Who is a prophet?

[Sassy]

So that place of eternal fire and torture of which so many Christians have told me I'm going to doesn't actually exist?

That's great news but man those Christians sure got that wrong then.

Christ gave us two commandments and in these two commandments are the whole teachings of the Prophets and the Law.



Luke 16:19-31King James Version (KJV)

19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.


You are not persuaded by the rising of Christ from the dead.
When Christ died others arose from their graves.

Matthew 27.

50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.

51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.


In truth the teachings about Christ in the NT are so people will Know Jesus is the Son of God and sets us free from sin, the world and the devil.

The things of God are for the children of God. How could you ever understand that how you treat others is the reward you reap.
The rich man should have provided for Dives. Sometimes trust in God is about forsaking all the worldly things and sharing what you have with those without.  We see that eventually death and hades (hell) thrown into the Lake of fire after judgment.
That all who are not in Christ face the judgment.

Where do you think you will be on that day? Why not repent of your sins and ask Jesus to be your saviour?
Jesus is Gods son and Gods love was so great for us he sent Jesus that whosoever believeth on him should not perish but have eternal life.

You have a choice Khatru...Just as Dives and Lazarus...

[floo]

Sass and TW seem to be clones!

[Sassy]

Lol

You're running away from me again, Sass.

You did that on the Biblical Translation thread and now you're doing it again in here.

I'm sorry if your faith has left you so unprepared to face up to scrutiny.

Perhaps you should try Islam - you're almost a Muslim anyway.

Be careful where you tread in blind ignorance.
There is no such thing as Islam it has no God as it has no truth when it comes to YHWH.
YHWH said:


King James Bible
And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.

But note he never made him the Son of the Promises.
Isaac was the true and promised Son whom God made a great nation more numberous than the grains of sand on the seashore.

You are the person standing still because the truth has never been opened up to you.
You have no truth. Jesus Christ is the Son of God... The Messiah promised to the descendants of Abraham the JEWS.
Why would someone who knows and has the truth. Who believes in the true Prophets and Jesus Christ be running away from someone who has it ALL wrong completely.

Are you delusional, well only someone who is delusioned runs after the wrong god and wrong son.

I know that my redeemer lives but most importantly I know the one true and most high God sent him.
Running towards you and you unable to do anything because you have no truth to defend yourself.

You cannot move the unshakable.

[Sassy]

I guess TW is happy because us going to eternal torture is exactly what his god wants anyway.

That's why it's his god that sends us to Hell.

Do you think it is good for people to go to hell? Well we see from Dives and Lazarus it is about choice.
How many people will you be responsible for not being saved because you told lies about God and his Messiah.


No one sends a person to hell. It is the wages of sin brings death and it is something you earn for yourself.
Something no one wants to do is take responsibility for their actions or words.

If you don't love others here where else can you love them?
Love God and love others... Really important and then no one goes anywhere they have earned for doing wrong unto others.

[Sassy]

Joseph Smith of the LDS is also claimed to be a Prophet.

Joseph Smith claimed angels brought him Gold Tablets to translate.

As Christ was to bring Gods final truth, why would he or anyone else need new teachings?

This is South Park

http://youtu.be/tu4y7x9LRyY

Made me laugh 

We get site cannot be found...

We are to love one another... why is that so hard for some?

[floo]

And your posts convey 'love', do they Sass?

[Khatru]

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That's right and I get my info from the bible.
~TW~

You take pleasure at the thought of people being tortured for all eternity just because they have a different world view to you?

That's sick.

[Khatru]

Christ gave us two commandments and in these two commandments are the whole teachings of the Prophets and the Law.



Luke 16:19-31King James Version (KJV)

19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.


You are not persuaded by the rising of Christ from the dead.
When Christ died others arose from their graves.

Matthew 27.

50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.

51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.


In truth the teachings about Christ in the NT are so people will Know Jesus is the Son of God and sets us free from sin, the world and the devil.

The things of God are for the children of God. How could you ever understand that how you treat others is the reward you reap.
The rich man should have provided for Dives. Sometimes trust in God is about forsaking all the worldly things and sharing what you have with those without.  We see that eventually death and hades (hell) thrown into the Lake of fire after judgment.
That all who are not in Christ face the judgment.

Where do you think you will be on that day? Why not repent of your sins and ask Jesus to be your saviour?
Jesus is Gods son and Gods love was so great for us he sent Jesus that whosoever believeth on him should not perish but have eternal life.

You have a choice Khatru...Just as Dives and Lazarus...

So, to summarise...

What you and TW are saying is that if I want to be a Christian I need to spend the rest of my life convincing your god not to burn me after I die.

How do I convince him not to burn me?

By telling him that I love him.

[trippymonkey]

What a lovely being is the Christian god - only one small step down from that bloody awful horror of Islam ?!?!!??

[floo]

What a lovely being is the Christian god - only one small step down from that bloody awful horror of Islam ?!?!!??

Oh it is on a level with the Islamic one, if not a notch higher up in the nastiness stakes.

[bluehillside Retd.]

TW,

I AM.

In that case presumably you think 1 Corinthians 13:13 is aimed at you, yet your posts here are characterised by a malevolent and hateful pleasure at the supposed fate of those who don't think as you do. That is, you pick the bits of the Bible that suit your personality (the nasty bits) and ignore those that don't (the nice bits).

QED

[Sassy]

And your posts convey 'love', do they Sass?

My post contain truth. Truth about God and Christ. Truth about God loving us and wanting us saved.
All your posts contains is insults and cursing. You show no zeal for truth or the welfare of your fellow man or the fact you could be wrong.

I guess to love someone is to tell them the truth about God and Jesus Christ.
Does it make you happy putting people down all the time and knowing you might cause others to die?

Yours only conveys pride and the need to bring down God and believers.
I believe the way I take is nobler and far more sensible when it comes to loving others.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sassy,

I believe the way I take is nobler and far more sensible when it comes to loving others.

Seriously? I see your posts as full of spite and insult when you don't like the arguments you can't undo, and as the antithesis of "sensible" as they lack any sort of coherent argument of their own to support them. 

In the vanishingly unlikely event that there is a Jesus as you think there to be, I'd have thought he'd be thoroughly ashamed of you.

[Sassy]

So, to summarise...

What you and TW are saying is that if I want to be a Christian I need to spend the rest of my life convincing your god not to burn me after I die.

How do I convince him not to burn me?

By telling him that I love him.

Show us where in the bible or anyones writings you actually got the above from...

Simple truth is nothing of the above came from TW or myself.

As you made it that far ON YOUR OWN, ALL BY YOURSELF, WITHOUT HELP FROM THE BIBLE, GOD, TW OR MYSELF.
WHY ASK US? WE NEVER SAID THAT, THE BIBLE NEVER SAID THAT.... Do you not realise you are your own worst enemy.

You need a love of truth and so far have shown you have no love for anything but yourself.

Which is why you cannot come to understand the truth. You simply do not want it.
You want to tear down and destroy like the devil. But the devil at least knew what was written in the scriptures even if he did not know how to follow them.

And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

You cannot even get right what the devil can... But as you see from Christ... Greater is he who is in us, than he who is in the world.

Maybe you should learn the bible before you try approaching those who do.

[Sassy]

Sassy,

Seriously? I see your posts as full of spite and insult when you don't like the arguments you can't undo, and as the antithesis of "sensible" as they lack any sort of coherent argument of their own to support them. 

In the vanishingly unlikely event that there is a Jesus as you think there to be, I'd have thought he'd be thoroughly ashamed of you.

What a load of tosh... How sad is it when you attack with lies and show yourself to be all that you have supposedly embellished about myself.
You see God and Jesus are not man... they don't lie and they certainly don't make things up to hurt others as you do.

No spite or insult  and just your pride rebelling because you cannot prove to yourself the things you believe.
We have a relationship with our God. We are here so you cannot deny having been told or knowing the truth.

In spite of all your insults we remain and we just tell the truth as I did here with your reply. For a 17-18 year old you carry a lot of venom. Maybe you should find yourself some friends and go out. Are you always in the house and your bedroom?
I sincerely hope nothing wrong with you that you are unable to go out.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sassy,

Maybe you should learn the bible before you try approaching those who do.

And maybe you should learn how to make a coherent argument before engaging with those of us who can.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sassy,

Me:

Seriously? I see your posts as full of spite and insult when you don't like the arguments you can't undo, and as the antithesis of "sensible" as they lack any sort of coherent argument of their own to support them. 

In the vanishingly unlikely event that there is a Jesus as you think there to be, I'd have thought he'd be thoroughly ashamed of you.

You:

What a load of tosh... How sad is it when you attack with lies and show yourself to be all that you have supposedly embellished about myself.
You see God and Jesus are not man... they don't lie and they certainly don't make things up to hurt others as you do.

No spite of insult just your pride rebelling because you cannot prove to yourself the things you believe.
We have a relationship with our God. We are here so you cannot deny having been told or knowing the truth.

In spite of all your insults we remain and we just tell the truth as I did here with your reply. For a 17-18 year old you carry a lot of venom. Maybe you should find yourself some friends and go out. Are you always in the house and your bedroom?
I sincerely hope nothing wrong with you that you are unable to go out.

Thank you for demonstrating precisely my point: spite and insult all the way masking your total inability to make an argument of any kind.

[Sassy]

Sassy,

And maybe you should learn how to make a coherent argument before engaging with those of us who can.

I guess you have a long way to go before you can make sense of what others write outside your area of expertise.

Truth is the educated can always make sense of anything written when they know the subject it is in relation to.
Even with words missing we can see what the writer is actually saying.
You cannot even understand the subject being broached let alone make an argument, coherent or otherwise.

Your last reply proved these things.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sassy,

I guess you have a long way to go before you can make sense of what others write outside your area of expertise.

Truth is the educated can always make sense of anything written when they know the subject it is in relation to.
Even with words missing we can see what the writer is actually saying.
You cannot even understand the subject being broached let alone make an argument, coherent or otherwise.

Your last reply proved these things.

Just out of interest, do you even know what the term "argument" means? It doesn't as you seem to think mean just asserting your personal convictions, coupled with insulting the person who's made an argument you don't like. Rather it's a generally a proposition and a conclusion, with some linking logic in between to take your from one to the other.

So here's a challenge for you: why not finally make a post that doesn't consist entirely of the former, and instead try the latter? Baby steps and all that, and there are some here who'll help you along the way if you do want to try it but really you'll feel better about yourself if you can manage it instead of the usual hysterical ranting.

Good luck with it!

[Sassy]

Too difficult for you isn't Bluehillside. The child who wants to draw posters into his childish playground type of thinking.
This discussion is not about how clever we are. It is about how informed we are on the subject being discussed.
What let's you down every time is the childish way of trying to make it a verbal fight or disrespectful slanging match.

The truth is that I will always know more about God, Christ, the bible and my own faith than you who have none.
These are simple and true facts. Your behaviour is lacking in maturity and respect for anyone with different beliefs to your own.

The fact remains whilst you cannot respectfully converse with others you will always lose in the content of arguments and points raised.

I suggest you grow up quickly and if you cannot address the issues in a mature and adult manner that you do not answer at all.

I am secure in my faith. There is nothing you can teach a Christian and your lack of knowledge will just keep this silly arguments and insults going. So if you want me to answer your posts in the future. Stick to the subject matter and produce posts which are in relation to the discussion.  I am not going to waste my time with a child who thinks insulting others is an actual answer.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sassy,

Too difficult for you isn't Bluehillside. The child who wants to draw posters into his childish playground type of thinking.
This discussion is not about how clever we are. It is about how informed we are on the subject being discussed.
What let's you down every time is the childish way of trying to make it a verbal fight or disrespectful slanging match.

The truth is that I will always know more about God, Christ, the bible and my own faith than you who have none.
These are simple and true facts. Your behaviour is lacking in maturity and respect for anyone with different beliefs to your own.

The fact remains whilst you cannot respectfully converse with others you will always lose in the content of arguments and points raised.

I suggest you grow up quickly and if you cannot address the issues in a mature and adult manner that you do not answer at all.

I am secure in my faith. There is nothing you can teach a Christian and your lack of knowledge will just keep this silly arguments and insults going. So if you want me to answer your posts in the future. Stick to the subject matter and produce posts which are in relation to the discussion.  I am not going to waste my time with a child who thinks insulting others is an actual answer.

And that'll be a "no" then. Ah well - I tried.

If it's any help, I hear Ryman's have a sale this week on green ink. Better hurry!

[Sassy]

Too difficult for you isn't Bluehillside. The child who wants to draw posters into his childish playground type of thinking.
This discussion is not about how clever we are. It is about how informed we are on the subject being discussed.
What let's you down every time is the childish way of trying to make it a verbal fight or disrespectful slanging match.

The truth is that I will always know more about God, Christ, the bible and my own faith than you who have none.
These are simple and true facts. Your behaviour is lacking in maturity and respect for anyone with different beliefs to your own.

The fact remains whilst you cannot respectfully converse with others you will always lose in the content of arguments and points raised.

I suggest you grow up quickly and if you cannot address the issues in a mature and adult manner that you do not answer at all.

I am secure in my faith. There is nothing you can teach a Christian and your lack of knowledge will just keep these silly arguments and insults going. So if you want me to answer your posts in the future. Stick to the subject matter and produce posts which are in relation to the discussion.  I am not going to waste my time with a child who thinks insulting others is an actual answer.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sassy,

Just fyi, typing a rant in bold font does not turn its unpleasant loopiness into a sound argument.

Do watch out for sharp objects won't you.

[floo]

My post contain truth. Truth about God and Christ. Truth about God loving us and wanting us saved.
All your posts contains is insults and cursing. You show no zeal for truth or the welfare of your fellow man or the fact you could be wrong.

I guess to love someone is to tell them the truth about God and Jesus Christ.
Does it make you happy putting people down all the time and knowing you might cause others to die?

Yours only conveys pride and the need to bring down God and believers.
I believe the way I take is nobler and far more sensible when it comes to loving others.

You want it to be the truth, but you have no evidence it is so.

[floo]

Too difficult for you isn't Bluehillside. The child who wants to draw posters into his childish playground type of thinking.
This discussion is not about how clever we are. It is about how informed we are on the subject being discussed.
What let's you down every time is the childish way of trying to make it a verbal fight or disrespectful slanging match.

The truth is that I will always know more about God, Christ, the bible and my own faith than you who have none.
These are simple and true facts. Your behaviour is lacking in maturity and respect for anyone with different beliefs to your own.

The fact remains whilst you cannot respectfully converse with others you will always lose in the content of arguments and points raised.

I suggest you grow up quickly and if you cannot address the issues in a mature and adult manner that you do not answer at all.

I am secure in my faith. There is nothing you can teach a Christian and your lack of knowledge will just keep these silly arguments and insults going. So if you want me to answer your posts in the future. Stick to the subject matter and produce posts which are in relation to the discussion.  I am not going to waste my time with a child who thinks insulting others is an actual answer.

You say you are secure in your faith, but your rants give the opposite impression and you come over as very insecure.