What/Who is a Christian

[Étienne d'Angleterre]

Nothing to do with this thread or me.Have you posted the question yet on the Isaiah thread.

 ~TW~

Any chance of a reply to #42? Or have you gone away to seek forgiveness.

[floo]

Any chance of a reply to #42? Or have you gone away to seek forgiveness.

You think his god, Satan, is a bit cross with TW? LOL!

[~TW~]

so no questions on the scriptures ----Good
~TW~

[Brownie]

You think his god, Satan, is a bit cross with TW? LOL!

I think that is a bit strong floo.

[~TW~]

I think that is a bit strong floo.

 Brownie some folks have suggested you are a Christian,so can you direct me to a post in the last fortnight on here where you have followed the great commission to inform some one of their needs of salvation. Thanks.
~TW~

[Brownie]

I have no gift for evangelism TW but I have given testimony before now and shared my conversion experience.  Not in the last fortnight though. I've also spoken and prayed privately with one or two people. I can't help feeling you've got it in for me, there are other Christians on this forum apart from you, me and Sassy so focus on someone else for a change please.  No doubt you think I'm not a proper Christian which is fine by me, you can ignore me and I may learn to ignore you.

At times like this an 'ignore' button would be useful.  I remember years ago I posted on a forum that had an 'ignore' facility;  I was banned more than once but on one occasion it was because I had the mods on 'ignore'. I spoilt it for others  because the 'ignore' button was removed. That is all apropos of nothing, just thought I'd share.

[Étienne d'Angleterre]

so no questions on the scriptures ----Good
~TW~

Evasion noted.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Brownie,

I think that is a bit strong floo.

Why? As I understand it, christians think "God" to have the characteristics generally thought to be good, while "Satan" gets the bad ones. Now consider T(roll)W's eructations here: abusive, judgmental, dishonest, threatening, indifferent to even the simplest reasoning, arrogant, you name it. If it's a binary choice, floo seems to me to have picked the right one.

[Brownie]

I speak as I find, that was my opinion bluehillside. 

[~TW~]

Brownie,

Why? As I understand it, christians think "God" to have the characteristics generally thought to be good, while "Satan" gets the bad ones. Now consider T(roll)W's eructations here: abusive, judgmental, dishonest, threatening, indifferent to even the simplest reasoning, arrogant, you name it. If it's a binary choice, floo seems to me to have picked the right one.

Yes but brownie disagrees with you.So a matter of opinion dear boy.
~TW~

[bluehillside Retd.]

Brownie,

I speak as I find, that was my opinion bluehillside.

Which is your perfect right of course, but aren't you interested in having it examined - either to reinforce sticking with it, or to persuade you to change your mind? T(roll)W's tool kit consists entirely of behaviours that are closer to those we're told fit "Satan" better than they fit "God" - at least in Christian iconography.

Assuming a binary choice (which I'll grant you is not a given), why then was floo wrong?

[Brownie]

I didn't say she was 'wrong' in the sense of 'morally wrong', just that I felt it was a tad harsh.  Floo knows me of old and won't take offence, nor even any notice probably.

By all means examine away but TW is being sarky above and I am trying to ignore him so may we examine it in private?  Or just leave it.

[floo]

I think that is a bit strong floo.

Considering his posts directed at me I thought it was a fairly mild comment, LOL!

[Sassy]

I think TW, likes to go beyond the teachings of Christ at times. Making himself judge and juror.

We see Christ tell us that he is the way, the truth and the life.
In Acts 10:35-45 we see Peter preach the good news about Jesus Christ and those who believe receive the Holy Spirit.
The resurrection spoken about by TW applies to those who confess Christ and die rather than worship the Beast.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

When Peter spoke of Christ being the truth and the life, he never mentioned any resurrection but that of Christ.
He like the Disciples knew that Christ sent the Holy Spirit to teach us and lead us into all truth. Even tell us of the things to come.

John 4:22-24 tells us true worshippers are born of the Spirit and Truth.
Believing the truth about Jesus Christ causes believers to be baptised in the Holy Spirit.
God putting his truth within mankind in his last covenant of Jeremiah 31:31-34.


A believer cannot tell another if they are saved or not. The wheat and tares grow together till Christ comes.
We believe Jesus is the Son of God and we are saved through what he did. No man has the right to pronounce Judgment over his fellow man. Because anyone who confesses Christ is Lord is cannot say this unless by the power of the Holy Ghost.



King James Bible
Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

I believe sometimes people get ahead of themselves and use methods and beliefs not preached to judge others.
King James Bible
Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God:

How can Christ not confess anyone whom confesses him to be the Son of God?

Truth is God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth on him should not perish but have eternal life.

It is sad that people chop and change to make what they want to believe fit in without proper reverance for the words spoken by Gods Son, which incidentally  came from God.

God is love he is a God of truth.

[Brownie]

Thanks Sassy, I found that helpful.

[floo]

I think TW, likes to go beyond the teachings of Christ at times. Making himself judge and juror.

We see Christ tell us that he is the way, the truth and the life.
In Acts 10:35-45 we see Peter preach the good news about Jesus Christ and those who believe receive the Holy Spirit.
The resurrection spoken about by TW applies to those who confess Christ and die rather than worship the Beast.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

When Peter spoke of Christ being the truth and the life, he never mentioned any resurrection but that of Christ.
He like the Disciples knew that Christ sent the Holy Spirit to teach us and lead us into all truth. Even tell us of the things to come.

John 4:22-24 tells us true worshippers are born of the Spirit and Truth.
Believing the truth about Jesus Christ causes believers to be baptised in the Holy Spirit.
God putting his truth within mankind in his last covenant of Jeremiah 31:31-34.


A believer cannot tell another if they are saved or not. The wheat and tares grow together till Christ comes.
We believe Jesus is the Son of God and we are saved through what he did. No man has the right to pronounce Judgment over his fellow man. Because anyone who confesses Christ is Lord is cannot say this unless by the power of the Holy Ghost.



King James Bible
Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

I believe sometimes people get ahead of themselves and use methods and beliefs not preached to judge others.
King James Bible
Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God:

How can Christ not confess anyone whom confesses him to be the Son of God?

Truth is God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth on him should not perish but have eternal life.

It is sad that people chop and change to make what they want to believe fit in without proper reverance for the words spoken by Gods Son, which incidentally  came from God.

God is love he is a God of truth.

Yeh right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ippy]

I've always thought of  religion as something taken up by a bunch of witless nuts, not all, but the really nutty regions of faith are very well represented here on this thread, what a load of drivel.

Well I'm off now I'm meeting up with Elvis a bit later.

ippy.

[Brownie]

A-huh-huh.

[floo]

One thing for which I am extremely grateful is that whilst we might go at it hammer and tongs on a forum such as this, in everyday life religion isn't in your face here in the UK, as would appear to be the case in the US.  Religion hasn't done that country any favours at all over the years.

[Brownie]

You are right there, though I think there pockets of it.  There are plenty of places where the attitude is much the same as here.  The USA is so vast, there are bound to be communities unlike here.

My son goes all over the States for work and has very strong opinions about it all but one thing that did surprise me is that there are Catholic communities that are quite evangelical like in the Bible-belts.  Certainly nothing like over here.   We also don't care or don't want to know about religious beliefs of our politicians but it is all very important in America.  Poor Obama even had to justify himself before he was elected, I remember he fell out with the minister at the church he had been a member of but went to another one.  He wrote about his beliefs (liberal of course), in 'The Audacity of Hope'. Some of the Bible belters were calling him a Muslim, how stupid.  Trump even said he wasn't an American!

Apparently there is a big Bible belt in Australia too.

We are relatively indifferent here, as long as no-one is extreme they're Ok.

[Rhiannon]

The Australian Anglicans have been very instrumental in the anti-gay movement within the Communion.

[Brownie]

I heard something about that Rhiannon, quite a while ago.  How backward can you get.  Mind you, many of the African Anglican Churches are even worse (not South Africa I understand).

[Rhiannon]

When I was active in Anglicanism Peter Jensen was Bishop of Sydney. What a charmer.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Jensen_(bishop)

[Brownie]

I'd never heard of him before.  He certainly is very conservative in his views but he's retired now and quite elderly.  I'm more concerned about younger ministers who take such a hard line. 

[Rhiannon]

They learned at his knee, Brownie.