Author Topic: Free school bus travel for the children of religious parents.  (Read 3066 times)

ProfessorDavey

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Re: Free school bus travel for the children of religious parents.
« Reply #25 on: May 12, 2016, 12:59:10 PM »
Is this why so many Church schools take less able, disabled and special needs pupils
Just to completely nail Hope's lie.

Non faith schools
Proportion of pupils with SEN with a statement - 1.7%
Proportion of pupils with SEN without a statement - 18.9%
Total SEN with or without statement - 20.6%

Faith schools
Proportion of pupils with SEN with a statement - 1.2%
Proportion of pupils with SEN without a statement - 15.9%
Total SEN with or without statement - 17.1%

You also see big differences in measure of deprivation/poverty - with faith schools typically admitting more affluent and advantaged pupils compared to non faith schools who have greater proportions of poorer pupils and pupils on free school meals.
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Re: Free school bus travel for the children of religious parents.
« Reply #26 on: May 12, 2016, 02:13:26 PM »
Just to completely nail Hope's lie.

Non faith schools
Proportion of pupils with SEN with a statement - 1.7%
Proportion of pupils with SEN without a statement - 18.9%
Total SEN with or without statement - 20.6%

Faith schools
Proportion of pupils with SEN with a statement - 1.2%
Proportion of pupils with SEN without a statement - 15.9%
Total SEN with or without statement - 17.1%

You also see big differences in measure of deprivation/poverty - with faith schools typically admitting more affluent and advantaged pupils compared to non faith schools who have greater proportions of poorer pupils and pupils on free school meals.


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Re: Free school bus travel for the children of religious parents.
« Reply #27 on: May 12, 2016, 04:01:47 PM »
You also see big differences in measure of deprivation/poverty - with faith schools typically admitting more affluent and advantaged pupils compared to non faith schools who have greater proportions of poorer pupils and pupils on free school meals.
Always like to provide the data.

So on free school meals, in this instance looking at non faith vs CofE primary schools:
Non faith schools - 17.4%
CofE - 10.0%

A huge difference and you get the same effect with faith schools of all other denominations/faiths (e.g. RCC, Jewish, Methodist, Sikh) except muslim - but there are only a handful of muslim schools in the country so the data aren't really meaningful.

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Re: Free school bus travel for the children of religious parents.
« Reply #28 on: May 12, 2016, 05:16:29 PM »
So why did the two major religious bodies suggest that the proposal was bad thinking?  Why don't the NSS ask religious bodies (and note that this might only apply to the Church of England as it is the only 'officially sanctioned' religious body in England) to have a debate on the issues?
Is this why so many Church schools take less able, disabled and special needs pupils and are often to be found in the most rundown parts of the country?
The Church has been challenging more of them to come forward and partner with the Church, but where are they?

You're always getting the wrong end of the stick these days Hope and if you're not doing that you're into the negative fallacy territory, looks like there's something going wrong at your end, any chance of converting from the airy fairy to the sensible non-religious standpoint?   

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Re: Free school bus travel for the children of religious parents.
« Reply #29 on: May 12, 2016, 05:28:19 PM »
So why did the two major religious bodies suggest that the proposal was bad thinking?
They may have made an assessment that fighting for special privileges isn't good PR but that isn't the case everywhere.

Where I live the county council proposed to abolish the discriminatory special transport perk for religious kids (or rather kids of religious parents) going to faith schools. Not only did the churches oppose the plans but they mounted a very well organised concerted campaign to try to stop the proposals. The most astonishing aspect being the bus-ing of kids to county hall to protest during school hours, effectively pulling the kids out of school and organising them to go on a political protest - astonishing antics.

Fortunately the council wasn't prepared to be bullied by highly organised vested interests and they removed the perk, at a stroke saving the council millions in additional transport funding and getting rid of discriminatory practice.