Who is a prophet?

[Khatru]

In the Kingdom of God no babies would be terminated.
You refer to the God of the Jews under a different covenant at a time when people were simply not civil or caring to one another.
You make up such silly statements as above and forget as many others do today that the Kingdom of God is not about the world.
Jesus said:-


King James Bible
And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.

Abortion and all the other subjects are matters for the world. They are not things of the Kingdom of God.
We simply would not get pregnant unless the baby wanted. We would not be so immature as to not take protection and have an unwanted pregnancy.

The Kingdom of God is about loving God and doing that which is right in the sight of God.
It is for Gods Children and we are not here to judge the world for what they do.
We love others regardless of what they are doing whilst we are living in the world and living as Gods people.

There is no us and them. The world and everything in it, belongs to God. So there is you and me but in my case there is God and I. 

You go one from one failure of argument to another subject and failure of argument.

We, that is you and I, will never think the same unless you come to know the God who made you.
I have a relationship with God which is probably more important than any relationship I have ever had in my life.
It connects me to all that is in my life and every person I have ever known.
Why would  God who loves me so much want me to treat others badly or think badly about them because they do
things I don't?

You live with whatever gets you through. But if you believe bad things about others without foundation do you really have anything that is real and good in your life?

Personally, every morning I have been thanking God for my healing, my family and all we have from him.
I see no reason to condemn or judge others for choosing how they want to live their lives.

In the Church of Gods people then we are responsible to support each other.
We cannot stop you believing what you do or stop you from tarring everyone with the same brush.

In reality, if you could have the same relationship with God, you would know the difference.

I get it. 

You're saying that your god was once a baby killer but everything is alright now because he's changed his mind.

Are you sure about all this?

Not only does your god kill babies but he even has instructions on how to carry out abortions written into the Bible.

Perhaps you should read Numbers 5:11-31

Abortion is approved by the god of the Bible

[Khatru]

I am unsure why TW or yourself introduced the Dr so I have looked up and found:-


This is a Professional man of science and a doctor too. Good qualifications and a life time member of Mensa.
So guys having dissed this man maybe anyone who joined in will now give their university qualifications including life time member of mensa details and tell us why they think they know better than him to be able  ridicule him?

ETA!!!!!

Don't see much science in that list at all.

Plenty of superstition and mumbo jumbo though!

[Sassy]

I get it. 

You're saying that your god was once a baby killer but everything is alright now because he's changed his mind.

Are you sure about all this?

Not only does your god kill babies but he even has instructions on how to carry out abortions written into the Bible.

Perhaps you should read Numbers 5:11-31

Abortion is approved by the god of the Bible

The above has nothing to do with what I wrote.

NEXT!

[Khatru]

The above has nothing to do with what I wrote.

NEXT!

Attagirl, Sass!

Just sweep the baby killing deeds of your god under the carpet.

[floo]

Attagirl, Sass!

Just sweep the baby killing deeds of your god under the carpet.

Everything god does is right, however wrong!

[Stranger]

He gave lectures on the television. You must have missed them.

And...?

I've seen an awful lot of drivel on television, haven't you?

[BeRational]

And...?

I've seen an awful lot of drivel on television, haven't you?

I have seen his 'lectures' and it makes you want to throw something at the screen!

I am no expert, but I understand evolution far better than he does, or certainly more than he demonstrates.

His lectures are intended for the clueless and gullible. Anyone who knows anything is shouting at the screen about his mistakes.

[jjohnjil]

Sassy

Please don't pollute the thread with all your posts again but would you like to estimate how many posters you've called ignorant ... and when you tell someone they 'really know' - in my book that's calling them a liar.

And have you ever once considered that it my be you whose mistaken and not every other poster?

   

[Shaker]

Sassy, like several others here, isn't the type to entertain the possibility that she may be mistaken.

I find such people, paradoxically, simultaneously radically uninteresting and faintly chilling.

[jjohnjil]

Sassy, like several others here, isn't the type to entertain the possibility that she may be mistaken.

I find such people, paradoxically, simultaneously radically uninteresting and faintly chilling.

I just wonder if they would rely on a 2000 year old medical book if they caught something nasty.

[Sassy]

And...?

I've seen an awful lot of drivel on television, haven't you?

More so from people on forums like yourself, who select what they deem drivel due to being uneducated in both the fields of religion and science.

It would be foolish to call anything this man says drivel without hearing his reasons and looking at his evidence.
Do you do this a lot? I examine both scientific evidence and Gods word..
 It isn't hard to see whether what I am looking at and hearing have any real basis when I ask the relevant questions.

[floo]

More so from people on forums like yourself, who select what they deem drivel due to being uneducated in both the fields of religion and science.

It would be foolish to call anything this man says drivel without hearing his reasons and looking at his evidence.
Do you do this a lot? I examine both scientific evidence and Gods word..
 It isn't hard to see whether what I am looking at and hearing have any real basis when I ask the relevant questions.

Sass your posts, which are often overlong and don't make much sense, don't give the impression you really understand what you are on about.

[Bubbles]

No never-----I think he is right not in everything he says but a good guide.Also I do not rely on him solely and I like to feel that I check all things as best as possible,so until you can find something in the room where you are sitting that made itself.I have all the evidence I need. 
~TW~

In my room I have a collection of rock samples all labelled.

The forces/elements/conditions on earth made those rocks.

I'm sat in my chair and exactly the same things acting on the rocks, created and acted on life and after billions of years here I am.

 

My latest addition is a lump of Bismuth, grown from crystals. ( wonderful looking stuff, formed by crystals.  Have a look, looks like someone made it that way on purpose)

Look at some of the beautiful patterns in natural granite

http://www.123rf.com/photo_19138267_granite-samples-collection.html?fromid=RFR6TmhrcG1yM1VacE5hVWJyaGxBdz09

Some of it looks like it was manufactured so regular is the pattern.

It seems unbelievable sometimes that it is purely natural.

All man does is polish it to bring out the natural beauty.

Life was formed from the same things that acted on those rocks, our unique intelligence gave us the polish, and here we are now pondering on how something as intricate as us could have evolved.

Look at the beauty of those rocks, think about what formed them.

We are like the polished granite.

This is my evidence.

 

Now it could be something put all this in place,  don't know, but it is beautiful anyway, without adding God.

[Stranger]

More so from people on forums like yourself, who select what they deem drivel due to being uneducated in both the fields of religion and science.

It would be foolish to call anything this man says drivel without hearing his reasons and looking at his evidence.

I'll direct you again to #229 and again challenge to go through the "argument" from "Dr" McMurtry and my response, in detail, and show me my mistakes and how "Dr" McMurtry is not being stupid, dishonest or both.

Again, I'll not hold my breath, because all you seem capable of of is ranting, bluster, and insult.

I examine both scientific evidence and Gods word..

While you are forever quoting from what you seem to think is "god's word", I have seen no evidence that you have ever considered science at all - or even know what it is, for that matter.

[trippymonkey]

Are some here actually bothered about the 'TRUTH' or just looking for something that coincides with what they already THINK is the truth ?

[bluehillside Retd.]

Sassy,

I examine both scientific...

Clearly not true. If you knew the first thing about science you would not for example make bizarre statements about only some planets having gravity.

...evidence and Gods word.

But we know that, despite countless times of being asked, you have no argument if any kind to demonstrate that it is "God's word" rather than just some words in a book.

Rather than respond with your usual abuse and irrelevance, why not now take the time to withdraw the planet/gravity nonsense and to explain how you'd break the circularity of "god is real because a book says so/the book is correct because a god made it so"?

[Sassy]

I'll direct you again to #229 and again challenge to go through the "argument" from "Dr" McMurtry and my response, in detail, and show me my mistakes and how "Dr" McMurtry is not being stupid, dishonest or both.

Again, I'll not hold my breath, because all you seem capable of of is ranting, bluster, and insult.

While you are forever quoting from what you seem to think is "god's word", I have seen no evidence that you have ever considered science at all - or even know what it is, for that matter.

You haven't challenged him yet.

Bring the arguments and the proof of the statement and accusation you make.
You have not done either yet. He has nothing to worry about because we both know if face to face you would die of embarrassment as he showed you have no information just your opinion.
He also uses the findings of other scientist and papers published by scientist in the magazines for scientist.

Guess how I know. I have noted the  published  articles with past thread discussions and posts.

Where do you believe TW thought up his little scrap to throw amongst you?

You are desperate and it shows... You cannot even produce an argument to prove him wrong.
WHY? Because you are frightened someone may have published something since showing you wrong.

Look no matter just back out now and no more said unless you really want to go down that road.
In which case we wait proof.

[Stranger]

You haven't challenged him yet.

[blah, blah, blah]

I'll take that as an admission that you can't see what is wrong with my post and how "Dr" McMurtry can be right. How and why should I challenge him? He's clearly a fool or dishonest.

You cannot even produce an argument to prove him wrong.

This is a blatant lie.

My detailed argument is in #229; try reading it. Even ~TW~ gave up on defending this numpty's argument.

[Sassy]

I'll take that as an admission that you can't see what is wrong with my post and how "Dr" McMurtry can be right. How and why should I challenge him? He's clearly a fool or dishonest.

This is a blatant lie.

My detailed argument is in #229; try reading it. Even ~TW~ gave up on defending this numpty's argument.

That post is to TW and has NO EVIDENCE OR EVEN ARGUMENTS USING SCIENCE ON YOUR BEHALF.

Sorry, I thought it would be blindingly obvious, even to you!

Let's look again at the piece I quoted:

If we were to conservatively say that a generation passed once every 25 years (and when was the last time a generation was 25 years long?), then in 100,000 years a total of 4,000 generations would occur. If the number of people on earth never exceeded 1,000,000 at any one time in the past, then in 100,000 years a total of 4,000,000,000 people would have lived, died and been buried somewhere on earth. This is an astronomical number.

When people are buried, whether or not their bodies are preserved, there are the artifacts left in the graves which identify them as human. Even if the body decomposes completely their jewelry, tools and vessels placed in the grave with them will survive.

Based upon evolutionary assumptions we should be able to dig straight down almost anywhere on earth and hit at least one grave from a prior generation. To date, however, even with all the money thrown into the search for them, we have only found about 300 'Neanderthal' skeletons. They have been found in caves from Spain to Syria to Israel.

Without even beginning to analyse how realistic, or otherwise, his assumptions are, we can see immediately that he can't translate them into numbers properly and then can't interpret his (faulty) calculations properly either.

First he says: "If the number of people on earth never exceeded 1,000,000". Then he concludes that "a total of 4,000,000,000 people would have lived, died and been buried somewhere on earth". What he's actually done is multiply his maximum population estimate with the number of generations - the figure is the number of people who would have lived if the population had remained static at exactly 1,000,000.

He then goes on to say what a big number this is - even though it is somewhat less than the current living population of the world (over 7,000,000,000). This might give you a clue as the how accurate his conclusion is. He says "Based upon evolutionary assumptions we should be able to dig straight down almost anywhere on earth and hit at least one grave from a prior generation". Really? Let's see. The land area of the Earth is about 500,000,000 km², that's 5x10¹⁴ m². Now, assuming everyone since the dawn of humanity was buried and a grave is about 2m² (using his assumptions) 4,000,000,000 graves would take up a staggering 0.0016% of said area.

As I said, this is without even questioning his own, rather bizarre, assumptions.

GIVE ALL THE EVIDENCE HE HAS USED AND THEN COUNTER ACT THAT EVIDENCE WITH YOUR OWN.
Until you can produce and show all evidence he has used then you cannot say he is wrong nor can you dismiss his arguments.
So go on get to it...

[Stranger]

That post is to TW and has NO EVIDENCE OR EVEN ARGUMENTS USING SCIENCE ON YOUR BEHALF.

It points out exactly where he has gone wrong.

GIVE ALL THE EVIDENCE HE HAS USED AND THEN COUNTER ACT THAT EVIDENCE WITH YOUR OWN.

That's exactly what I've done. If you think I've made a mistake, point it out.

Just yelling that I'm wrong, makes you look stupid.

[Sebastian Toe]

Just yelling that I'm wrong, makes you look stupid.

But that tactic is from the Sassy book of debating, paragraph 2 subsection 1. 
 

Just wait till you get a scriptural text, quoted in bold, thrown at you, then you will know that you are really, really, really wrong!