if they repented they would not die.
In fact it explains the difference between good Prophets and false Prophets. Jonah was a true Prophet of God and no matter how he tried to get away from God, even in the deep and jaws of death no man comes back from. Even there Gods hand lead him and even there God was right beside him.

It shows that true Prophets knew that God sends warnings. Just as Moses did with Pharaoh. But even having let them go he went after them to kill them. In life God knows all things. The Prophets of GOD, know God.
You deliberately took something out of context of the truth and it made it something it wasn't by the pride of your own thinking.
But the truth before you shows you for what you are. FALSE.

You came here to undermine the Word and the people of God, the Only most High God. You have failed and that is all you can expect to do. Because YHWH is the ONLY God and Isaac is the one true chosen Son of Abraham whom the promise came through. Do not try to do this again.
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Re: Who is a prophet?
« Reply #47 on: May 09, 2016, 11:05:20 AM »
Read it Khatru,

Then come back and see if you actually learned anything...


It will show how dishonest you are in dealings with the bible and will prove you will do anything to twist the truth about being deliberately misleading.

Jonah 1King James Version (KJV)

1 Now the word of the Lord came unto Jonah the son of Amittai, saying,

2 Arise, go to Nineveh, that great city, and cry against it; for their wickedness is come up before me.

3 But Jonah rose up to flee unto Tarshish from the presence of the Lord, and went down to Joppa; and he found a ship going to Tarshish: so he paid the fare thereof, and went down into it, to go with them unto Tarshish from the presence of the Lord.

4 But the Lord sent out a great wind into the sea, and there was a mighty tempest in the sea, so that the ship was like to be broken.

5 Then the mariners were afraid, and cried every man unto his god, and cast forth the wares that were in the ship into the sea, to lighten it of them. But Jonah was gone down into the sides of the ship; and he lay, and was fast asleep.

6 So the shipmaster came to him, and said unto him, What meanest thou, O sleeper? arise, call upon thy God, if so be that God will think upon us, that we perish not.

7 And they said every one to his fellow, Come, and let us cast lots, that we may know for whose cause this evil is upon us. So they cast lots, and the lot fell upon Jonah.

8 Then said they unto him, Tell us, we pray thee, for whose cause this evil is upon us; What is thine occupation? and whence comest thou? what is thy country? and of what people art thou?

9 And he said unto them, I am an Hebrew; and I fear the Lord, the God of heaven, which hath made the sea and the dry land.

10 Then were the men exceedingly afraid, and said unto him. Why hast thou done this? For the men knew that he fled from the presence of the Lord, because he had told them.

11 Then said they unto him, What shall we do unto thee, that the sea may be calm unto us? for the sea wrought, and was tempestuous.

12 And he said unto them, Take me up, and cast me forth into the sea; so shall the sea be calm unto you: for I know that for my sake this great tempest is upon you.

13 Nevertheless the men rowed hard to bring it to the land; but they could not: for the sea wrought, and was tempestuous against them.

14 Wherefore they cried unto the Lord, and said, We beseech thee, O Lord, we beseech thee, let us not perish for this man's life, and lay not upon us innocent blood: for thou, O Lord, hast done as it pleased thee.

15 So they took up Jonah, and cast him forth into the sea: and the sea ceased from her raging.

16 Then the men feared the Lord exceedingly, and offered a sacrifice unto the Lord, and made vows.

17 Now the Lord had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.


Chapter 2.

Jonah 2King James Version (KJV)

2 Then Jonah prayed unto the Lord his God out of the fish's belly,

2 And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the Lord, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

3 For thou hadst cast me into the deep, in the midst of the seas; and the floods compassed me about: all thy billows and thy waves passed over me.

4 Then I said, I am cast out of thy sight; yet I will look again toward thy holy temple.

5 The waters compassed me about, even to the soul: the depth closed me round about, the weeds were wrapped about my head.

6 I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O Lord my God.

7 When my soul fainted within me I remembered the Lord: and my prayer came in unto thee, into thine holy temple.

8 They that observe lying vanities forsake their own mercy.

9 But I will sacrifice unto thee with the voice of thanksgiving; I will pay that that I have vowed. Salvation is of the Lord.

10 And the Lord spake unto the fish, and it vomited out Jonah upon the dry land.



Chapter 3.

Jonah 3King James Version (KJV)

3 And the word of the Lord came unto Jonah the second time, saying,

2 Arise, go unto Nineveh, that great city, and preach unto it the preaching that I bid thee.

3 So Jonah arose, and went unto Nineveh, according to the word of the Lord. Now Nineveh was an exceeding great city of three days' journey.

4 And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.

5 So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them.

6 For word came unto the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, and he laid his robe from him, and covered him with sackcloth, and sat in ashes.

7 And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water:

8 But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands.

9 Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?

10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.


Chapter 4.

Jonah 4King James Version (KJV)

4 But it displeased Jonah exceedingly, and he was very angry.

2 And he prayed unto the Lord, and said, I pray thee, O Lord, was not this my saying, when I was yet in my country? Therefore I fled before unto Tarshish: for I knew that thou art a gracious God, and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repentest thee of the evil.

3 Therefore now, O Lord, take, I beseech thee, my life from me; for it is better for me to die than to live.

4 Then said the Lord, Doest thou well to be angry?

5 So Jonah went out of the city, and sat on the east side of the city, and there made him a booth, and sat under it in the shadow, till he might see what would become of the city.

6 And the Lord God prepared a gourd, and made it to come up over Jonah, that it might be a shadow over his head, to deliver him from his grief. So Jonah was exceeding glad of the gourd.

7 But God prepared a worm when the morning rose the next day, and it smote the gourd that it withered.

8 And it came to pass, when the sun did arise, that God prepared a vehement east wind; and the sun beat upon the head of Jonah, that he fainted, and wished in himself to die, and said, It is better for me to die than to live.

9 And God said to Jonah, Doest thou well to be angry for the gourd? And he said, I do well to be angry, even unto death.

10 Then said the Lord, Thou hast had pity on the gourd, for the which thou hast not laboured, neither madest it grow; which came up in a night, and perished in a night:

11 And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?


There are 4 chapters and in them are the truth of the matter.
Jonah did not want to preach the word sent to him because he knew God is good and if they repented they would not die.
In fact it explains the difference between good Prophets and false Prophets. Jonah was a true Prophet of God and no matter how he tried to get away from God, even in the deep and jaws of death no man comes back from. Even there Gods hand lead him and even there God was right beside him.

It shows that true Prophets knew that God sends warnings. Just as Moses did with Pharaoh. But even having let them go he went after them to kill them. In life God knows all things. The Prophets of GOD, know God.
You deliberately took something out of context of the truth and it made it something it wasn't by the pride of your own thinking.
But the truth before you shows you for what you are. FALSE.

You came here to undermine the Word and the people of God, the Only most High God. You have failed and that is all you can expect to do. Because YHWH is the ONLY God and Isaac is the one true chosen Son of Abraham whom the promise came through. Do not try to do this again.

So Jonah spoke the truth and you know this because the supreme cosmic mega-being did not strike him dead.

For it is told....

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Sassy

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Re: Who is a prophet?
« Reply #48 on: May 09, 2016, 01:41:45 PM »
So Jonah spoke the truth and you know this because the supreme cosmic mega-being did not strike him dead.

For it is told....

I see you did not read it... hence you are as ignorant as you were when you originally posted the rubbish that is not from the bible..

Gordon: I think we have a child under the age of 16 posting on this site. Khatru is unable to reason as an adult and is incoherent when it comes to actually taking part in the discussion and heeding information given.

I think you need to check if he is over 16 because of the subjects we sometimes touch upon.

Thanks Sassy.
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Re: Who is a prophet?
« Reply #49 on: May 09, 2016, 01:46:43 PM »
I'm not going to Hell - I refuse to go.

Khatru, what makes you think you'd be welcome there anyway  ;) ?

It is NOT good parenting to kill or torture your kids if they don't obey you as the deity likes to do!

Since when has the deity liked  to obey any of us?  News to me, I'll be issuing instructions from now on! ;)
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