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Re: Who is a prophet?
« Reply #225 on: May 16, 2016, 08:39:31 AM »
Yes this joke page is good       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6ElA0--JNg

Before we move on to the next joker, perhaps you would acknowledge that the previous article (that I quoted) was clearly written by somebody dishonest, stupid or both?
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Re: Who is a prophet?
« Reply #226 on: May 16, 2016, 08:50:28 AM »
Before we move on to the next joker, perhaps you would acknowledge that the previous article (that I quoted) was clearly written by somebody dishonest, stupid or both?
My answer is all of you so far have said these people are a joke,but none of you have offered in anyway a counter claim so here is another joke for you.

               https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJoOhbf3_Ts Try not to say joke back your reply with facts do something different.

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Re: Who is a prophet?
« Reply #227 on: May 16, 2016, 08:53:54 AM »
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Before we move on to the next joker, perhaps you would acknowledge that the previous article (that I quoted) was clearly written by somebody dishonest, stupid or both?

And for that matter that the preacher in the video he linked to got it flat out ass backwards re evolution, for reasons I explained at some length at the time.
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Re: Who is a prophet?
« Reply #228 on: May 16, 2016, 08:57:55 AM »
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And for that matter that the preacher in the video he linked to got it flat out ass backwards re evolution, for reasons I explained at some length at the time.

 Did you explain it, and your word is  final.      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LTaPIK7maY     

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Re: Who is a prophet?
« Reply #229 on: May 16, 2016, 09:27:44 AM »
My answer is all of you so far have said these people are a joke,but none of you have offered in anyway a counter claim

Sorry, I thought it would be blindingly obvious, even to you!

Let's look again at the piece I quoted:

If we were to conservatively say that a generation passed once every 25 years (and when was the last time a generation was 25 years long?), then in 100,000 years a total of 4,000 generations would occur. If the number of people on earth never exceeded 1,000,000 at any one time in the past, then in 100,000 years a total of 4,000,000,000 people would have lived, died and been buried somewhere on earth. This is an astronomical number.

When people are buried, whether or not their bodies are preserved, there are the artifacts left in the graves which identify them as human. Even if the body decomposes completely their jewelry, tools and vessels placed in the grave with them will survive.

Based upon evolutionary assumptions we should be able to dig straight down almost anywhere on earth and hit at least one grave from a prior generation. To date, however, even with all the money thrown into the search for them, we have only found about 300 'Neanderthal' skeletons. They have been found in caves from Spain to Syria to Israel.


Without even beginning to analyse how realistic, or otherwise, his assumptions are, we can see immediately that he can't translate them into numbers properly and then can't interpret his (faulty) calculations properly either.

First he says: "If the number of people on earth never exceeded 1,000,000". Then he concludes that "a total of 4,000,000,000 people would have lived, died and been buried somewhere on earth". What he's actually done is multiply his maximum population estimate with the number of generations - the figure is the number of people who would have lived if the population had remained static at exactly 1,000,000.

He then goes on to say what a big number this is - even though it is somewhat less than the current living population of the world (over 7,000,000,000). This might give you a clue as the how accurate his conclusion is. He says "Based upon evolutionary assumptions we should be able to dig straight down almost anywhere on earth and hit at least one grave from a prior generation". Really? Let's see. The land area of the Earth is about 500,000,000 km2, that's 5x1014 m2. Now, assuming everyone since the dawn of humanity was buried and a grave is about 2m2 (using his assumptions) 4,000,000,000 graves would take up a staggering 0.0016% of said area.

As I said, this is without even questioning his own, rather bizarre, assumptions.
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Re: Who is a prophet?
« Reply #230 on: May 16, 2016, 09:36:33 AM »
Sorry, I thought it would be blindingly obvious, even to you!

Let's look again at the piece I quoted:

If we were to conservatively say that a generation passed once every 25 years (and when was the last time a generation was 25 years long?), then in 100,000 years a total of 4,000 generations would occur. If the number of people on earth never exceeded 1,000,000 at any one time in the past, then in 100,000 years a total of 4,000,000,000 people would have lived, died and been buried somewhere on earth. This is an astronomical number.

When people are buried, whether or not their bodies are preserved, there are the artifacts left in the graves which identify them as human. Even if the body decomposes completely their jewelry, tools and vessels placed in the grave with them will survive.

Based upon evolutionary assumptions we should be able to dig straight down almost anywhere on earth and hit at least one grave from a prior generation. To date, however, even with all the money thrown into the search for them, we have only found about 300 'Neanderthal' skeletons. They have been found in caves from Spain to Syria to Israel.


Without even beginning to analyse how realistic, or otherwise, his assumptions are, we can see immediately that he can't translate them into numbers properly and then can't interpret his (faulty) calculations properly either.

First he says: "If the number of people on earth never exceeded 1,000,000". Then he concludes that "a total of 4,000,000,000 people would have lived, died and been buried somewhere on earth". What he's actually done is multiply his maximum population estimate with the number of generations - the figure is the number of people who would have lived if the population had remained static at exactly 1,000,000.

He then goes on to say what a big number this is - even though it is somewhat less than the current living population of the world (over 7,000,000,000). This might give you a clue as the how accurate his conclusion is. He says "Based upon evolutionary assumptions we should be able to dig straight down almost anywhere on earth and hit at least one grave from a prior generation". Really? Let's see. The land area of the Earth is about 500,000,000 km2, that's 5x1014 m2. Now, assuming everyone since the dawn of humanity was buried and a grave is about 2m2 (using his assumptions) 4,000,000,000 graves would take up a staggering 0.0016% of said area.

As I said, this is without even questioning his own, rather bizarre, assumptions.

 well challenge him you can always send him an email.Then he will explain why you are wrong.

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Re: Who is a prophet?
« Reply #231 on: May 16, 2016, 09:46:38 AM »
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Sorry, I thought it would be blindingly obvious, even to you!

Let's look again at the piece I quoted:

If we were to conservatively say that a generation passed once every 25 years (and when was the last time a generation was 25 years long?), then in 100,000 years a total of 4,000 generations would occur. If the number of people on earth never exceeded 1,000,000 at any one time in the past, then in 100,000 years a total of 4,000,000,000 people would have lived, died and been buried somewhere on earth. This is an astronomical number.

When people are buried, whether or not their bodies are preserved, there are the artifacts left in the graves which identify them as human. Even if the body decomposes completely their jewelry, tools and vessels placed in the grave with them will survive.

Based upon evolutionary assumptions we should be able to dig straight down almost anywhere on earth and hit at least one grave from a prior generation. To date, however, even with all the money thrown into the search for them, we have only found about 300 'Neanderthal' skeletons. They have been found in caves from Spain to Syria to Israel.

Without even beginning to analyse how realistic, or otherwise, his assumptions are, we can see immediately that he can't translate them into numbers properly and then can't interpret his (faulty) calculations properly either.

First he says: "If the number of people on earth never exceeded 1,000,000". Then he concludes that "a total of 4,000,000,000 people would have lived, died and been buried somewhere on earth". What he's actually done is multiply his maximum population estimate with the number of generations - the figure is the number of people who would have lived if the population had remained static at exactly 1,000,000.

He then goes on to say what a big number this is - even though it is somewhat less than the current living population of the world (over 7,000,000,000). This might give you a clue as the how accurate his conclusion is. He says "Based upon evolutionary assumptions we should be able to dig straight down almost anywhere on earth and hit at least one grave from a prior generation". Really? Let's see. The land area of the Earth is about 500,000,000 km2, that's 5x1014 m2. Now, assuming everyone since the dawn of humanity was buried and a grave is about 2m2 (using his assumptions) 4,000,000,000 graves would take up a staggering 0.0016% of said area.

As I said, this is without even questioning his own, rather bizarre, assumptions.

Quite so. Just to another nail in the coffin of this bozo, he assumes too an even distribution of his claimed population number whereas populations tend to congregate in cities and similar. And funnily enough, you'll often find human remains when you dig in those areas as the frequency of finds when putting up office blocks in the City of London shows.

What does T(roll)W's repeated reliance on idiots for validation tell us I wonder?
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Re: Who is a prophet?
« Reply #232 on: May 16, 2016, 09:48:07 AM »
well challenge him you can always send him an email.Then he will explain why you are wrong.

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Re: Who is a prophet?
« Reply #233 on: May 16, 2016, 09:53:56 AM »
well challenge him you can always send him an email.Then he will explain why you are wrong.

Why should I bother? If you think he's right (and you're not just blindly accepting what he says) then you tell me why I'm wrong and he's right.

I suspect you won't because you are too afraid to think about it, in case you realize that you've been misled...
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Re: Who is a prophet?
« Reply #234 on: May 16, 2016, 10:04:14 AM »
Why should I bother? If you think he's right (and you're not just blindly accepting what he says) then you tell me why I'm wrong and he's right.

I suspect you won't because you are too afraid to think about it, in case you realize that you've been misled...

 No never-----I think he is right not in everything he says but a good guide.Also I do not rely on him solely and I like to feel that I check all things as best as possible,so until you can find something in the room where you are sitting that made itself.I have all the evidence I need.  :)
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Re: Who is a prophet?
« Reply #235 on: May 16, 2016, 10:10:00 AM »
No never-----I think he is right not in everything he says but a good guide.Also I do not rely on him solely and I like to feel that I check all things as best as possible,so until you can find something in the room where you are sitting that made itself.I have all the evidence I need.

So, you're easily led and you don't mind that people publish blatantly wrong arguments, as long as they support your views?

How about we follow up this silly argument of yours, then? Care to go through the reasoning about things making themselves? Or can't you even back up your own argument...?
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Re: Who is a prophet?
« Reply #236 on: May 16, 2016, 10:17:51 AM »
No never-----I think he is right not in everything he says but a good guide.Also I do not rely on him solely and I like to feel that I check all things as best as possible,so until you can find something in the room where you are sitting that made itself.I have all the evidence I need.  :)
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Is that another way of saying ' nothing went bang' - inside your head!  ::)
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Re: Who is a prophet?
« Reply #237 on: May 16, 2016, 11:16:47 AM »
Is that another way of saying ' nothing went bang' - inside your head!  ::)
No but you are a pratt.
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Re: Who is a prophet?
« Reply #238 on: May 16, 2016, 11:25:44 AM »
No but you are a pratt.
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I think spelling prat incorrectly shows who is a prat!
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Re: Who is a prophet?
« Reply #239 on: May 16, 2016, 11:29:25 AM »
I think spelling prat incorrectly shows who is a prat!
... all the more so when you've made the same error before, have been told about it, and then do it again anyway.

As bluey has just said on another thread, there are some hardcore cases who simply don't care that they're wrong and are immune to criticism, ploughing on as wrongly as ever regardless.
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Re: Who is a prophet?
« Reply #240 on: May 16, 2016, 11:35:41 AM »
... all the more so when you've made the same error before, have been told about it, and then do it again anyway.

As bluey has just said on another thread, there are some hardcore cases who simply don't care that they're wrong and are immune to criticism, ploughing on as wrongly as ever regardless.

Perhaps we should all stop feeding the troll?
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Re: Who is a prophet?
« Reply #241 on: May 16, 2016, 11:38:22 AM »
Perhaps we should all stop feeding the troll?
Like dieting, it's simple and straightforward to know what you have to do; actually putting it into practice is far harder.
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Re: Who is a prophet?
« Reply #242 on: May 16, 2016, 11:48:55 AM »
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Perhaps we should all stop feeding the troll?

Yup. Be nice if we had a troll corner for them to play in too perhaps, but not feeding term at all is a start.
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Re: Who is a prophet?
« Reply #243 on: May 16, 2016, 11:53:56 AM »
Talking about being led is good, and pratt with two t's is good,very good, you on here I lead I can say that we are now in the 1000 years of Christ reign and Satan is bound and no christian can say sorry TW you are wrong,because we have no christians on here apart from me,{I refer to regular posters}, and tell me why I am wrong and you atheist are dead everywhere.

 So a good position to be in a sort of TRUMP position.

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Re: Who is a prophet?
« Reply #244 on: May 16, 2016, 12:05:10 PM »
Talking about being led is good, and pratt with two t's is good,very good, you on here I lead I can say that we are now in the 1000 years of Christ reign and Satan is bound and no christian can say sorry TW you are wrong,because we have no christians on here apart from me,{I refer to regular posters}, and tell me why I am wrong and you atheist are dead everywhere.

 So a good position to be in a sort of TRUMP position.

So, you are arrogant as hell, daft as a brush, believe obviously wrong arguments, have no reasoning or evidence, and won't even attempt to back up anything of what you say. You'd have thought a god would be able to find someone who was a little more convincing...

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Re: Who is a prophet?
« Reply #245 on: May 16, 2016, 12:09:32 PM »
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So, you are arrogant as hell, daft as a brush, believe obviously wrong arguments, have no reasoning or evidence, and won't even attempt to back up anything of what you say. You'd have thought a god would be able to find someone who was a little more convincing...

You would wouldn't you, but a "Satan" wouldn't.

Maybe T(roll)W is like one of those characters in a John le Carré spy novel who thinks he's been leaking secrets to a friendly government but it turns out unwittingly he's actually been passing them to the bad guys instead.
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Re: Who is a prophet?
« Reply #246 on: May 16, 2016, 12:20:05 PM »
No but you are a pratt.
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A pratt as in

Buttocks
http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/pratt

or

a type of truss consisting of both vertical and diagonal elements, the latter (except for those at either end) all slanting downward towards the centre of the truss.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/pratt

or slang, as in

A person that chatters or utters childishly or foolishly. British slang, derived from the word prattle.
http://onlineslangdictionary.com/meaning-definition-of/pratt

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Re: Who is a prophet?
« Reply #247 on: May 16, 2016, 12:21:11 PM »
You would wouldn't you, but a "Satan" wouldn't.

Well, I guess if he's Satan's attempt at making Christianity look utterly stupid and nasty to boot, he's actually doing really, really well.

Then again, maybe it's all made up and he's just very gullible...        :o  :)
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Re: Who is a prophet?
« Reply #248 on: May 16, 2016, 12:30:57 PM »
A pratt as in

Buttocks
http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/pratt

or

a type of truss consisting of both vertical and diagonal elements, the latter (except for those at either end) all slanting downward towards the centre of the truss.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/pratt

or slang, as in

A person that chatters or utters childishly or foolishly. British slang, derived from the word prattle.
http://onlineslangdictionary.com/meaning-definition-of/pratt

Toe you know I am right have a look in your room and find something that made itself. My TRUMP position.A stronghold that cannot be broken.

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Re: Who is a prophet?
« Reply #249 on: May 16, 2016, 12:32:57 PM »
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My TRUMP position

So that's where the hot air is coming from.
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